The only reason I'd vote for Matthews over Specter

[Chiefofland]

Specter crafted what ranks among the biggest lies in the history of America:
That one bullet, without striking bone, pierced JFK's neck, shattered several of Governor Connaly's ribs, his wrist, and thigh, and ended up looking like this:



Some of you might argue that so what, this happened decades ago. But i won't forget the assassination of a president and the coverage that ensued. Ever.

[panader0]

1. But it was a magic bullet!

[GoneOffShore]

2. I think it may be moot as Spector may not last until the next election.

But I sincerely hope that Carpetbagger Matthews is not on the ballot here.

And I really don't want to see Fast Eddie run (in any respect - imagine him in a track suit - GAAAH :puke: )

[snowbear]

27. Anyone know when those interested have to file to run?

.
.

Sometime next year?

Wonder if Tweety will really do it or if he's blowing hot air?

He's pretty pissed right now because he makes $1.5 million a year LESS than Keith Olbermann!!!!

[stahbrett]

3. I love conspiracy theory threads

I think almost all of them (including this one) are too crazy to actually believe, the the truth is often too boring/painful for some to admit.

[stahbrett]

4. Discovery Channel re-enactment proves a single bullet could cause injuries

Discovery Channel's reenactment of bullet CE399's path

A Discovery Channel special "Unsolved History: JFK — Beyond the Magic Bullet", attempted to replicate, as well as possible, the conditions of that day. The participants set up blocks of ballistics gel with a substance similar to human bone inside. These studies showed that largely undeformed bullets were possible to produce, if they were slowed by a passage though a tissue-like substance before striking bone. Next, two mannequin figures made of ballistic anatomical substances (animal skin, gelatin, and interior bone-like cast) were set up in the exact relative position of JFK and Connally. A marksman, from a distance equal to that of the sixth floor of the Book Depository building, fired the same rifle model found in the Book Depository, using a round from the same batch of "Western Case Cartridge Company" 6.5x52 mm ammunition purchased with the surplus Carcano weapon in early 1963. The path of their single bullet (followed by high speed photography) duplicated, almost exactly, the wounds suffered by the victims that day, the only difference being that the bullet did not quite have enough energy to penetrate the "thigh" substance in front of the Connally figure, because it struck an extra bone in the "rib" model (i.e., it fractured 2 ribs in the model vs. one rib in Connally). It was also slightly more deformed than CE 399, possibly for the same reason. However, this bullet came close enough to duplicating all wounds in both men with a single shot, with a bullet having little deformation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_bullet_theory#Discovery_Channel.27s_reenactment_of_bullet_CE399.27s_path

[Alexander]

7. So the House Select Committee on Assassinations was all run by conspiracy theorists?

Okay.

:eyes:

[stahbrett]

10. The HSCA agreed with the single bullet theory (nt)

[Alexander]

14. Single bullet theory = one shooter. HSCA said there was more than one shooter.

Nice try.

[stahbrett]

17. HSCA says that it was likely there was another shooter, but they missed

There are a LOT of problems with the HSCA report, with the known evidence that they relied on, etc.

[Alexander]

19. There were just as many, if not more problems with the Warren Commission.

Many witnesses recanted and conveniently died both before and after they testified to the Commission.

But I guess you'd rather stick your head in the sand and believe that our government would never, ever do anything wrong.

Whatever. Enjoy your fantasy world.

[floridablue]

5. That is one Hellova bullet

[pnwmom]

6. I haven't forgotten his nasty conduct in the Anita Hill hearings. n/t

[Metta]

8. Oh, there are many reasons to vote against Spector.

Just look at his record. He's a died in the wool party lackey who purposefully misleads the voters of PA with his seemingly less extreme rhetoric. In other words, a self serving liar.

[ClarkUSA]

9. Exactly... remember when he refused to allow Gonzalez to testify under oath?

Patrick Leahy, Obama supporter and the present head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, ripped him for it, too.

[Metta]

12. Yup. He's scum.

He deserves to have the publick generously reminded of his betrayals.

[Spider Jerusalem]

11. For fuck's sake.

That bullet is a fully metal-jacketed military round, as specified for international military use per the stipulations of the 1899 Hague Declaration that banned the use of expanding bullets in warfare (in part as a response to British use of 'dum-dum' bullets in colonial wars). A fully jacketed round deforms significantly less than a soft lead round, and is in fact designed to penetrate in a 'through-and-through' wound with minimal deformation. See here: http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/issues_and_evidence/single-bullet_theory/Pristine_bullet/Pristine_bullet.html

[LynneSin]

13. Let's just hope another democratic candidate is in the works

Sure there are polls out there that say "Matthews would win". But using a poll that is almost 2 years away from the election is a joke. If I believed the polls in 2006 it would either be Hillary Clinton, Mitt Romney or Rudy Giuliani as president. If I believed the polls from 2000, Bob Casey Jr. would be governor of Pennsylvania and not Ed Rendell. So Fast Eddie should know better than anyone that polls made 2 years from election are pretty much bullshit along with those people who believe they are the best way of predicting what will happen 2 years from today.

Thankfully I'm not in Pennsylvania so I don't have to make that awful decision if it's Matthews vs. Specter, I would probably just choose not to vote for that particular race. If Chris Matthews is elected, he will be nothing more than another Joe Lieberman who will jump on the bandwagon of whomever is popular at that time. It's bad enough we have to have all the bitching about Lieberman and democrats who betray the party - should we be supporting yet another person who will cause nothing but trouble.

[BlooInBloo]

15. Indeed. For the first time, I'm really glad I don't live in PA any more....

I'd hate to have to decide between voting for Tweety versus not.

[LynneSin]

16. What part of Pennsylvania?

I grew up near Harrisburg and then lived in the Philly burbs til moving to Delaware

[BlooInBloo]

18. Da 'burgh.

[LynneSin]

20. You know I was a bit worried when Lynn Swann decided to run for governor

I thought he'd syphon off some of the Pittburgh votes.

But with a 19pt loss to Rendell pretty much says that even his fans wouldn't vote for him. And living proof that being a 'Celebrity' doesn't guarantee you a win in Pennsylvania. Republicans tried that with running Joe Paterno's loaf-about kid for a house seat in Harrisburg- Scott was killed at the polls.

[BlooInBloo]

21. That shit only works in Cali - hahahah!

[LynneSin]

22. The other thing I've read and correct me if I'm wrong - Does Matthews live in PA right now

I mean we had that whole stink with Rick Santorum and where his home address really is. I read somewhere that Matthews has a house in Maryland and Nantucket, not sure where Hardball is filmed (if NY or DC). But honestly, if Matthews is pulling a Santorum with using some old family home as his address - well that shit ain't going to fly in Pennsylvania. Hell I might as well run for office, I could use my grandfather's address.

[BlooInBloo]

23. I'm not sure - I know he's *from* PA, dunno what his current residence situation is.

[LynneSin]

24. well you and I are from PA too - we should run for office then

:eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

25. hahah! I'm not really *from* there - just went out for grad school for 6 years.

[LynneSin]

26. oh close enough

:crazy:

[Caretha]

28. The fact is

Specter is a Republican & Chris Matthews will run as a democrat & this is The Democratic Underground Forum where we support Democrats. This is really your only reason for not voting for Specter? I think you need to review the Forum rules.

[LynneSin]

29. Since Matthews is NOT running we have every reason to be critical now

and I think a large segment of DUers here will say & do nothing in regards to the PA Senate race if Matthews gets the nomination because that's how little we think of Chris Matthews. Let's hope the democrats find a better candidate.

And yes, the polls say that Matthews could beat Specter and even Gov Rendell is on the Matthews bandwagon. But Rendell is the BIGGEST hypocrite if he buys into these polls today - because if those polls were actually believable then Bob Casey Jr. would have won as governor NOT Ed Rendell, who was told he'd have no chance of beating Casey in 2002. And I know this because I campaigned non-stop for Ed Rendell to help prove those polls wrong. And I'll campaign non-stop for whatever the best chance we have defeating Chris Matthews in his primary race because I still don't believe in bullshit polls done 18 months before the actual election will happen.