Say what you want about Burris but to ridicule him for naming his kids after himself?

[wndycty]

Really?

Are we that fucking petty? Seriously I have seen folks take pot shots at him because he had the nerve to name his children Roland Jr. and Rolanda.

People name their kids after themselves all the God Damned time, but when Burris does it, its bad?

Some people really need to get a life.

[hlthe2b]

1. huh?

What are their names? Now you have me curious, though I certainly agree it is not relevant to the Burris appointment...:shrug:

[wndycty]

4. Roland Jr. and Rolanda

Oh the fucking horror. That ARROGANT BLACK BASTARD :sarcasm:

[hlthe2b]

6. the cure for the sleep-deprived parent whose memory is fading...

my parents should have done that with my sister and I, who were rarely called by the right respective name...LOL

[WeDidIt]

2. One kid is fine

HE named BOTH KIDS after himself.

Then built a mausoleum as a monument to himself.

He's a fucking egomaniacal idiot.

[wndycty]

3. That ARROGANT BLACK BASTARD. . .

:sarcasm:

Do you know how many folks buy their tombstones in advance AND have you been in a cemetery? There are more than a few mausoleums there.

[WeDidIt]

5. Yeah, but carve into the mausoleum

each and every office they held...

as they held it?



There should be just enough room above the bench to add in "United States Senator,...almost."

Since the "Lord ordained" his being a Senator, he might just add it any way even if he's never seated.

He reminds me of the narcisstic behaviour displayed by Bush.

[wndycty]

7. Do you really believe that Burris is the only person of significance who has done this?

There are a ton of accomplished folks who have their "resume" on their tombstone. . .like I said Burris is just an ARROGANT BLACK BASTARD :sarcasm:

[pnwmom]

16. How many people build huge monuments to themselves while they're still alive?

Maybe something less than a ton.

[wndycty]

20. You mean like the Bill Clinton Presidential Library?

The George Bush Presidential Library?

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation?

[pnwmom]

36. When Burris is President, I won't think it's odd if he has a Presidential Library.

And the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is a business.

[Jennicut]

37. Yeah, but that is two presidents and a billionaire, Burris is...something in Illinois, what was it?

I can't even remember.

[wndycty]

66. The first African American elected statewide and has held two constitutional offices. . .

. . .folks like to talk about his losses but if he didn't run for higher office he most likely would have served multiple terms in the office he was elected to.

[LanternWaste]

80. Hunter Thompson...

Hunter Thompson... but then again, I doubt there's any argument about Thompson's status as a narcissist and egomaniac while he was alive. :P

[yardwork]

30. Good Lord! Is that for real?! OMG - LOL!

Ok, seriously, I don't know anything about the guy and I have zero opinion on the matter of his appointment, but that.....

[LostinVA]

67. I know!

And, I think he should be seated.

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

57. WOOOOOOOOOW....

thats all i can say

[MADem]

9. God help George Foreman, then. He named all those kids and a GRILL after himself.

Is he a fucking egomaniacal idiot, too?

[wndycty]

11. No the proper term is

ARROGANT BLACK BASTARD :sarcasm:

[pnwmom]

21. Considering all the narcissists we've been subject to in the Bush family,

I don't think anyone sees this as a trait particularly linked with African Americans.

But they're not automatically immune from the disorder, either.

[wndycty]

28. No but its one of things many African Americans see as a double standard. . .

. . .like when Barack was referred to as arrogant. Many of us in the African American feel there is a double standard that when it comes to traits that are either admired or ignored when it comes to white folks but are ridiculed by society when it comes to Black folks.

White people=confident/Black folks=Cocky

Its one of those sensitivities that the larger population might not understand.

[MADem]

35. My family sports a load of names that go back generations.

Not all of them are JUNIORS, but most of our family members are named after parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, uncles and so forth. We have a few juniors in the crowd, and we even have one IV (the fourth).

If your family has a name they like, why not? Beats the hell out of some of these made-up names that sound like prescription medications, or people who name their children after places or streets...like they don't have a single ancestor worth honoring?

I think Roland and Rolanda are swell names, myself...I think knights in shining armor, and beautiful damsels, when I hear the names. Nothing wrong with that!

[pnwmom]

44. I'm probably sensitive to narcissism

because my father, who is white, was one.

Unfortunately, it turns out to be pretty common among high achievers of every background . . . these people can contribute a great deal to society while driving their family members crazy.

[gmudem]

59. Uhh..yeah?

And so is Roger Clemens because all 5 of his kids name starts with K. You know, like strikeouts are K's.

I'm sorry but that mausoleum thing is insane. Normal people do not do stuff like that.

[wndycty]

64. Well he is not normal and most people in the US Congress, Governor's Mansions. . .

. . .state houses are not normal.

[WeDidIt]

60. Yes, he is. n/t

[bunnies]

65. Naming 5 kids the same thing is a little odd.

Seriously.

[LostinVA]

68. George Forman did that

[bunnies]

71. Yeah. Thats who I was talking about.

odd dude that George Foreman. One too many hits to the head. :evilgrin:

PS. Happy new year! :hug: You doin' ok?

[Hekate]

8. Great heavens, how unheard of. Seriously, some people do need to get a life...

I have a friend named Harolyn, named for daddy Harold. My dad was Junior, and my oldest brother was the Third, and we are a family of no public distinction. I went to my junior prom with a friend whose first name is Roosevelt, and his dad's was too, so he was Roosevelt ("My friends call me Mike") Whatever Junior. I lost touch, but if he named his daughter Rosie, would that be a bad thing?

Hekate

[pnwmom]

50. I think it's okay if a parent names either his daughter or son after himself,

(though I wouldn't have done it to one of mine) but giving both children essentially the same name? A name that belongs to one of the parents? Uh, no.

And besides -- didn't these children have a mother, too? I guess she didn't rate a name, or a monument.

[Hekate]

55. Well, yeah, it seems kind of silly, but I'd say there's some kind of ego involved...

B-i-i-i-i-g ego.

My brother always swore if he had a son he'd name him anything but Family Name the Fourth.

Hekate

[pnwmom]

56. It's probably one of those big egos that covers up

a deep deep insecurity.

They usually do.

My father had been a junior. He said he didn't want a son with his name because it was okay to be "big John" and "little John" but it eventually turns into "old John" and "young John" and he never wanted to be "old John."

;)

[bigwillq]

10. Why are people so concerned

with what other people name their kids? :shrug:

I DO NOT GET THIS AT ALL! :mad:

[wndycty]

12. And you know what this ARROGANT BLACK BASTARD who was the first African American. . .

. . . elected to statewide office in Illinois had the nerve to buy an extremely large tombstone and had the nerve to etch his accomplishments on there?

He is the only person ever elected to anything to ever have such a big ego. BTW did I tell you he was an ARROGANT BLACK BASTARD :sarcasm:

[pnwmom]

15. No, he's one of many highly successful people of all races

who appears to be narcissistic.

[wndycty]

22. But for some reason Burris's narcissism is open to ridicule

Jeeze

[pnwmom]

45. So is Bush's (all of the Bushes, actually), so is Nader's, so is Clinton's.

I haven't seen any sign of it in Obama, though, who seems to me to be a really centered person -- despite his amazing achievements.

(And I don't think Clinton was necessarily a narcissist, though he was often ridiculed for those tendencies.)

[cali]

61. anyone and everyone's narcissism is open to ridicule

in my book. I haven't jumped on Burris for it, because I don't think it's particularly extraordinary, but I'd think it was narcissistic and silly no matter what color he is.

[rebel with a cause]

47. Burris is from Centralia Illinois.

I once lived there for a few years and from all I heard, he is a fairly nice guy. Have never heard anything negative about him although I am sure there is some things out there that I don't know. I voted for him for every office he ever ran for, whether in the primaries or general elections.

As for him naming his children after himself...I'm sure his wife had something to do with that also. My mother named me after my father and her favorite aunt, so what does that make my father, my mother and her deceased aunt. I don't know but it made me someone who was not always fond of their name growing up. ;)

[Raineyb]

84. At least he paid for it

The best way to make sure your wishes are respected are to fulfill them yourself. I'm not sure exactly why this should be subject to ridicule. As to his kids names, at least they have fairly normal names. It's not like he named them something like Trig, Trip, or Track.

Regards

[Jackeens]

13. An English footballer called Emlyn Hughes really wanted a son...

...but his wife had a daughter. So he called her 'Emma Lynn'.

:shrug:

[pnwmom]

14. Actually, it is a possible sign of a common personality disorder among many

highly successful people -- narcissism. Narcissists, to an extreme degree, view their children as mere extensions of themselves.

The fact that he would name BOTH of his children after himself IS pretty weird. When you combine that with his grandiose monument to himself as a "Trailblazer" (already built and waiting for him when he dies), his tendency to refer to himself with the royal "We," etc. . . . well, there seem to be plenty of clues pointing in that direction.

[wndycty]

18. And is the only Narcissist in the US Senate? In the White House? In a Governors Mansion?

Also, is the average Joe who names his kids after himself a narcissist? Also, are folks who have PhD's who insist you mention their title narcissists?

What about folks who blog and have websites named after themselves?

What makes his particular brand of narcissism so bad?

[pnwmom]

46. Not at all, as I said, it's pretty common among high achievers.

And some of these people accomplish a lot of good in their overall lives.

Not necessarily in their family lives, however. Children need parents with enough empathy to be able to view them as wholly separate individuals.

[ShortnFiery]

52. Holy Shit! Isn't NARCISSISM a prerequisite for every damn POLITICIAN on this planet?!?

Not to mention a lion's share of Used Car Salesmen.

[crimsonblue]

17. While we're at it, fuck Barack Obama

He was named after his father!

For those too obtuse to realize, :sarcasm:

Holy shit, people. Can we just lay the fuck off Burris for one damn day?

[Jackeens]

19. In fairness, he didn't name his daughters Barackella and Barackena.

[crimsonblue]

23. that would've been awesome

and I don't see anybody making fun of George Foreman. He has like 23492734982374 George Jrs.

[wndycty]

24. Well you do remember Barack was called arrogant during the campaign

LOL

[crimsonblue]

26. that just doesn't make sense

Arrogant doesn't sound at all like "Barack". At least the Hussein smears got his middle name right. :P

[Jackeens]

25. I always wonder about that....

...I mean, the phone rings in the Foreman house and the person who answers shouts "GEORGE? IT'S FOR YOU".

And there follows a stampede.

That can't be good.

[hlthe2b]

40. Must be why they invented the unique ring tones....

LOL

[hlthe2b]

39. Does he get another one... with each grill sold or what?

:rofl:

Gotta love George Foreman... He's one of a kind...(or NOT!) LOL

[BumRushDaShow]

29. Don't forget that Obama's mother was named after her father as well

Stanley (Ann) Dunham. ;)

I agree that there's too much eating of one's own of late. :(

[Jennicut]

38. Technically Beau Biden is Joseph Biden III and then there is Al Gore III

And Obama was named AFTER his DAD. But really, the daughter's name too AND a mausoleum? There is just no precedent for the level of self-love.

[Solon]

27. Uhm, is this really worth an OP all to itself?

I was named after my Dad, and frankly I don't care what people do, but at the same time, I don't care what people complain about in this instance either.

[wndycty]

31. Well I felt it was but then again I'm one of those ARROGANT BLACK BASTARDS

:sarcasm:

[Solon]

32. Uhm, ok, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. n/t

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

58. Is your point that anyone who thinks its ridiculous to name 2 kids after yourself

is being racist against Burris? ok..

[wndycty]

70. When Burris is being openly ridiculed for things that many people do EVERYDAY

You have to question it.

Do you really think Burris is the only elected official who has children named after himself?

Do you really thing Burris is the only elected official who has already secured a burial plot, ordered his tombstone and had his accomplishments listed on it?

[olkaz]

72. I've never heard of anybody doing that with their grave marker while alive. I need some examples.

I realize that it's done post-mortem all the time. But to be as braggadocious to put "Trail Blazer" on there when it's got to be him making these decisions, is indicative of something.

Even if I somehow found the cure for cancer I wouldn't have it in me to do that while I was alive.

[wndycty]

73. Do you want me to hop in a car and drive to my nearest cemetery to give you examples?

Seriously, it happens all the time.

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

74. Well if you don't have examples of people doing this all the time, as you say they do, stop claiming

me or anyone else thinking that shit's odd = racism. FYI I know of no one naming two kids after themselves or producing a monument to themselves, so seeing someone have that shit is strange, and no, it has nothing to do with him being black.

[wndycty]

77. Here are some examples.

Advantages of advance burial arrangements:
1. Make your final choices responsibly…in advance.
As you have responsibly dealt with all dimensions of life, it makes sense to do this work now concerning your final affairs.
2. Take your time, but take the time.
By acting now, a spouse or family member can be spared making difficult decisions…perhaps alone…at an emotional and stressful time. Your choices about burial in a Catholic cemetery will not be in doubt.
3. Spend what you judge is right.
After a death, there is always a tendency to feel that “nothing is too good.” Sorrow can tend to overspend.
4. Locations in a cemetery are unique.
By purchasing now, you will be able to secure a preferred burial location. Since we sell burial space everyday, a special place in a particular cemetery might be gone if you wait.
5. Prices do not go down.
You can obtain the best possible price today. All cemetery costs and fees can be prepaid so no money is due the cemetery later.
6. Treat yourself to peace of mind.
By putting all things in order, you have helped make a future difficult time less complicated and the present time more contented.
7. Accepting your mortality is trusting God.
Advance burial arrangements settle an important area of future concern. You express love and compassion for the people in your life: they know they will be carrying out your clear preferences.

Advance planning centers on selection of burial space. Make an appointment to talk when you have the time, finances and energy to address issues without emotional or financial pressures.
-snip-
http://www.cemeteries.org/services0056.asp

Many people arrange for memorials "pre-need," that is before a person has died. Headstones for pre-need memorials have the name (or, in the case of companion memorial headstones, names) inscribed at the time of purchase, and then the death dates are added later. Many people choose this option for headstones because they want the peace of mind that comes from choosing the design and style of their own headstone.
http://www.headstones.net/

[olkaz]

79. Wait,, what is that proof of? Did you think I was unaware that people buy gravestones before death?

Surely you know that's not the issue.

My grandma has her gravemarker ready (and at the cemetary) but without the date of her death on it (because we aren't fortunetellers). She did, however, decline to put on the stone her status as "Greatest Grandmother of All-Time", which I am now questioning.

[olkaz]

76. While they are alive? With each accomplishment? With terms like "Trail Blazer"?

I have been decorating graves for 20+ years on memorial day and have never seen any marker that bizarre about accomplishments without a death date. Ever.

I will keep looking though. Heck, I might stop at one after work.

[wndycty]

78. You do know people often reserve their gravesite and purchase their tombstomes in advance. . .

. . .and often have the inscriptions put on minus date of death. Additionally, many folks who are accomplished list their accomplishments on their gravestones.

[olkaz]

81. That's what I need examples of.

People who:

A. Are alive and in charge of their own memorial arrangements;

AND

B. Have a similar gravemarker to Mr. Burris.

You've said that this is not uncommon, but I have never seen one. If it's really that common, it shouldn't be difficult to prove your point.

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

83. lol Marc Whitaker of NBC just mentioned Roland and his kids names

as well as the mausoleum. I guess his white side taking over and being racist.

[TK421]

33. It could have been worse....could have been Plaxico n/t

[Clio the Leo]

34. And did anyone say the same thing about Jesse Jackson Jr?

Who's children are named, I believe, Jesse III and Jessica.

Well, I THOUGHT it was weird .... I'll admit to that ..... but my mama taught me better than that. :)

[firedupdem]

42. I pm'd you...check it out! n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

41. My brother gave his kids a first name, second name, and third name

before their surname. I think it is cool. And wasn't Obama's mom named Stanley, after her father? Or is that ok since she was white?

[blue_onyx]

43. I didn't know people criticized him for this

It is a little odd to name more than one child after yourself but if that's what he and his wife wanted, that cool. Personally, as someone who is a "Jr.", I don't like naming children after a parent. I think each person should have their own name.

[TwilightGardener]

48. How full of yourself do you have to be to name BOTH kids after yourself?

It didn't even occur to my husband or me to name either of our kids after one of us--because they're separate entities from us who deserve their own identities, and our egos just aren't that big.

[Ichingcarpenter]

54. Yeah but, The mausoleum you built in Egypt in the form of a pyramid

in your past life makes your kids proud.

You, like me, find this aspect disturbing considering
the difference in degrees of egos involved.

I find this thing with both of them similar
in that they asked for it

Before they died.


In ancient history, there are not that many
that could achieve that, so called vaulted throne,
before they died. Even Alexander did not do that
let alone George Washington, Buddha or Jesus.

Mayan Kings, Egyptian Pharaohs and Hitler
might be some cultures that exhibited this
culture, I think we can do better.

[rvablue]

49. No we aren't......he is......such a decision about something so profound speaks volumes

about the man's self-absorption and narcissism.....hence, why he was willing to take this tainted appointed that NO ONE else, save Alan Keyes, would have accepted.

DUers are supposed to be FOR the Democratic Party....Burris and his hubris filled decision will only hurt us for the next two years or longer.

And it is not ANYONE on DU who needs to get a life.........Burris does. The monument he has constructed for himself says it all.

[ShortnFiery]

53. Oh, please! Nothing speaks HUBRIS as HRC declaring that the Primaries would be over on 4 Feb 08.

Plus her husband scoring a blow-job in the Oval Office. :eyes:

Damn! All Politicians are Super-Arrogant - that's why We, The People, must keep them HONEST. :-)

[rvablue]

75. Clinton got a BJ so Burris should be seated?!?!?! Fascinating argument you've got there.

And I agree with the second part of your last sentence.

Hence, why a corrupt Governor who is on tape asking for money for the appointment cannot legitimately now make that appointment.......and every single politician in Illinois, including the slimy ones, knew that, with the exception of the self-gazing Burris.

[ShortnFiery]

51. I fully agree. Sometimes the "pile on" is wrong. Since the M$M is against him - Burris is OK by me

;)

[Teaser]

62. .

.

[wndycty]

63. Tuesday morning kick

:kick:

[JTFrog]

69. So start a thread and if any reply, just accuse them of calling Burris an Arrogant Black Bastard.

check

:shrug:

[LanternWaste]

82. I would imagine that if...

I would imagine that if we're reduced to ridiculing someone's name, or the name of their offspring (and yeah-- that includes Palin, too), it illustrates a combination of pettiness, and a lack of anything of real substance to critique.