There were enough Democratic votes to pass the bailout tonight.

[madfloridian]

Democrats voting No:

Baucus
Lincoln
Reid
Tester

Not voting:

Wyden
Kerry
Kennedy
Biden

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00215

YEAs 52
NAYs 35
Not Voting 12

We could have gotten to 60 with those Democratic votes.

That's just sickening to me.

[CreekDog]

1. me too.

:banghead:

[BzaDem]

2. Well first of all, keep in mind that those not voting are often paired with republicans

who also aren't voting. That way, if there is an emergency or major reason why a legislator can't be there, it won't affect the outcome.

Second of all, Reid probably voted against it because that way he can make a motion to reconsider the vote later (which you can only do if you are on the winning side).

[madfloridian]

5. So it is all planned ahead of time.

The union busting, that is, in this case.

They all knew what would happen.

[elleng]

16. Don't think so, not exactly.

No one really sure. Hagel ready to vote Yes, I think.

[BzaDem]

26. I'm not sure what you mean.

If you mean that people paired votes, then yes. People pair votes all the time, on all issues. Not everyone can always be present to vote in the Senate.

[sandnsea]

3. Yep

Or even some combination that included Smith, Sununu and Hagel. I can't understand why this failed. I guess it's going to have to get real ugly before the country really wakes up.

[patrice]

4. So does the bill go to the Conference committee then? nt

[babylonsister]

6. Hmmm. Have you heard any reasoning for these Dems not voting, or

voting no? Those Dems are very smart.

[xchrom]

9. r-i-g-h-t -- smart is the reason.

those DEMS are s-m-a-r-t.

right that's it -- how stupid.

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[Starry Messenger]

12. I read in GD that Kerry is in Poland and Kennedy is sick.

Thread here about votes tonight.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4635228

[madfloridian]

14. Then why did Reid schedule the vote? He has that power, last I heard.

.

[Starry Messenger]

18. I don't know.

I'm still following along in that thread. I'm not the one to ask--all my legislative knowledge comes from reading here and SchoolHouse Rocks.

Sorry, Mad. :hug:

[elleng]

19. Dunno.

Unnexpected 'emergency.'

[karynnj]

22. The best explanation I heard was that

he was working with Crocker on the compromise bill that would pass handily. The agreement fell apart. Reid spoke of some Senators wanting to leave and vote tomorrow - but others had early flights out. (he said that - me, I assume they could have been re-scheduled.

The fact though is that even if Kerry returned and all the others not voting voted - there are still not enough.

Three voted No.

[babylonsister]

23. Because he was hoping it would pass? Maybe?? nt

[lapfog_1]

7. Can Obama vote on this?

When is the effective date of his resignation?

I know Biden was going to resign in January... but I thought Obama has already resigned.

[UrbScotty]

10. Yeah, Obama resigned last month.

[tritsofme]

11. Obama resigned about 2 weeks ago.

And won't likely have a replacement for some time.

[firedupdem]

8. Horrible! I'm crying for those workers tonight as the fat cats

go home for a merry fucking christmas with their families. This is just not right!

:cry:

:banghead:

[madfloridian]

13. I know there will be people bringing on the excuses, but right now...

I really don't want to hear them.

[brentspeak]

25. How about...facts?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7974500&mesg_id=7974581

[madfloridian]

27. Then why did Reid schedule the vote?

?

[xchrom]

28. only his 'facts' count is why. nt

[brentspeak]

29. When else was he supposed to schedule the vote?

[w4rma]

15. In 23 days the Democrats will be have a large Senate majority. (nt)

[Pirate Smile]

17. Reid was a NO vote who only switched for procedural grounds - so he can bring it back up if

necessary.

He wouldn't have had to switch to No if we won.

We actually had 53 No votes tonight.

[brentspeak]

24. WRONG. There weren't enough Democratic votes available

Kennedy is too ill to attend the vote. With him unable to be present, there's not 60 votes available regardless how many Democrats vote 'yea'.