See where these Hillary SoS rumors are heading

[ProSense]

Obama camp hints at cabinet post for Clinton

By Edward Luce in Washington

Published: November 15 2008 02:00 | Last updated: November 15 2008 02:00

Hillary Clinton watchers interpreted the former first lady's vigorous campaigning on behalf of Barack Obama as a smart insurance policy: were Mr Obama to have lost the election she would have been well positioned to run again in 2012. But sometimes insurance policies pay out in unexpected ways.

Democratic officials confirmed yesterday that Mrs Clinton flew to Chicago on Thursday at Mr Obama's request to discuss an unspecified role in the Obama administration - probably as secretary of state, but Pentagon chief was also cited as a possibility.

Given the lingering resentment among some of Mrs Clinton's staff at what was seen as her mistreatment by Mr Obama when he was drawing up his short list of candidates for vice-president, many were still sceptical yesterday.

But they pointed out that, in contrast to rumours surrounding John Kerry, the former presidential candidate whose name has also been floated as a possible secretary of state, the Clinton leaks were coming from figures close to the president-elect.

"I would be shocked if Obama did not offer Hillary something after putting this possibility out there in the public realm," said a senior staff member for Mrs Clinton. "It would be like a deliberate kick in the teeth. I can't see what he would gain from doing that."

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No confirmation, but somehow Obama is now in a box?

On edit: The media has gone from reporting that Hillary was offered the job as SoS to now reporting that she discussed an "unspecified role - probably as secretary of state, but Pentagon chief was also cited as a possibility."

[JVS]

1. Ah, the HRC as VP movement. What memories.

[Cosmic Charlie]

18. the game's the same just on another level

VP, SOS, SOD, just so long as they get to force Obama's hand

[AtomicKitten]

2. Well, it didn't work when they tried to force his hand on his VP choice.

[wisteria]

60. And, I hope it doesn't happen this time. n/t

[fed_up_mother]

3. Personally, I think it's a done deal

Otherwise, there would have been denials before now for this very reason. It would have been easy for someone from his campaign to say that Senator Clinton is being vetted along with other candidates, but so far...nada.

[ProSense]

5. "Otherwise, there would have been denials "

Yeah, Obama is going to allow media-driven rumors to force his hand.

[fed_up_mother]

7. I don't think he wants to anger the HIllary supporters

If it wasn't true, he'd have denied it by now.

But...that's just my take.

We'll see.

[joshcryer]

9. He's the one allowing the rumors to get out.

Just so we're all on the same page. :hi:

[Lyric]

20. You seem to be implying exactly that in your OP.

That the media is trying to "box him in." If his hand can't be forced (as I believe, too) then why the worry about what the media thinks of his choice? Why all of this concern? Whatever decision he makes is going to be one that he made of his own free will--as you said, nobody is going to "force his hand."

Maybe DU should just accept that Obama doesn't make decisions based on what WE want, but rather on what HE thinks is best for the nation. I know we are all worried about the future, but he's a hell of a lot smarter (and more informed) than we are. I never fully "trust" any politician, but I also don't think it's wise to start ripping his decisions to shreds before we've even seen what the effects will be.

I'm rather looking forward to seeing what the next four years will bring. :)

Edit: And hopefully four MORE years after that!

[ProSense]

22. I'm implying?

"I would be shocked if Obama did not offer Hillary something after putting this possibility out there in the public realm," said a senior staff member for Mrs Clinton. "It would be like a deliberate kick in the teeth. I can't see what he would gain from doing that."

[joshcryer]

23. "Obama is now in a box."

What utter bullshit. The rumors didn't take traction until after the meeting, in which several people affiliated with the transition team confirmed that indeed it was a top cabinet position that was being discussed.

Obama didn't meet with Hillary to say hi.

[ProSense]

25. Silly,

did you see the comment in the article and the question mark after my statement?

The rumor was that she was offered the job. It was clearly false, or at the very least impossible to confirm.

[joshcryer]

27. It will be confirmed in due time, actually.

And given that the leaks came from the Obama camp, it would look like your innuendo is falsely misplaced.

[ProSense]

29. Actually, they are still unsourced rumors, nothing more. n/t

[joshcryer]

30. You said impossible to confirm, but we know that isn't true.

As we'll have a SoS in quite a short time from now.

[ProSense]

33. Have it been confirmed that Obama offered Hillary a job at State? NO?

Alright them. Right now, this moment as the rumors fly, they are impossible to confirm.

[joshcryer]

35. Yes it has, simply ask Google News.

Please don't ignore the sources, thanks.

[ProSense]

38. No it hasn't

Obama met with Hillary Clinton on Thursday at his headquarters in Chicago, and some Democrats were enthusiastic amid speculation the pair discussed the job of secretary of state. She declined Friday to say anything about the matter, and Obama is understood to be considering other candidates as his top diplomat, including Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., Democratic Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico and retiring Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.

link

Speculation by unnamed sources is not the same as confirmation by Obama, not even close.

[joshcryer]

41. We'll see then, won't we?

You are quite delusional though if you cannot accept that he met with her over the SoS position. It doesn't even mean he chose her, that they only met, geez.

[ProSense]

51. "We'll see then, won't we?" You said it was confirmed.

I think you are the delusional one. Your argument is all over the place.

[joshcryer]

52. The meeting about SoS was confirmed by a source, most certainly.

[Firespirit]

40. And a few Georgia hicks have Bigfoot in their freezer.

The media have never, ever gotten a story wrong.

The fact that Obama met with Richardson proves that he did not make an offer to Clinton for a post. He asked her if she would be interested in being vetted for something. This came out yesterday evening. You're behind the times.

[joshcryer]

They were right about Biden, and given how things have been going lately, I'd say that...

...Richardson and Clinton are absolutely 100% top contenders and after the fact they will both say they were in fact considered for the job.

[Firespirit]

45. Not going to say "he offered her the post" anymore, are you?

Sorry, but I really doubt that Hillary will give you a pat on the back, or anything else, though you've certainly worked hard for it this year. :eyes:

[ProSense]

46. Maybe it was all the Secret Service and media in front of his house.

They also tried to claim he was going to select Hillary as his VP.

[joshcryer]

53. No they didn't. Hillary was off somewhere else and hardly anyone was watching her.

The rumor had been put out nights before.

[Firespirit]

37. I would say, in fact, it's all but proven that he did NOT.

The leaks stating that "Obama advisers" thought Richardson was a "flake" and Kerry was a "lightweight" are, erm, rather proven false, as is the rumor that Obama offered Clinton a spot, by the simple fact that Obama visited Richardson on Friday as well to discuss the State post. That visit itself indicates where much of the Hillary-pimping is coming from: Hillary partisans who happen to work for Obama right now.

[joshcryer]

39. If he did not a denial would be in order, otherwise ProSenses' fear of him being in a box...

...would be quite founded, no?

The reality is that he did in fact meet with her over the position. This is pretty indisputable at this point.

[ProSense]

42. Who said he was in a box?

Do you understand what you read?

Only the RW and idiots consider non-denial as confirmation.

[joshcryer]

44. The only person in denial is the person who can't accept a widely reported story as truth.

But would rather believe the hyperbole that somehow the Clintons are behind some sort of conspiracy trying to box Obama into picking her for such a position.

[ProSense]

48. Other than he met with Hillary, what are the facts?

Did he offer her the job as was reported?

[joshcryer]

50. The facts are a person affiliated with the transition team said that it was with regards to SoS.

Why be in denial over that report? Why post so much crap about how the media is trying to make Obama do something he might not want to do?

[ProSense]

55. No one on the transition team confirmed or denied any of the rumors. Period. n/t

[joshcryer]

57. Leaks never come from the top.

And I never said as such.

[Firespirit]

43. You've obviously never worked in politics before

You don't make absolute statements.

He met with her over something and asked her if she would be interested in being vetted for something. Already, in the space of 24 hours, the story has gone from "Obama thinks Richardson is a flake and offered Hillary Secretary of State!" to "Obama met with Hillary to gauge her interest in a position that may be State but may be something else, oh and he met with Richardson too." That is a fact. You believe what you choose to believe because you are a Hillary partisan, but the story is not what her handlers claimed it was yesterday.

[joshcryer]

47. No, that's not it, the source affiliated with the transition team stated explicitly it was SoS.

It may have included other positions (particularly if Hillary did not want SoS) but this is undeniable.

[Firespirit]

54. My God, this is ignorant.

Obama himself specifically instructed his people not to give up confidential information to the media. When the team consisted strictly of Obama's own people, this did not happen. Obama's top people aren't talking to the media. The "source affiliated with the transition team" is a Clintonite who has an agenda to push. This really is not that hard. They were documented to have exaggerated and lied about (1) the substance of the meeting, (2) Obama's opinion of the other contenders (who happen to be Clinton opponents now), and (3) whether the meeting was for ONE post or a variety of posts. This is proven. Why would you believe anything that proven liars say, unless you WANT to?

[joshcryer]

56. Here:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j5E3DeQixcDeV65wYtsEMWibVQ1w

You have *no evidence* that the source "is a Clintonite."

[Whisp]

84. Obama camp does not leak. Only when some clinton staffers came on board.

coincidence? maybe.

[Lyric]

28. I meant this part.

No confirmation, but somehow Obama is now in a box?

Obviously, if the media can't "force his hand" about denying the leak, then it stands to reason that they also are not "forcing his hand" about the pick in the first place.

Frankly, he doesn't strike me as the kind of man who can be bullied or manipulated by the media, or anyone else.
I don't see what the worry is. He'll pick who he picks, and we'll see how it goes.

[joshcryer]

31. dupe

dupe

[joshcryer]

Obama has already confirmed the meeting with Hillary was about the SoS position.

So I guess the media made him meet with her over it?

[ProSense]

34. No he hasn't. n/t

[jesus_of_suburbia]

6. For the life of me I don't understand why Hillary would even WANT that job, but whatever.

[Vattel]

15. I've seen this sort of remark a lot around here,

and I wish someone would explain why the job would be undesirable to her. The MSM has been saying the opposite, and supporting their conclusion by pointing out that (1) she's only a junior senator, (2) the SOS is an extremely influential and high-profile position, and (3) adding SOS to her resume would help her if she runs for president in 2016. What is the argument on the other side?

[Renew Deal]

81. Because being a Senator is a pretty amazing job.

And you're pretty much your own boss. SoS reports to the president. Also, traditionally policially it has been sort of a dead end.

[MoonRiver]

16. She's imminently qualified, and if she wants it she should have it, IMHO.

[Renew Deal]

79. I agree

I don't know why she would want it unless she wants to be out of government in 4-8 years. If that's her goal, then why not. I think she would be a good fit. I never dreamed that she would do it.

[TexasObserver]

62. I agree. Hillary had a look on her face that said "I got what I wanted."

I think she's a good choice.

There are other choices that would have been good, too, but I like her for SofS.

[RaleighNCDUer]

4. Where do they come up with this crap?

"...Pentagon chief was also cited as a possibility."

Hillary as SecDef? Whoever told the writer that has a wicked sense of humor.

[joshcryer]

11. The OP is not known to post reliable sources. Blogs and obscure writers tend to be their choice.

If you were to ask ABC or the Washington Post you'd know that the leaks are from people affiliated with the Obama camp.

But then, even this "source" makes that connection.

[ProSense]

12. You're so full of shit.

They're bullshit rumors, and they're being pushed by every Clinton shill.

[joshcryer]

13. One a blog, one an op ed. Thanks for proving my point!

Everyone please follow ProSenses' links, then do a google news search on the *source* of these leaks.

[ProSense]

14. The NYT is a blog?

What about George Stephanopoulos? Obscure.

You're in denial.

[joshcryer]

17. The NYT link is an op ed.

You're delusional. Absolutely delusional.

[ProSense]

19. "The OP is not known to post reliable sources. "

You're full of shit. The NYT piece is not an op-ed.

[joshcryer]

21. You post decisive innuendo that isn't supported by the facts.

Until you can disprove the connection between the Obama camp and the rumors (the one cited by WaPo and ABC News) your vile postings are completely absurd and irrelevant.

Your own link right here and now is in fact taken wholesale from a blog posting, hardly any facts, just speculation.

[ProSense]

24. You said the NYT piece was an op-ed. You were wrong.

your vile postings are completely absurd and irrelevant

Idiotic, especially since you seen to be obssessed enough to make BS claims to support your ludicrous assertions.

[joshcryer]

26. BS

[joshcryer]

8. The leaks are coming from his side, not some sort of conspiratorial "Clinton ploy."

The point being that the meeting with Obama was a serious discussion on a significant cabinet position.

I know this bothers many here, but it's looking more and more likely. :)

[ProSense]

10. BS. n/t

[wisteria]

59. Sorry, but Obama hasn't allowed leaks at all and I doubt he would start now.

The sources are more than likely not close Obama people but people far down on the rung, that have connections to someone, who has connects to someone else. And, the sources are all Clinton people. This is Clinton manipulation pure and simple to back Obama into a corner or perhaps to vindictively get back at those who did not support her for President. Frankly, if this is the type of woman she is we should all be grateful that she did not become president.

[Metric System]

74. Holy crap some of you are absolutely nuts. WTF? I'm still confused as to how Hillary can force Obama

to make her SOS. In fact, trying to force his hand would ensure that he would never pick her for a cabinet position. And in case you didn't notice, there's isn't exactly a groundswell of support among us Hillary supporters for her to be in his administration, anyway. Most of us think she is better off in the Senate.

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[CK_John]

36. IMO, it's all about what to do with Bill, her replacement in the Senate or maybe UN Amb. n/t

[wisteria]

49. This seems like nothing more than Clinton media manipulation.

Frankly, if she is directly responsible for this circus, I hope all she gets is a kick in the teeth. It escapes me why she is entitled to anything at all and this game of hers seems to be her way of trying to say she and Bill are still powerful and important.

[joshcryer]

58. Yes, the Clintons really control the media alright!

What a bunch of histarical bullshit.

[wisteria]

61. They know how to manipulate it and they do have connections. n/t

[Neshanic]

63. So after everything President Obama can be put in a situation? You must be kidding.

If he said no, big deal.

[Metric System]

64. ANOTHER thread on this topic? You're more interested in this story than most Hillary supporters.

Also, if Obama's hand is being forced, as you suggest, you'd think his team would be hitting back at the "bitch" by now.

[ProSense]

65. "you'd think his team would be hitting back at the "bitch" by now. " Fucking read the article.

"I would be shocked if Obama did not offer Hillary something after putting this possibility out there in the public realm," said a senior staff member for Mrs Clinton. "It would be like a deliberate kick in the teeth. I can't see what he would gain from doing that."

That was the reference the question pertains to. Clue: The quote is not mine.


As for your comment overall:

:nopity:



Stop whining.


:rofl:

[Metric System]

66. You are tiresome.

[ProSense]

67. You're whiny. n/t

[Metric System]

69. Ah, you noticed.

[PresidentObama]

68. Don't bother with ProSense, just another anti-Clinton post n/t

[ProSense]

70. Be sure that you follow up the whining with actually reading the article.

Or was the only purpose you stopped in was to register this whiny assed comment?

[PresidentObama]

71. Yawn, don't you get tired of your Clinton trash fests n/t

[ProSense]

72. Here

But nominating Clinton would come with substantial risks for Obama, adding a potential degree of tension to an inner circle that has prided itself on cohesiveness. Nor would Clinton, who voted to authorize the war in Iraq, be an obvious choice to convey the message of change that has defined Obama.

In addition to her initial differences with Obama on Iraq, Clinton also faced sharp criticism during the primaries when she said she had endured sniper fire in Bosnia, despite television footage showing otherwise. Some Obama supporters also questioned her foreign policy experience, arguing that it has largely been based on her travels as a presidential spouse rather than being rooted in diplomacy.

Perhaps the most pressing question is whether Clinton would pass the rigorous Obama vetting process, which would include a thorough examination of her husband Bill Clinton's private business since leaving office. Obama aides had said during the primaries that Hillary Clinton was not seriously considered for vice president in part because of the work of the former president, who has made millions giving speeches to foreign entities and companies, including some in China and Saudi Arabia, since 2001 and would be required to fully disclose his private work and to name the donors to his presidential library and global charity. His decision to serve on the board of the Yucaipa Cos., a California private equity firm run by billionaire Ronald W. Burkle, his friend, raised eyebrows, as did questions about whether he played a role in helping a Canadian financier land a uranium contract in Kazakhstan.

<...>

The Rev. Al Sharpton, who supported Obama during the Democratic primaries, said it would be a "dream team on the global scene" and would "just on its face change foreign policy."

But Sharpton acknowledged that some African Americans would not support the choice. "The downside is a lot of people are still upset with the Clintons about their behavior during the primary. A lot of people are saying, 'Don't reward them.' " But he added that "clearly, Hillary Clinton has credentials. Barack Obama says he loves the book 'Team of Rivals,' so maybe he's trying to put together a Cabinet like Abe Lincoln."

link

Enjoy.

[Metric System]

76. Don't you trust Obama's judgment? Why not let him decide who he wants to pick, whether or not that

includes Hillary? Again, I am confused as to how a "Clintonite" leaking this "fake" story will back Obama into a corner and "force his hand." Obama's the leader of the party. He's in charge and he makes the decisions. It seems to me that if this is some grand Clinton ploy (freeptastic!) all it would do is ensure that Obama DOESN'T pick her for a cabinet position.

[ProSense]

77. This has nothing to do with Obama's judgment. This is about the BS leaks

and the assholes pushing them.

[Metric System]

78. Again, if the leaks are from a "Clintonite" how does that help Hillary's cause?

[ProSense]

80. How do the leaks help Obama? n/t

[Metric System]

83. How are they hurting him? And if the Obama camp is upset why aren't they hitting back?

[Renew Deal]

82. Prosense is a firewalker.

[Metric System]

85. Hillaryous! But, I've made no secret of the fact that I joined that other site during the primaries.

The convention changed everything for me. Hillary snapped me out of it. Now how's that for full disclosure?

[hulka38]

73. It's not as if she was the only he asked to come to Chicago to meet with him.

The rumors are being pumped more out of one side than the other it seems.

[wisteria]

75. Exactly. n/t

[Beacool]

86. Oh, geez...................

Still with this topic??????

Like a dog with a bone, for crying outloud.

Maybe he offered her the position, maybe he didn't. So, what?

Not all Hillary supporters are salivating at the thought of seeing her in Obama's cabinet. Personally, I hope that she's not in his cabinet. She'll be more independent in the senate than being at his beck and call, but it's her decision to accept it if it's offered.

:shrug: