The Warren discussions on TV changed my mother's mind about gay marriage

[ecstatic]

Before I think she was neutral or leaning towards civil unions only. Now she supports gay marriage.

After seeing the talking heads for and against gay marriage on the MSM over the past week, she found the anti-gay marriage representatives to be petty, especially in light of all the major problems the world is facing. She said it was the Osteens on Larry King that finally pushed her to support it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ6LX4HPJgY

I wonder how common or rare these post-Warren conversions are? :shrug:

[NYC_SKP]

1. Refreshingly excellent news!

May it spread to many others, this enlightenment.

Recommended. :thumbsup:

[WyLoochka]

2. My 91 year old Mom too!

She's in an assisted living place, so has a lot of time to watch all that stuff. She completely turned around on gay marriage, from what she called a "traditionalist Episcopalian" position, after watching many of these discussions - and just like your Mom - the Osteens rolled her in the opposite way of what they intended!

She's also very unhappy about Warren's invocation invitation. Says there are tens of thousands of clergy who would be better suited and, she is sure, would deliver a superior and more inspiring invocation, unlike Warren who is likely to make her puke (if she reads the closed captions - which she probably won't).

[Hansel]

3. This is good to hear. The media's depth in addressing

this issue has been pretty shallow up until now. I think most Americans currently opposed to gay marriage would change their minds if they were to really begin to understand the impact of gays not being allowed to marry. If they were to understand that it does not threaten to them for other people to marry, even if they are of the same sex. (Unless of course it's your spouse and someone else.)

Someone needs to tell those who oppose gay marriage or anything else on "religious grounds" that the whole world does not revolved around them. What they choose to believe is fine, but they have no right to force or enforce their beliefs on anyone else. No one ever directly confronts the religious community on this fact. It would be refreshing to see our leaders and the pundits address religion as a personal choice and stop acting as those we all need to acquiesce to the most conservative religious doctrine.

The discussion from the talking heads has been so juvenile up until now. Maybe an adult conversation by the people it impacts, rather than veiled homophobic comments by the pundits and rhetoric about tradition from our "leaders" would make the difference. One can only hope we can grow as a nation in this direction.

[AntiFascist]

11. Very well said! Thanks for this. n/t

[complain jane]

4. Osteen: "Homosexuality is a choice". What a dumbass.

[ecstatic]

5. Yeah, and he seemed to have never heard about

civil unions. :wtf:

[tbyg52]

27. Well, I heard him say recently that he kept out of politics.

Guess he should have stuck to that.....

[glowing]

6. It was Rachel that turned my mom into a true supporter.. She was very upset

with how people would want to try and hurt her Rachel.. She loves Rachel like Rachel's another child of hers... I don't know whether to feal jealous or elated.

[ecstatic]

10. Same with my folks, especially my dad.

I'm not sure where he stands on the issue of marriage because we didn't talk about it but I know he was very upset to see that Rachel was upset.

[glowing]

28. my mom too.

[1776Forever]

7. Thank you for taking the time to post this - I just posted this thread this morning on this....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8036345&mesg_id=8037256

[Balderdash]

8. Thank your mom for me!

So maybe all the noise we LGBT folks have been making has made the MSM ask
some pertinent questions of the religious right. Maybe when a spotlight is
turned on bigots and good people hear the truth change can occur. Thank you
so much for your positive and constructive post, it means a lot.

[ShadowLiberal]

9. Wow, I'm glad to hear it, if only my family would turn around on the issue now

Anyone's mind changed is certainly progress on this issue.

I wish my family would change their minds about it to, but that seems highly unlikely considering I come from a very conservative family. My younger brother, who's almost old enough to vote, is fine with gay marriage, but will probably vote for republicans when he can vote since he's bought into most of the rest of their philosophy, though I've been trying to slowly change his mind about some issues over time.

The rest of my family I don't see changing their minds on gay marriage anytime soon unfortunately.

[polmaven]

12. I am very proud to say

that my mother, for a long as I can remember, taught me that everyone's rights and needs should be respected ALWAYS.

Mum died just over three years ago one day before her 86th birthday. I will never forget, though, that she was delighted on the day that marriage equality became a reality here in Massachusetts, and was outraged every time it failed someplace else. She was my role model, and, I think, an excellent one.

[Mz Pip]

13. As much as I dislike Warren and his

minions I think his being named to give the invocation has shined a very bright light on the true depth of the bigotry these idiots feel. The do come across as petty, mean spirited, self righteous twits.

I'd never heard of Warren before this fiasco and I don't think he is coming out of this looking very positive. That's certainly a good thing. Perhaps there is a silver lining in this if you take that into consideration.

And Obama can always use this to his advantage down the road when the GOP is obstructing his plans. He can say that he attempted to reach across the aisle and listen to people he didn't agree with. If they just want to continue with their divisive rhetoric then screw 'em. Though I suspect he will be more diplomatic than that.

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[Balderdash]

15. Teh gays are doing the real work

If we had just sat quietly like some of our fellow Democrats would have liked
the MSM wouldn't be all over these guys. We've made the issue news, we're being
heard and it's not going to stop.

[Blarch]

16. Bullshit.

You are attacking our president, before he even takes office. ...you call that work ?

I am a supporter of gay marriage, and have been called a homo phobe on this site many times.... you call that work ?

[Balderdash]

20. I haven't called a single person on this board a homophobe

Take the log out of your own eye before telling me about the speck in mine.
I'm not attacking OUR President, I don't like or agree with his choice to
give the invocation. He, OUR President, said he wanted an open dialogue and
he's getting it and I'm taking him at his word.

[ruggerson]

17. It's gay people who have set the parameters for how this has been discussed

Trust me, Larry King took his cues over the years from us.

Not the other way around.

[Balderdash]

22. Us? Who's us my friend? Democrats or straight people?

What the hell do you mean by us?

[ruggerson]

25. Us

the gay community. Many of us have been talking about and framing the marriage equality battle for over a decade. The media talking heads have evolved over the years largely because we have educated them (and since many of them are gay themselves, they have educated their compatriots.)

Thus when Larry King questions an idiot like Joel Osteen, King knows how to frame the questions far better than he did five years ago.

[gollygee]

23. Oh please

If gay people hadn't raised a stink, there would have been no discussion of the kind mentioned in the OP.

[RetroLounge]

24. Oh, god forbid they don't just STFU

while you do your "real" work.

:puke:

RL

[grantcart]

18. I got one of my neighborhood grandmothers to flip

[DRoseDARs]

19. Well then that makes her an anti-religious, christophobic bigot...

STOP OPPRESSING THEIR OPPRESSING!!! :sarcasm:

[Recursion]

21. You were on speaking terms with someone who was anti-gay-marriage?

I thought we had to grind them all into the dust and have nothing to do with them.

[yardwork]

26. Despite some nasty attacks on DU, I'm seeing a lot of posters with changed minds.

Quite a few DUers are posting that they've changed their minds or that they understand the need for gay rights better now.

[biopowertoday]

30. And that is the good that has come of this mess.

[yardwork]

29. kicking

[BelgianMadCow]

31. Beautiful flowers

can grow on shit.