I have watched the BULLSHIT here for the last month

[matcom]

I BEG you all. HE HASN'T TAKEN OFFICE YET!!

But in the unlikely story that is America, there has NEVER been anything FALSE, about HOPE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHEO_fG3mm4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHWByjoQrR8

I'm not about to give up the feeling I had on election day just yet. Talk to me 200 days from now but DON'T take this away. Not now.

PEACE

[Shakespeare]

1. I hear you loud and clear.

I rarely stop in here anymore for exactly that reason.

:hi:

[thoughtcrime1984]

2. Same here.

I get to hear this same bitching in real life from assorted Republicans, don't need it here.

[Whisp]

27. when I hear the same kind of crappy shit here as I hear on CNN

I find other places to go.

It's really become infested with pretenders and infiltrators.

[leftstreet]

3. Link?

:evilgrin:

[hlthe2b]

4. Smack 'em "upside the head", Barney!

You tell 'em! ;)

[Clio the Leo]

5. Are you sure? I think he has.....

.... I mean, he's certainly ACTING like he's the President.

I really think you may be wrong on this one. :)

[JuniperLea]

10. What has he done that seems presidential to you? eom

[matcom]

19. shut YOUR ass up

that is a start

[JuniperLea]

21. I don't get you...

Care to elaborate?

[Trajan]

6. Hey Matcom ....

I visited the old forums a week ago, and I noted how this Matcom fella was posting all over DU ....

Dontcha miss that DU ?

Yeah .. I know .... That kind of nostalgia isnt productive ... But WTF : It was more fun and less negative ....

I dont even listen to the whiners .... Even while I may whine a bit myself, it is rarely about the transition, and more about DU numbskulls ....

:nuke:

[H2O Man]

7. Thank you.

I agree. I think the struggle for democracy has to continue, but that Obama opens doors.

Nominated.

[AwakeAtLast]

8. I am proud to say that I have not found a reason to criticize Obama at all

I think the word that is missing around here is....patience.

It is a concept that needs to be brought back, now that we have Dems in control.

I want this feeling to last at least until we start arguing about 2010! :D

:hi:

[tandot]

9. Couldn't agree more. K & R

[BlooInBloo]

11. They don't care.

EDIT: And you're a nazi for suggesting there's anything at all wrong with specious criticism. :P

[HughMoran]

12. I feel sad that I have to K&R this

I think "of course, doesn't everybody feel this way?"

Sadly, no.

[madfloridian]

13. I have watched the BS for 8 years. I think they have destroyed our country.

By giving Bush his agenda instead of fighting.

I am proud Obama is president, he is a good man.

But our party's last 8 years are far from being awe-inspiring.

[tomp]

47. rhetoric from obama will not suffice...

....nor will support for colin powell....that's REALLY reaching across the aisle, all the way to the bush administration...a secretary of state who supported the war...etc.

still waiting for change.

[Cha]

14. I know. Didn't we have enough of

that when the corporatemediawhores extraordinaire took the glow of the Democratic Convention away from us with the corrupt governor of Alaska, who they are still covering for?

It's a bloomin' miracle we got a win in spite of the "media" and all Dems should be appreciative and give him a chance.

Can you imagine if mccain and palin stole it and how they'd be cowering to the polluters Right Now?

[mkultra]

15. K&R i think many people are still fighting the primary through criticism of Obama

Its no wonder those goose-stepping bastards beat the hell out of us all the time. At the most they are smart enough to know who to support.

[Coexist]

16. What matcom said.

[grantcart]

17. Someday we will refer to these days as the "good ole days"

and all the small comments will be forgotten.

[FrenchieCat]

18. Hopefully, to some degree, this too shall pass,

[madfloridian]

20. You know what's so odd, Matcom?

You used to speak out on things quite freely. So did a lot of DUers. Years ago, I never did. Now I do.

A funny thing happened. I posted a post that did not mention Obama's name, was not about him...but people are so sensitive here they think it was about him. That's how touchy we are getting to criticism.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7973444&mesg_id=7973444

[JuniperLea]

23. I've been smacked around for defending him...

By those who also defend him... THAT is how bizarre things are around here.

Good to see this line up of "old timers". There are so many new names around here...

[madfloridian]

24. I have never attacked or especially criticized Obama, but people think I have.

I have been critical of one choice in particular and that is Rahm. It sent a message in so many ways.

But now people think I am an "Obama hater"

We have got to stop this stuff.

[JuniperLea]

25. Yes, we do.

I've been saying we all need to stfu since the election. I'm confused at one response I received above... I don't recall being critical of Obama in any way since he won the primary. I defended Hillary at times, and I'm sure I was labeled a Hillary supporter by many. I hate labels. I mean, I really fucking hate labels. Seems you can't discuss anything around here without being labeled, and tied to one of any number of whipping posts. I'm pretty sick of it. I feel for the mods... jeez.

[Zynx]

22. I agree completely. Let him bring forth a damn bill of some kind first.

I'm going to shit all over those who keep saying we're being sold out.

[JuniperLea]

26. Haha! You go!

Yeah, let him do the job first. All those idiots were NOT paying attention during the general or the primary. He really hasn't done anything that has surprised me, or that has been contrary to what he said he was going to do.

[Hanse]

28. Better get used to it.

If you think this is criticism, just wait until he really does take office.

[merh]

30. Is your signature a sign of things to come?

Do you intend to post until you get banned?

[progressoid]

29. NAZI!!1!!

k/r :thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

31. Don't give up anything.

Eventually, a space will be found between total support and total opposition where people can talk about the Obama administration. Until then, it may be a little messy.

But, that doesn't mean any of us have to give anything up. I plan to enjoy the hell out of these days we have between now and Jan 21. It's been a long f'ing fourty years. Seriously. :)

[merh]

36. For some it is force of habit, I mean 8 years of bitching at the admin

is going to be a hard habit for many to break.

Then there are those who have fear of success, they don't know what it is like to trust the admin, to be happy about the government, so they sabotage any hope for success.

Then there are those that attack now so that if and/or when Obama does mess up, they aren't so hurt or disappointed.

Personally, I never expected perfection, Obama never promised it. I do expect him to try to do the best he can do - I believe that is the type of man he is. It will be strange having a good man in office, it will take some getting used to.

:hi:


:pals:

[EFerrari]

37. Someone said on the teevee the other day that we may be hyper vigilant

in the way people with PTSD are. I think he was right! I know I am.

But, even if I pick at Obama's choices, it's so wonderful just to watch the man talk.

lol

:hi:

[Willo]

50. good analysis nt

[Celeborn Skywalker]

58. I always have admired your posts.

You seem to be able to balance having optimism and hope in Obama with genuine concern about certain issues. I think this is the way to go and that people who are entirely positive or entirely negative are missing the big picture.

[CitizenPatriot]

32. k & r

I'm not an old name around here, and I don't want to intrude...but I sure miss the feeling before the election. I'm tired of being attacked on here for defending Obama. Every day, I have a moment where I fear the alternative universe that could have been....and I give such deep thanks for the sanity we have...and deep thanks that despite the msm, we got our guy. The country redeemed itself. The people are worthwhile; they thought for themselves. And I feel great about it. It's a miracle to me. So much was on the line.

I'm not letting anyone bring me off this long awaited spiritual high.

[EFerrari]

34. Everyone here was a low count poster at some point. n/t

[CitizenPatriot]

thanks...

I know.

[texastoast]

33. I'm glad you are watching

Because a bunch of the crap going on here makes me want to puke. I can't believe how I've avoided this place since the election, but I found it very easy to do within a week of our victory for the very reason you cite. I love that feeling.

You've got the locksteppers who slam you for wanting O to do what he said he would. And you've got the trolls who are trying to make you think they are for O. Then you've got the progressives who won't give O the time of day. You've got the babies who think they know more about government, politics, and media than those here who have been fighting it and working with it for decades.

[madfloridian]

35. "You've got the babies who think they know more about government"

, politics, and media than those here who have been fighting it and working with it for decades."

OH, you mean the ones who got us into the horrible mess we are in now?

[texastoast]

38. No, I mean the babies

who think that "poof" it's all changed.

[BeFree]

39. No...

...he means that the Obama people have been fighting and working for decades.

Ya know, mf, you do have a way of spinning things. You could probably get a good job with the m$m.

[madfloridian]

41. Sounds like it meant the ones who got us in the mess knew better.

No, actually I am not good at spin.

Life would be easier here at DU if it were.

[BeFree]

44. Oh yes you are

You either either spun that or you were just plain wrong.

And why isn't your life here at DU easy? Is it because folks question you and the spin/wrongness?

[madfloridian]

57. What am I wrong about? Could you be more specific instead of accusing?

Thank you, I would appreciate it.

[BeFree]

59. Specifics:

texastoast wrote:
You've got the babies who think they know more about government, politics, and media than those here who have been fighting it and working with it for decades.

You:
OH, you mean the ones who got us into the horrible mess we are in now?

texastoast in reply:
No, I mean the babies who think that "poof" it's all changed.

You, mf:
Sounds like it meant the ones who got us in the mess knew better.

Me:
You either either spun that or you were just plain wrong.

You, mf:
What am I wrong about? Could you be more specific instead of accusing?

Me, now:
You replied to texastoast spinning/wrong that he was referring to the babies as "those who got us into the horrible mess...". To which he replied to you: "No, I mean the babies who think that "poof" it's all changed." And you spun that or were wrong, because you then wrote that ".. it sounds like it meant the ones who got us into this mess knew better". Which is like saying that texastoast didn't even know what he/she wrote, which is either spin or wrong on your part. Mainly because the babies could not have got us into this mess, since, well, they are innocent (until now) babies.

[madfloridian]

60. No, that is called trying to understand what he meant.

Your answer was not very nice and not conducive to good discussion.

[BeFree]

61. heh

How could babies have gotten us into this mess? How?

Look, you were wrong or you were spinning. And THAT is not conducive to good discussion.

[madfloridian]

62. The term "babies" was used to ridicule. And it should be explained.

Look, you can blame it all on me all you want....that's ok.

But the issue is not being addressed so I understand it.

Making fun of others is fun for some, but it is unproductive in the long run.

[BeFree]

63. Ridicule? You bet

But the term was used to accurately describe those who had not been in politics for very long.
Now, if they had not been in politics very long, how could they have caused this mess?

You really are good at spin.

[madfloridian]

64. And you repeat the same terms over and over. And never answer my question.

I just wondered who the poster referred to, and he/she has chosen not to answer. That simple.

You are using ridicule, and it seems rather silly to do so.

[BeFree]

66. Repeat?

This is what texastoast wrote:
"No, I mean the babies who think that "poof" it's all changed."

The "babies" refers to those who are babies to politics. So, contrary to what you just now wrote, he/she DID answer you.

Sorry I have to repeat all this but whatever it takes to communicate I will try to do.

[madfloridian]

67. Well, BeFree, keep your words simple and plain.

So I can understand. :shrug:

[rosesaylavee]

40. Right there with ya. n/t

[Laurab]

42. K&R - My thoughts exactly! nt

[shellgame26]

43. if the media decides to make something a scandal

Then everybody follows along. GWB was never asked to forcefully reject and denounce Tom Delay or Rove. In fact he did the opposite. The media needs to be called on their bullshit.

[JNelson6563]

45. I'm with you.

:toast: Damn straight Skippy.

Julie

[K Gardner]

46. I don't watch the b/s spewed here against Obama any longer. I also gave up Morning Ho. Same crap.

[Maru Kitteh]

48. K'd and R'd and couldn't POSSIBLY agree any more.

[Marrah_G]

49. I'm happier now then I was before he won !

I think he is making some very wise decisions and may well turn out to be the best president we have had in generations.

I feel BETTER then I did on election day!

Just hang tough Matcom, they are loud, but I don't think there are that many. They just shout over everyone else and slide just under the rules.

[texas1928]

51. I agree all this, he is making mistakes and ruining stuff.

He has not taken office yet, he is not president yet, he does not have any say over what is done at this moment. I think his choices for cabinet positions are fine. He has done a good job working through who in HIS OPINION would be the best candidate for the job and who he can work with well. Remember he is the boss of his cabinet, if one of his choices does not do what he says, he can fire them. He just did not start filling positions with buddies and crap like Bush did. So for one that is a big change compared to the current.

But let's give him a chance to get sworn into office and start work. Christ, he has to been in the position first.

[mistertrickster]

52. Damn right. It reminds me of the parody headline: "Libs Angry that Obama Tries to Win Election" nt

[mistertrickster]

53. Obama broke the cycle of liberals never failing to fail, and yet some people

have to bitch and moan about it.

Unbelievable.

[Dr.Phool]

54. That guy in your sig line.

Is he on meth or energizer batteries?

He just never quits.

Or, he could be powered by hope!

[Truth2Tell]

55. Conform!!! Shut up and conform!!!

What a joke. Conformity trolling.

[mopinko]

56. on the bright side-

i am getting a lot more done now that half of everything on du is bullshit.

right with you, tho. he has done exactly what he said he would do, and what i helped him get elected to do. he is my president. and fuck anyone with an imaginary beef.

[Bucky]

65. I think I've given the last recommendation available to this thread as the 24 hours expire

Glad I saw it seconds before it turned 7:05 the next day

[Terran]

68. You're still around??

Good, I'm very glad. And well fucking said.

[Swamp Rat]

69. Meanwhile, we are being robbed.

[TreasonousBastard]

70. They can't take it away if you don't let them...

You know, the neurotics who can't accept peace or be happy. The purists who see a lot of black and very little white, usually through a tunnel. And the rest who just like a good fight.

The ones for whom every silver lining must have a cloud.

Just do your best to ignore them and be happy that we've taken one very large step ahead.