Hillary supporters: Please try to rise above it.

Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:06 AM
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Hillary supporters: Please try to rise above it.

You have an opportunity to show the class many of Hillary's detractors have lacked.

That is all. :)

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AspenRose

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:07 AM
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1. Hi Forkboy

Loving that Godzilla as usual :hi:

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:11 AM
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9. Well, you're only human.

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wyldwolf

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:08 AM
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2. a K&R for the forkster

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Deja Q

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:08 AM
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3. On DU?

:spray:

Good luck.

(As a presidential candidate, I could not support her. As SoS, I did - you might find, going back a bit, I had mentioned she would be better suited in foreign policy and she is an ideal choice. So I'm not as much a "detractor" as some of the others that just like to hate outright. Thank God.)

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vanderBeth

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:09 AM
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4. Bon Chance

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LostinVA

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:09 AM
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5. Rise above what?

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:10 AM
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7. The urge to serve crow.

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LostinVA

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:11 AM
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11. Too bad -- the small group of divisive posters has been too much later

And, it has nothing to do with "HIllary Supporters" anymore -- except to them. And, I guess you.

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:13 AM
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Have fun storming the castle.

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:10 AM
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6. K&R and a shout out to this comment on another thread...

Demonstrating class and dignity...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7940899&mesg_id=7940919

:patriot:

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:12 AM
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12. That's Marrah for you. A class act through and through.

:thumbsup:

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Marrah_G

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:29 AM
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27. Aww thanks

:blush:

No seriously...I'm at work blushing! My asst is going to think I am nuts !

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:31 AM
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31. Sorry...tell your asst it's just too damn hot there.

;)

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Marrah_G

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:35 AM
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34. !

:blush:

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NYC_SKP

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:35 AM
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35. Your comment jumped out at me....

....and made me smile.

And I was beginning to get sad reading a few comments.

Your very heartwarming comment made those others shrink and fall away from my attention.

I felt compelled to mention it here.

You rock! :yourock:

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Marrah_G

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:44 AM
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42. Thanks NYC.

I really just want a respectful DU. One where people can feel like part of a community free of bullies and misbehaving children.

We don't always have to agree but Fork is right on when he says we need to rise above it.

We ALL need to rise above it and turn our backs on those negative drama seeking influences.

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:50 AM
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49. Marrah is a class act person. Always has been.\nt

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Zombie2

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:11 AM
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8. Their threads ARE starting to look pretty gross....

:puke:

Talk about "haters"... yesh! What a shame.

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vanderBeth

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:13 AM
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13. I'm think about taking a break from DU until Clinton isn't the subject of most threads

Edited on Mon Dec-01-08 11:13 AM by vanderRock

Posts from both sides are nauseating.

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SaveOurDemocracy

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Mon Dec-01-08 07:04 PM
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74. LOLLLLLLLLL .... uhhhhhh ........ alrighty then!

First, heal thyself.

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ecstatic

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:11 AM
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10. Agreed. Some of their posts have not been classy

Many people are at peace with the decision, and there is no need for the gloating threads.

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Lady-Damai

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:13 AM
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14. They didn't do it during the primaries. Why now? n/t

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:25 AM
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19. because they now have what many of them wanted. Hillary as SoS.

Do you want them to change, or just to keep it going like you're doing here?

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Marrah_G

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:36 AM
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36. You don't want to go there- really you don't.

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BeyondGeography

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:16 AM
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15. Yeah, try not to get all durrrrrrrty and shit

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JackBeck

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:16 AM
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16. Great post.

The irony, of course, is lost on a few. Go figure.

:thumbsup:

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:24 AM
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17. DU struggles with both irony and satire.

I expected it. :)

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ecstatic

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:27 AM
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24. well irony and satire fail when the topic is true

:shrug:

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:25 AM
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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:25 AM
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21. Stay classy!

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Catherine Vincent

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:25 AM
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20. Why didn't you ask the Hill-haters to show some class?

Is it because you secretly enjoyed how they behaved?

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:26 AM
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22. Stay classy!

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Beausoir

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:27 AM
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23. Ding! There's the winner!

The irony of this OP really IS astonishing.

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:28 AM
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26. Stay classy!

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FormerDittoHead

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:53 AM
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52. Hillary bashers get WEEKS AND WEEKS, but her supporters are supposed to "cool it" in 1 HOUR? N/T

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 12:12 PM
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57. Let me explain why I posted this now and not earlier, and not to other groups.

Until today I felt both sides were fair game for each other, and I didn't mind the back and forth between the two groups for the most part. However, as of today there is simply no need to keep the division going, and it helps ALL of us Dems to put this behind us now and move on.

Hope that helps. :)

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karynnj

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Mon Dec-01-08 02:07 PM
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72. Not exactly

The Hillary bashing tended to start when the Hillary supporters started with the almost Republican like - "Get over it!" rhetoric (which was annoying in 2006 and 2007 when ANY other candidate for President was spoken of). Note - this is not HRC, but some of the HRC supporters.

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Marrah_G

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:38 AM
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39. Because he understands that those doing it are lost causes.

They are provocateurs and he is asking us not to take the bait. Not to play the game.

I agree with him.

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niceypoo

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Mon Dec-01-08 12:02 PM
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53. Fork used to be one of the worst ones

You've come a long way, baby.

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 12:09 PM
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56. Projection.

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 01:20 PM
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62. **A COMPARISON OF THREADS BY NICEYPOO AND I BETWEEN OCT 07 AND JUNE 08**

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sniffa

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Mon Dec-01-08 07:18 PM
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75. Thanks for those links

Those are some great memories and a reminder of why he got plonked.

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Pathwalker

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:28 AM
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25. Maybe you should talk to DU Ad-bot. He's spamming every thread!

;-)

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:29 AM
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29. There's no reaching ad-bot.

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Starry Messenger

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:29 AM
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28. Thank you for this excellent test of my ignore list!

:) Looks like it's holdin' up good. Thank you Forkboy.

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:30 AM
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30. Wasn't quite the intent.

The classy argument go both ways now. :)

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Starry Messenger

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:33 AM
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32. You are always a shining beacon.

I can only aspire, but the journey is the important part. Onwards and upwards.

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Marrah_G

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:34 AM
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33. Forkboy is right

We have to put this behind us.

The provocation has to stop.

It has become a vicious circle of anger.

I want the mods to stop the endless Hillary bashing (not criticism over issues)and use of RW talking points that has been running rampant by those trying to provoke her supporters. I have alerted and will continue to alert + ignore. But at the same time we need to try and not become what we hate so much.

I want this put to rest and I hope that someday soon we can have a more respectful DU community.

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:50 AM
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48. Thank you.

I know some think I'm saying this now because I liked it from the other side when they did it, but that person isn't one I expected to get it anyways. The reason I wrote this now is because this Hillary/Obama issue is officially over as of today. Anyone still griping over it, or rubbing faces in it, needs to just let it go. Obama and Hillary have. They can, too. :)

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Marrah_G

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Mon Dec-01-08 12:08 PM
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55. Since she is part of his cabinet now....

Edited on Mon Dec-01-08 12:08 PM by Marrah_G

I think they should start TSing those who continue with the RW talking points and gossip or those posting general nastiness about her or telling her admirers to get off the forums.

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 12:15 PM
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I don't really like seeing people get banned, but I have thought the same thing.

I'm not sure instituting a policy similar to what they did right after the primary ended would be a bad thing. Sadly, it's a fine line between hate and criticism sometimes. I'd prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, but some will certainly cross the line. They should go.

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WeDidIt

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:36 AM
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37. I was really donw on Hillary during the primaries, but I think she will be the BEST

SOS this country has ever had.

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Beacool

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:37 AM
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38. I for one am not bragging.

Edited on Mon Dec-01-08 11:38 AM by Beacool

I never wanted her in Obama's cabinet in the first place. In the senate she's independent and has her own power base. I'm not thrilled that she's taking a job where she will be serving at the pleasure of the president.

On the other hand, I had no doubt that she was Obama's chosen candidate for the job since the leaks started percolating.

Having said that, I support Hillary in any endeavor and if she wants the job, then I'm thrilled for her.

;-)

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:44 AM
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43. Thank you for that.

Being on the far left of the Dem party I would naturally prefer someone more in line with my own thinking, but Hillary is a strong leader and will work out fine. I don't see her and Obama having any problems at all.

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Beacool

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:50 AM
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50. I agree, I don't think that they will have a problem either.

Their supporters on the other hand........

:eyes:

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TahitiNut

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:39 AM
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40. We must always be alert to opportunities.

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bridgit

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:41 AM
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41. I've counseled balance for well over a year now; supported Dem principles and been prepared to...

expose media hype where that was all it was: media hype...eventually voting for Obama, now...mayn't it just be the case for Hillary supporters that after months of being shouted down & TS'd; forced to eat someone else's crow & shit that this *is* what 'rising above it' actually looks like?

My recommendation is to allow them access to their expression: be free!

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:45 AM
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44. I not telling them what they can and can't say, just asking.

They can decide what road they want to take from there.

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Marrah_G

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:49 AM
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47. Want to know what most of us want?

To be able to log in without seeing the candidate that we supported, the woman we admire, a good senator with an excellent liberal voting record, bashed by nasty posters using RW talking points multiple times a day. That makes us end up feeling as though we have to defend her...all the time.

It's not the trolls that initiate the posts that upset me (they will get bored eventually) as much as the long time DUers I have now put on ignore because they can't help but jump onto those threads with whitewater, snipergate and blue-dress comments.

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Mon Dec-01-08 12:17 PM
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59. I agree and will add to this

I am not a "Hillbot", I am not a huge Clinton fan or supporter at ALL. But the primaries and since have caused me to step up and DEFEND Hillary plenty of times. My dislike of the right-wing lies spread here and the name calling and comparing her to Stalin and Pol Pot and the sexist crap I've seen here on DU has caused me to step up and defend her... which gets me called a "Hillbot" and the like.

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Arkansas Granny

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Mon Dec-01-08 01:38 PM
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66. Good points, Marrah. And you are absolutely right about feeling the

need to defend Hillary on this board recently. Many of the remarks and posts made me feel quite unwelcome at times. I hope that the bashing of Hillary will now be treated the same way as the bashing of Obama was.

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atimetocome

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:47 AM
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45. good advice for all

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sufrommich

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:47 AM
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46. k&r for the hopeful retreat from the primary wars. nt

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 11:51 AM
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51. I hope so, though I realize new wars will take it's place.

But this one is especially pointless and divisive. At this point carrying it further hurts all Dems.

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niceypoo

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Mon Dec-01-08 12:05 PM
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54. "Hillary supporters" is soooooo primaries

They are now refereed to as 'Democrats.'

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mkultra

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Mon Dec-01-08 12:15 PM
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58. And let me kick it off by saying BOOOYAAA!!!!

OWNED!!!!! Hillary in THE HIZOUSEE!!!

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NoPasaran

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Mon Dec-01-08 12:19 PM
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60. The twenty-one exploding head salute is enough for me

I'll be good now, I promise.

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SeaLyons

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Mon Dec-01-08 12:30 PM
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61. Just stayin' classy.....

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

:rofl:

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PresidentObama

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Mon Dec-01-08 01:23 PM
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63. Hillary supporters do rise above it. The Clinton haters spew NonSense.

And apparently President-elect Obama was smarter than them, because he knew how talented Hillary Rodham Clinton is.

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Catherine Vincent

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Mon Dec-01-08 01:34 PM
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64. Amen!

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 01:42 PM
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67. A few haven't.

And I'm sure a few more would love to say something to the Obama supporters. I don't blame them, I just think it's pointless now. The Hillary/Obama issue is done as of today. Time for both sides to put it behind them and look forward. There's still a lot of work ahead, and we have two strong Dems in Hillary and Obama that have moved on. Time for DU to do the same.

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PresidentObama

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Mon Dec-01-08 01:45 PM
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69. "say something to the Obama supporters" The Hillary supporters ARE Obama supporters.

We all supported Obama in November.

Sorry, I understand your post...that part just caught my ;)

And I hope you're right, and I hope the DU back and forth over the Clintons is over.

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Mon Dec-01-08 01:35 PM
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65. Trying, but it would be a lot of fun to rub it in.

:thumbsup:

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 01:42 PM
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68. I understand. You should have seen me when the Bruins spanked Montreal 2 weeks back.

:evilgrin:

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Mon Dec-01-08 01:49 PM
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70. Probably as bad as me hanging with some Green bay fans,

after the Panthers beat them yesterday. My gloating was off the charts. :evilgrin:

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 01:50 PM
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71. Sports brings out the best in us, apparently.

:rofl:

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MasonJar

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Mon Dec-01-08 06:45 PM
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73. Good comment, Forkboy. I heart you for it.

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terrya

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Mon Dec-01-08 07:21 PM
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76. Another recommendation

:thumbsup:

Great post.

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MoonRiver

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Mon Dec-01-08 07:22 PM
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77. What's interesting to me is how quiet DU is tonight.

I'm a very happy camper and I wish others were celebrating! :party:

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 07:51 PM
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78. DU wasn't the mass of exploding heads and gloating there could have been.

There's been some, but nothing serious. It's actually nice to see.

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MoonRiver

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Mon Dec-01-08 07:54 PM
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79. Yep, maybe we can all actually move on!

:wow:

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Kurt_and_Hunter

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Mon Dec-01-08 08:00 PM
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80. Rise above supporting Obama?

For Pete's sake... those who are being denigrated are being denigrated for saying Barack Obama is the stupidest person to ever win the presidency.

The fact that they infantalize Obama, as they always have, by denying that he is capable of being responsible for his actions is hardly a basis for mutual respect.

Obama's a full-grown man and knows about 500% more about Hillary than anyone posting here.

If certain DUers insist on saying he's a moron, weakling or just plain corrupt then that's what they have to say. And it will be met with as much hostility and derision as claims that Obama is a secret Muslim, not a citizen, etc..

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 08:33 PM
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81. I'm not sure you could have misunderstood that more if you tried.

Unless this is sarcasm like your thread. :)

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Kurt_and_Hunter

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Mon Dec-01-08 08:58 PM
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82. My point is that this shouldn't be a "gracious in victory" situation because

there's no victory. It's not a competition.

Obama appointed Hillary. She didn't defeat him.

I don't see why there are even two camps on the thing. It's all about Obama, not about Hillary. Her only crime is doing what Obama asked of her.

I agree that it is classless to torment people in their defeat, but to apply that here requires that I consider the appointment of a cabinet official a defeat.

Only on DU would that make sense.

I wouldn't razz people who love Kerry or Richardson because their guy didn't get the nod, but that's not what we are talking about. It has zero to do with Hillary and 100% to do with Obama.

And the haters wouldn't care if Obama appointed Donald Duck SoS as long as it wasn't Hillary. Their rooting interest is ugly and entirely negative.

So we are called to be gracious to people who are disappointed, not that they "lost" but that their psychological condition was not validated by events.

It's like being conciliatory toward the rapture ready because the world didn't end and I didn't go to hell...

Yes, everyone should be gracious to everyone, but anyone who is crying themselves to sleep because Obama made an appointment is pretty far down the big-picture pity list.

Being gracious to some of these loons devalues grace itself.

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Forkboy

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Mon Dec-01-08 09:16 PM
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83. I understand what you're saying.

Edited on Mon Dec-01-08 09:17 PM by Forkboy

But I didn't mean it to be a gracious in victory thing, just to be better than those very people you're talking about. It wasn't about being gracious to those people, or having pity for them, but having the class and maturity to rise above the urge to sink to their level anymore. The Obama/Hillary issue is done. This not being a competition is kind of the point.

The people you're worried about will move on shortly, but not if each side keeps antagonizing the other. Hillary supporters are understandably upset at their treatment and I can certainly understand the urge to respond in such a manner, I just think it no longer serves any purpose to encourage both sides to keep shitting on one another simply because it makes one feel good. Today truly ended the need for any of that. Time to move on.

It's not about the "haters". It's about ourselves.

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84. I'm glad for both of them

I liked both, and I still do. I think he made a wise choice, and she has a lot to offer in that position.

I have no need to gloat, that wouldn't make any sense. :shrug:

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