Is it conceivable that SS. Clinton might run against President Obama in 2012?

[Syrinx]

Poll question: Is it conceivable that SS. Clinton might run against President Obama in 2012?

I'm not starting an argument. I just want to know what you think. And, yes I know it's kind of a stupid question.

[AllentownJake]

1. If you know its a stupid question

Why ask :shrug:

[Syrinx]

2. because I want to know what people think

And I'm bored.

[old mark]

3. No. I think she is just discovering how much she likes what she is doing

and that she is actually doing a very valuable service to the USA. She is already a great SS and she impresses other countries favorably, which is a nice change.


mark

[livetohike]

11. I agree. She appears to love what she is doing. She is radiant

and clearly at ease in all of the clips I have seen of her travels. She gives me hope that I too will find my niche after all this time :-).

[ashling]

4. Of course it is!

It is also conceivable Boss Hemheroid will have a sudden epiphany while under the influence of oxycontin and viagra , become a socialist, and run against them both .... conceivable? yes; likely? like you said, I'm bored too.
:shrug:

[polichick]

5. imo Obama tried to prevent that by choosing her for SOS, but Hillary...

...will run if she still wants to be president, or feels unfulfilled.

If it happens, it'll be interesting. Way too early to guess. Don't know how successful Obama will be or how much HRC will enjoy her present position.

[ccharles000]

6. no

[DevonRex]

7. Of course not.

[Thrill]

8. No one in the party is going to challenge the sitting President

[cooolandrew]

9. You never really know but with his approval so high it wouldn't be worth the gamble. >

I can only see the stimulus working long term and Barack would have a solid case against any opponent at that stage. I think 2016 could still be on the cards with an even more solid resume at that stage. Besides if she keeps Barack on her side and ran in 8 years she would have the best campaigner in town the help her out, the more logical move is 2016 to me.

[Still Sensible]

29. She won't. Even against a weakened President.

Even if she was inclined, she'll remember the lesson of Carter/Kennedy... In 1980, you couldn't get much weaker as an incumbent than Carter and it certainly looked like Ted had the opportunity to take Jimmy down, Ted's negatives notwithstanding. Didn't happen and it wasn't all that close. That is probably the most recent example of a vulnerable president still being too powerful to wrest the nomination from.

There are other examples. Reagan made a run at a somewhat weak Gerald Ford in '76 and actually came closer than Kennedy did, but the power of an incumbent president is just too strong IMO.

[Robbins]

10. Hillary

She may run again but It will be In 2016 If she does.And then after eight years as Secretary of State she could run as the continuter
of the Obama adminstration since BIden will be 74 and unlucky to run.

[JayMusgrove]

12. Well, I voted NO but then I though about it for a minute. and reconsidered that

If the ANTI Obama mood of the nation is so bad in 2012 that Obama does not see his own administration doing any better in the next 4 years, Hillary would be a good alternative Dem.

I'm just saying, a former S O S would make a great Dem candidate. She would also get the women's vote against a Palin, or a Gingrich, and would do better than Obama with some truly racist idiots in our nation.

[camera obscura]

20. if Obama somehow decided not to run, they wouldn't pull someone from his administration for 2012

Besides the fact that she would be tied to him, can you imagine the Secretary of State taking a year off to travel around the country? It's a huge job. Just looking at Clinton's jam packed itinerary should tell you that.

The Dems would run a Blue Dog or some other conservative Dem to distance themselves from Obama.

Either way, this is all a thought exercise. If Bush could run in 2004 with a bumpy economy and an increasingly unpopular war, Obama can run in 2012 with whatever life hands him.

[JayMusgrove]

23. Well, of course I prefer 8 years of Obama, but

4 years of each of them, especially Obama coming first, isn't the worst we could do.

[Danger Mouse]

13. No. She won't. I think she likes her job, anyway.

[Mass]

14. Who knows? May be Ben Affleck will run too? Or Michele Obama?

While we are at empty speculations, we can even imagine Rush becomes a Democrat?

Everything is conceivable. Very unlikely though. So, not sure why anybody would want to lose time about that except in order to start a storm shit.

[JayMusgrove]

24. Brad Pitt and Ben Affleck.... I don't know which for Prez... but

I, as a guy, would vote for them over Sarah Palin or Newt.

[sufrommich]

15. No, it's not. nt

[cibrules2]

16. i think

She's comfortable with being the chief diplomat.

[TheKentuckian]

17. Not impossible

but very unlikely.

[treestar]

18. No, she's thrown her lot in with Obama

And would not want to create that kind of division, which would only give an advantage to Republicans.

[WeDidIt]

19. Flamebait n/t

[tonysam]

21. Hillary Clinton is a Party Loyalist

She is not going to pull a Ted Kennedy ala 1980.

[Occam Bandage]

22. What is your intent in asking this?

[PBS Poll-435]

27. This

:shrug:

[Beacool]

25. No, a resounding NO!!!!!

You obviously don't know Hilary, she's no Ted Kennedy.

Whether she had stayed in the senate or in her current position as SOS, Hillary would never run against a sitting president of her own party. That is not who she is.

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[960]

26. No. Hillary will puts party and country first. She's not Ted Kennedy.

[babylonsister]

30. What's that supposed to mean? nt

[960]

33. You know how Ted Kennedy challenged sitting President Jimmy Carter and

cost us the white house to that Reagan fellow?

Yeah, Hillary wouldn't undermine our party and let Palin into the White House.

[babylonsister]

34. Yes, and Carter was doing just a heckuva job as prez. Also,

isn't that what elections are about?

[960]

35. So you wouldn't mind Hillary contesting Obama in the 2012 Democratic primaries?

Yes or no. Isn't that what elections are about?

[babylonsister]

37. She will do what she wants. I think there's a big difference if

the sitting prez is vastly successful vs. not-so-much. Most intelligent people wouldn't want to cause a rift if it seems to be working. And if it's working, as in Prez Obama's admin, HRC will have been a major player in that success.

[960]

39. I think you are buying into RW talking points about what an unsuccessful

president Carter was. You also seem to be using a crystal ball to predict how successful Obama will be.

That said, the only way that Hillary would primary Obama is if he is a catastrophic failure (ie it won't happen).

I think there are people who let their hatred of all things Clinton cloud their judgement.

[babylonsister]

40. I think you are full of...assumptions .

Please name all the many successes of the Carter admin. I like President Carter just fine, and thought his heart was and is in the right place. Maybe he just wasn't a good president during difficult times. I do like his continued attempt at diplomacy and think other people should emulate him there. (Might just be happening)

You asked my opinion, I gave it. No, I don't have a crystal ball and never claimed to have one. And no, I'm not letting any hatred of Clinton cloud my judgment. I think she's doing a fine job now.

[Hippo_Tron]

48. Camps David Accords, renewable energy, SALT, normalized relations with China, FISA

President Carter's foreign policy and vision for the future was second to none. He made plenty of tough decisions that were not politically popular and that is what a leader should do.

[Numba6]

46. yeah, JC was such a failure... his biggest faiure was getting all the hostages out of Iran

alive, without starting a war in the MidEast

What a horrible president

[Rhiannon12866]

56. I agree. President Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize, for God's sake!

And he still is doing amazing service all over the world... IMO, history will prove his detractors are wrong... :patriot:

As for the Clintons, they have both had remarkable careers. And my mother is one of those "Clinton-haters." She used to lose it when he was on TV, and that's when he was president... :eyes:

[karynnj]

47. It is not at all clear that Carter, without Kennedy primary challenge

would have won. There was a huge backlash against the way things were going - about 10 liberal Senators - including some previous very strong ones lost - (McGovern, Bayh, Church, Magnason etc)

I don't thin Hillary will challenge Obama - because as a member of his administration (or a member who resigns) it would look and be very tacky. Also, Carter was an extremely conservative Democrat - and Kennedy was from the left. Obama is close to the center of the Democratic party - so there is not enough space on either side for anyone to run - even if he loses his popularity - which we should hope NEVER happens.

[Clintonista2]

43. Agreed

[Cha]

28. Stupid, inciting question..GAWD

can't we just have fucking unity to get this thing going?

[progdog]

41. Agree with you

n/t

[4lbs]

31. I doubt it. Any bad feelings from the campaign are gone, as now, whenever we see President Obama

and SoS Clinton together, they are smiling and joking.

[opihimoimoi]

32. Is this part of the conspiracy to disparage the Democratic Party?

Jusk askin....

[Metric System]

36. Ugh. NO!

[Starry Messenger]

38. No.

But asking if anything is conceivable is kind of silly. Everything is conceivable--is it likely would be a better way to ask. Otherwise it sounds like a case for the magic-8 ball. :)

[WinkyDink]

42. What would it matter, "what we think"? Lame excuse for a stooopid question.

[Cha]

44. It belongs in the lounge

if they'd have it.

[Name removed]

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[regnaD kciN]

49. I only voted "no" because...

...there wasn't an option for "Not in a million fucking years, you idiot. That's the stupidest fucking half-assed question I've ever heard. Why don't you ask if Malia or Sasha will run against him in 2012 instead?" in the poll.

[IndianaGreen]

50. Hillary is still young enough to run in 2016

and there won't be a Democratic challenge to Obama in 2012 from anyone.

[mkultra]

55. i personally disagree on the age matter

I think age is a great strain on a presidents campaign and if did my math right, she will be 69 in 2016. This seems to be fine for republicans but seems to be a tough obstacle for democrats.

[OmahaBlueDog]

51. Is it conceivable that Ted Kennedy will run against President Carter in '80?

It's 1976. Is it conceivable that Ted Kennedy will run against President Carter in '80. I don't know - if there's a revolution in Iran, an oil shock, a major economic downturn, massive distrust of government post Watergate and Vietnam, a Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, a wildly unpopular decision not to go to the Olympics, and an interruption of the wildly popular Battlestar Galactica to announce that Israel and Egypt made peace, then I guess it's conceivable.

For the love of Chrysler, we're less than 2 months into a 4 year term. Get a grip and let's see what happens.

[Rhiannon12866]

52. I wouldn't be all that surprised...

Since I've been following politics, nothing surprises me... :eyes: :hi:

[otohara]

53. This Sounds Like Something Cokie Roberts

would ask, or any one of those asswipes on TV.

Here we are - day what...47 - asking questions like they would on Fox or MSNBC in the morning.

[Divine Discontent]

54. lol.. you KNOW it's a stupid question. I won't even answer, but I wanted to say it was a silly

question and pot-stirrer, even if you didn't mean it to be one.

[johnlucas]

57. That's like Condoleezza Rice running for Prez in 2008 railing against Bush

Can't run for Prez when you are an integral part of a previous administration.
That would be like Colin Powell or Condoleezza Rice running in 2008 after being part of the reason for the opposition ticket's reasons for running.

Hillary Clinton will have no chance of running until 2016 and that's only IF she wants to run then.
Her run in 2016 if Obama's policies were successful may make her campaign strong as people would want someone OF a successful administration to continue their work in the next term.

On the other hand if his policies were NOT successful then we're back at the flawed 2012 argument all over again.
John Lucas

[shaniqua6392]

58. She will be too busy being SS for Obamas second term!!!

She is going to thrive in this position. She really is doing a great job. I think she knows that she can really make a difference and help America being in this position of power. She looks like she is enjoying the heck out of it!

[JTFrog]

59. Vizzini: "Inconceivable!"

Inigo Montoya: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. "

[Orsino]

60. Barely conceivable, but it's not gonna happen unless Obama majorly screws the pooch.

Her concession to Obama was, I think, final.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

61. Depends what you mean by "conceivable".

It is, in theory, possible that Obama will make a practice of feeding babies to his new portugese water-dog because they contain essential minerals and vitamins and he doesn't like their crying, and that the media will discover this and encourage the Democrats to run someone else.

It is not, however, likely that Clinton will run again for president before 2016 unless Obama chooses not to or is unable to run in 2012 (which most certainly *is* conceivable, either for personal or political reasons, but is not likely).