Message to Obama: the republicans do not want to fucking work with you

[Unsane]

Example: the surge in use of the phrase "democrat party" by the GOP. Cantor, Boner et al are putting on a bipartisan facade. They wan't to block any progress you want to make.

[demokatgurrl]

1. And Boner admitted as much-

they aren't even pretending. Motherfuckers.

[Lex]

2. I think Obama sincerely thought they would change a bit.

Now he knows.

[Captain Hilts]

5. Cooper sucker punched him. nt

[Hansel]

52. I think he sincerely "hoped" they would.

I doubt he thought they would. At least not right away. They'll learn. They need him more than he needs them. This is a lesson they will learn in due time.

Obama is a black man with the middle name Hussein who many people believe is a Muslim who ran for president while many people were still wetting their britches over 911 and against one of the best political machines around and won in a landslide despite being called a terrorist and a Marxist and despite the 24/7 loops of the angry black preacher tapes on every media channel and the deluge of viral email accusing him of everything from being born in Kenya to eating babies. Somehow I think he has the where-with-all to understand how the congressional Republicans operate. Let's give him a little credit.

[Captain Hilts]

3. Hey, MookieWilson tried to warn folks here that you can't work with Jim Cooper...

buuuutttt nnooooooooo...body listened to me.

[Shiver]

15. I listen to Mookie...

I just didn't hear anything about Cooper... :hide:

[Captain Hilts]

36. Jim Cooper is a DINO who, personally, stopped healthcare reform for ten years.

He's got nothing we want.

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[Amonester]

4. I Hope He FINALLY Gets It. n/t

[Generator]

6. I think he knows

And I have hope he knows what evil fucked up egotistic cretins they are. Maybe he will mind meld with them or glam them. Whatever-I'm enjoying him bring them down. THEY ARE GOING DOWN. I believe the phrase is-oh yes-hosted by their own petard. WHEW!

[MadBadger]

7. Obama should keep doing what hes doing...He comes out ahead in the public's eye...

when he acts like this.

[tekisui]

11. Exactly.

Even republicans sitting in their rural living room see this for what it is. Obama extends his hand, and the pukes in the House spit in it. Everyone can see who is noble and who is petty.

[Jawja]

57. The sad thing is, most of those folks in their

rural living rooms back their disgusting Repuke Congressman.

And I guarantee that a large majority of them are in the South.

[Unsane]

12. I agree. But I just hope he doesn't naively think these people are his friends.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Yeah, Obama's "naive"

:rofl:

Jesus, the ego on some people.

[Unsane]

17. yawn

[DevonRex]

20. I don't think Obama does naive. He does the right thing, very smartly,

and gets his way in the end.

[Solomon]

58. Exactly!

[Captain Hilts]

45. Yes, we've gone on record trying to play 'nice'. nt

[Raineyb]

56. Nothing will get done when he acts like this

It will water down every bill as to be nearly meaningless and the Republicans will still vote against it. There is no compromise with these people. The Republican definition of compromise is for you to do everything their way or no way at all.

Regards

[Thrill]

8. Obama is playing this perfect. In the eyes of the public

He is trying to work with them and they are blocking progress

[Cha]

62. Exactly...Obama doesn't need any messages

from the hangwringers.

[Raineyb]

66. That's not entirely true.

If all of the public thought he were playing it perfectly the OP wouldn't exist in the first place.

Regards

[DevonRex]

9. You think this is news to Obama? He's playing it perfectly and should keep right on doing it. nt

[polichick]

10. Sociopaths don't change.

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. Unsane knows more about politics than Obama!

Holy cow! Why didn't you run for President yourself!

[sandnsea]

14. They're making themselves irrelevant

And he's helping them.

[Clio the Leo]

18. And if you all think ONE failed attempt at getting bipartisan support is gonna stop him....

..... well, you dont know Barack Obama.

He will keep trying, with renewed vigor, until he gets what he wants.

"WHO WANTS ANOTHER ROUND??? ON THE HOUSE!" ;)

[LoZoccolo]

19. You don't get it.

Obama says he'll work with them, they say they don't want to, they look like the Stiffy Stiffersons. There is no harm in Obama appearing bi-partisan while they appear partisan, and many advantages. Unless our own Stiffy Stiffersons want to have an aneurysm over it.

[jenmito]

21. Message to everyone who thinks he's doing the wrong thing by reaching out to them-

It's BRILLIANT that he's doing this. HE comes out looking and smelling like a rose and THEY come out looking like obstructionist partisan hacks (especially since it came out that they were told not to support the bill BEFORE their meeting with Obama).

[Bolo Boffin]

22. I hope you're right

I agree he looks good now.

But now he needs to have "Lucy with the football" in his rhetorical repertoire.

And anything put in to lure them over needs to be taken out!

And anything and any money going to their districts should be remembered so that when they claim to have helped their district with this stuff, their opponents can blast them with their vote.

[jenmito]

28. I think he should keep doing what he's doing...

since the more he compromises with them the stronger their opposition to him is, and he's also proving that even if he gives them most of what they want, they have no plan to support the bill(s), taking away all of their excuses to vote against it. The longer he keeps extending his hand to them, the better he looks and the worse THEY look.

[Bolo Boffin]

55. But then you don't keep giving them what they want.

You offer what they want, they turn it down, you don't then give them what they want. You take it out and go your way.

Then later offer them what they want. When they turn you down, you take it out again and you go your way.

Continuing to give them what they want when they don't pitch in means that good bills are being watered down with Republican bull. Now they can argue (assuming the stimulus works) that it was their part that did the trick. If it doesn't work, then they can claim that the bad part doomed it and they didn't vote for it anyway. Obama puts them into the perfect position for 2010 messaging by continuing to give them what they want when they keep yanking the bipartisan football away.

[Raineyb]

67. Exactly.

Bipartisanship should be a means to an end not a goal in and of itself. And it's painfully obvious for all the bending over backwards to accommodate these thugs there is no working with them. Not one bloody vote in the house. When it goes back for conference what will we see 2 votes? All this watering down for that is not worth it.

Regards

[MadMaddie]

24. I agree with you

The Repugs are aiding in their own demise. With all of the Job losses announced this week you would think they would clue in.

[jenmito]

34. Exactly...

They look worse by the day.

[Eyerish]

31. Yeah he may end up looking like the good guy in all of this....

But the rest of us get stuck with an inferior bill that could of been so much better. Call me silly but I'd rather have a bill that helps Americans, not concessions to the Repukes.

[jenmito]

40. The parts of the bill that were taken out

didn't really belong in THIS bill anyway. There are some theories out there that these things were purposely put in just so they could be taken out when the Repubs. predictably complained about them. We'll still get those things in another bill.

[Justitia]

23. So now we have a green light to tell them to Go Fuck Themselves - yay! -eom

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

25. It has been my argument all along. It's naive for President Obama to believe that he could

reach across the aisle. Please wake up!!! These Repukes will NEVER, EVER compromise!!!

[LoZoccolo]

27. Because if Obama is one thing, it's naive.

lol

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

33. I think he is because he continues to believe that people will "come together"

to negotiate and compromise. That is naive and underestimates the scum that the Repugs are. They don't give a damn about compromise; all they care about is THEIR fucking tax cuts for the wealthy.

[LoZoccolo]

35. How do you know what he /believes/? n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

37. DUH!! He keeps saying it over and over again...that he wants to bring "everyone" together

and listen to ALL sides, consider ALL points of view. THAT'S NAIVE!!!! The Repugs have NO intention of compromising!

[LoZoccolo]

39. So do you think that people always say what they believe? n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

46. So, our president is a liar? Disingenuous?

[LoZoccolo]

50. How would I know that? n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

59. You're suggesting that he really doesn't mean to call for bipartisanship

even though he has. That's why I'm asking if you're suggesting that he's being dishonest; or, at the very least, playing poliTRICKS? Either he wants bipartisanship or he doesn't. Which one is it? If he does, then he should realize that Repukes DON'T want it. If he doesn't, does that mean that when he speaks of compromise and bipartisanship, he's being disingenuous?

[LoZoccolo]

61. No I'm not.

I'm suggesting that I don't know.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

63. Got it. Thanks.

[Shiver]

41. Actually, considering all sides of a debate is considered by many to

be a very adult thing to do.

It works best with other adults, though, so that's why it doesn't work with the Republics.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

44. Exactly. Yes, consider *all* sides, but don't expect the Repugs to climb aboard, do the same,

or compromise. That's all I'm arguing. I cannot understand why that's so difficult to grasp. The bottom line: the president can talk all he wants about bring everyone together and compromising to appease all sides, but many of us are simply arguing that to expect the Republicans to bend is shortsighted. They will NEVER compromise their neocon/pro-corporate/pro-rich/pro-war principles. NEVER!!! For the president to expect such is, to me, very naive!

[LoZoccolo]

51. How do you know he expects them to climb aboard? n/t

[rufus dog]

29. I think Obama has a pretty good idea

He is showing the American Public what the Repubs look like naked! Think about that!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

60. I hope you're right.

[mascarax]

30. Republicans don't care about the American people

And they made it obvious today.

Kinda paraphrasing Kanye when he said, "George Bush doesn't care about black people." Which he doesn't. But Dubya doesn't care about damn near everyone.

[NYC_SKP]

32. I don't think he's a bit surprised.

President Obama has plenty of experience.

None of this is news to him.

[DCBob]

38. it will be different in the Senate. Senators represent entire states..

House Repubs represent distinct districts that are mostly heavily Republican. However, there will be another vote in the House after the bill is revised and passed in the Senate and then conferenced back to the House. I suspect there will be some moderate Repubs who will vote for it then. It will be risky politically for all the Repubs to vote against this bill. It is like the Dems voting against the soldiers.

[sundog]

42. of course not

his administration isn't protecting the old school cronies

they'll end up digging an even deeper hole for their party

you think they would have learned a lesson or two after the presidential race, but no

these characters will just publicly expose themselves as small-mined, spiteful people

[EndElectoral]

43. Good realistic post. Problem: Rethugs will spin it as Dem's not bipartisan and media will join them

I've seen how they work for decades. Obama wants to change it.

Realistically, it won't happen. They are too idealogically, and indebted to their donors, and wingnuts.

[mucifer]

47. He's doing much better than Bill Clinton did early on. Tho the country is in a different place.

[Captain Hilts]

53. Numbers of Republicans in Congress went UP in the '92 election.

The country was still shifting right.

[BeyondGeography]

48. Your point?

[Christine Babineau]

49. Olympia Snowe will definitely support the stimulus

She's an ok Republican.

[Connie_Corleone]

54. Like Obama didn't know this already.

Obama is not naive. He knows exactly what the House Republicans are like. I mean, his chief of staff is Rahm Emanuel. He knows what they're like.

People around here need to stop underestimating Obama.

Republicans look like obstructionists and not willing to work with the new President who has been reaching out to them. The public sees this.

[cottonseed]

64. Obama (Obambi) has been called naive all the way to the White House.

I think the guy gets it. Reminds me of the primaries... "Hey, Obama, I'm a poster on DU, why aren't you campaigning in West Virginia!!!!!"

[Maru Kitteh]

65. Good. I hope Obama continues to meet with them and hold luncheons with them. Makes them look bad.

Because they are. Let them loose another 12-20 seats in the next election. I'm all up for that.

[AtomicKitten]

68. Obama is doing a fine job exposing the GOP's opportunistic a-hole obstructionism.