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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:43 AM
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Esquire Magazine: What's So Bad About Socialism, Anyway?
Roland Barthes, the French theorist and semiotician, once wrote that sex is everywhere in America, except in sex. For the past 40 years, the same has been true for socialism, which has been simultaneously nowhere and everywhere in America, falsely denied by its politics and falsely claimed by its popular culture. As the federal government puts the finishing touches on its plan to effectively nationalize America's banking system, Steven Soderbergh's four-and-a-half-hour epic Che is opening in select theaters, and its hero could have scarcely imagined that it would be America's first M.B.A. president who would oversee the proletariat's glorious march to the workers' control of the means of production. Alan Greenspan, meanwhile, the prophet of capitalism, has traded his coat of many colors for Job's sackcloth and ashes ("I found a flaw in the model that I perceived is the critical functioning structure that defines how the world works"), and though Obama spent the month of October denying that he is a socialist, his inauguration is upon us and the point is moot. Socialism, real, perceived, or simply misunderstood, has exploded into prominence, and Americans are scrambling to make sense of it in this new age of Obama.

Since the '60s, the Hollywood Left has preferred its socialism vague and mushy — a feel-good unattainable ideal, preferably starring Warren Beatty — rather than a system of government that can actually be put into practice (as it is in Europe). And though Soderbergh has made a movie that even Castro likes — El Jefe approved it for screening at the Festival of New Latin American Cinema in Havana — Che will hopefully cause people to ask themselves whose face they're wearing. If you believe in the freedom of the press, the right to belong to a political party of your choice, the due process of law, and/or private property, then Che Guevara was a monster, plain and simple. But even with that knowledge, it's unlikely that Johnny Depp will get rid of his Che medallion. And it's unlikely that all the pseudo-hipsters who buy their Che T-shirts at Urban Outfitters will stop wearing them. No. These T-shirts send a message, which effectively boils down to this: I have vague left-wing sympathies but don't read history. I am educated enough to want nonconformity but not intelligent enough to avoid conformity. I believe in supporting the wretched of the earth but happily purchase products from multinational corporations.

<snip> Rest here ---------> http://lifestyle.msn.com/your-life/bigger-picture/articlees.aspx?cp-documentid=17989389>1=32001

This article makes several interesting points, but fails to answer any real questions.

As a "liberal", I believe that the Constitution was not written to protect big corporate entities, but rather written to protect the rights of individuals. We can't sue telecommunication companies who listen in our phone calls, but god forbid you find a way to hack into their private network and listen in on their conversations.

I've never been keen on the nationalization of the US banking system. Why would I want the government to know how much money I have in my checking account at any given time? Yet, and the author at least gets this correct, was started by a Republican regime who was hell bent on on a totalitarian style government.

I must also agree with the part about Che. Most people who wear his shirt can't even tell you what his first name was. I'll save you the google time, it was Ernesto.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:56 AM
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1. Ernesto
And I agree. But if we want fewer Che's, we need more justice, but legal and economic.

I am a democratic socialist, and I approve this response.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 12:00 PM
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2. I find it more ironic that Republicans have acted more like Che's that any Democrat could .........
ever dream of.
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bperci108 Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 12:46 PM
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3. I don't know that I would classify Guevara as a "monster"...
...any more than FDR was a "monster". I think the point is that we need to view our heroes, and the others we find inspriation in, as human, and see them as they are- warts and all.

I know a few rightys that freak out about people displaying Che's image and try to portray him as some sort of Marxist anti-christ. I see him as a man who was passionate and idealistic but who was sometimes given to excess in pursuit of those ideals. At the same time I see FDR as probably our greatest president (although I wonder if the current one might surpass him--we'll see) even though he did some heinous things like the internment camps for the Japanese-Americans and his anti-Constitution attempt at court-packing.

Most people seem to get mired down in personalities and never get to ideas.

Read "The Motorcycle Diaries" sometime. You might understand the idealistic young Ernesto who became the revolutionary Che, and why.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 03:16 PM
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4. I read the motorcycle diaries ..............
but when someone writes an "autobiography", they tend to leave out all the darker parts of their life. If you want to read about the real Che, I suggest Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life by Jon Lee Anderson.

Although Che did a leave a few gems of his true personality lying around, like this one: “The Negro is indolent and a dreamer, spending his meager wage on frivolity and drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving.” (Guevara in his Motorcycle Diaries, on black Venezuelans he encountered during his legendary travels.)

If you believe what Bush did in Iraq constitutes as war crimes, then you fail to understand how horrible of a person Che was. What Che did in South America makes Abu Ghraib look like a trip to Disney Land.

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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 03:36 PM
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5. I've read that book about Che
I must have missed the Abu Ghraib-like parts.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 04:00 PM
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6. You missed the parts of him rolling into a town and .........
taking over and then his soldiers would line up anyone who didn't support him and shoot them?

I guess it depends on the belief of "the end justifying the means".

To me, it's fairly simple. You can't come in touting democracy while pointing a gun at those you claim to be liberating. Although to be fair, socialism, according to Marx - and Marx socialism is what Che based his ideology on - is not democracy.
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bperci108 Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:54 PM
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7. That's the trouble with Black/White thinking.
When all you have is either a or b, right or wrong, good or evil you end up making the same mistakes that GWB and Co. made.

And as for socialism/Marxism vis-a-vis democracy: The only way socialism can possibly work is to be based in democracy. It has to be democratic to survive.

Capitalism on the other hand, unless heavily regulated and controlled, easily becomes fascism, for that is it's natural end point.

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