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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:05 PM
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Day 50: Obama is a Failure

Day 50: Obama is a Failure

by Maimonides

I don't spend a lot of time reading Dkos diaries or comments any longer. Not since the election. With Obama headed to the White House, I was in the middle of feeling good about the universe for the first time in nine years. And then the complaints began in earnest, the complaints from the right harmonizing with worries from the left into a chorus of "Obama is a failure."

I would describe the feeling as "a total buzz-kill." As a commenter on Balloon-Juice mentioned recently, he avoids Dkos because he got tired of hearing how Obama is already a failure, on day one of his presidency.

At Day 50 the Obama adminstration is apparently still failing. The left wing complains that Obama is doing too little, not going far enough, not having liberal enough appointees. The right, in a lovely show of symmetry, feels that he's doing too much, going to far, and that his appointees are too liberal.

But me, I'm goddam Baby Bear. The soup isn't too hot or too cold, it's just fucking right. That's right ya whiny bitches: the soup is fucking awesome! Pass the crackers, I want another fat bowl. I'm taking another tasty, filling bite of the Obama Soup and I'm slurping it back like it's a 5 Guys burger, mayo and bacon and fries on the side.

Yeah, that's exactly it. I'm still fucking happy. REAL FUCKING HAPPY. Hell, I'm fat and happy.

You see, Obama isn't failing. You, you with the bitches, the whines and the moans, you're the ones who are failing: failing to be a part of the political landscape. Failing to get taken seriously. E-P-I-C F-A-I-L.

Got it? No? Good. Because I'm not done ranting yet.

If you're on the right, and unlikely as it may seem, reading this: you fucked up. You called him a socialist during the election, and then he was elected by a smashing majority. Socialism is no longer an insult; over 50% of America voted for it. Explicitly. With feeling, an Obama bumper sticker, and an eye on that hottie in the campaign t-shirt. So now we're all ok with that. And you're left repeating "No" like a toddler who just discovered her first power word even as the Obama Agenda steams along, rolling back not just the past eight years of conservatism, but the last 30. NO NO NO NO! Kitty! NO NO NO! is all you've got left.

Speaking of the left, if you're on the left, and are part of the douche-baggy "He's Just Like Bush" crowd: you are fucking up. Yes, fucking the fuck up. Not the Obama plan mind you, it's steam-rolling over your lilly-ass complaints as easily as it's steam-rolling over the aforementioned conservatives. You're fucking up any chance you have of being part of the conversation. I can understand that from the conservatives: they're idealogically wedded to Obama failing. But you doing it is just self-destructive.

Now you could be on the left and part of the "Obama hasn't gone far left enough" brigade. And I'd salute your ass for fighting the good fight if you weren't making assess of yourself. Seriously, do you have settings besides "Strident Mode/Continuous Autoplay/Volume @ 11"? Try not sounding as fucking ranty as this diary on a continuous basis and people might actually listen to you. Your inability to do anything but criticize for eight years was understandable, until 1/20/09. Then the fact that you really don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut about The Democratic Party, the Future of Progressivism, or really anything except making a name for yourself as a gadfly became a little too obvious, a little too early. To go back to our children's stories, if I'm Baby Bear, you're The Boy Who Cried "Obama is a Failure," and all the cache you developed as a critic over the past 8 years is getting cashed in faster than a tax return in the rust belt.*

Me, I'm still with the 60-70% of Americans who think that Obama is a hell of guy with an abyssmal job. I'm going to eat my soup as it's served, and not complain too much while the main event is dismantling the worst presidency in US history.

So whoever you are, whatever your complaints, welcome to Day 50. We've got a long way to go, and I've got a hell of a lot of good fucking soup to eat. Tastes like chili. And it's fucking awesome. Pass the crackers.

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Top Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:07 PM
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1. Kick
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:08 PM
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2. It is as if he read my mind. n/t
n/t
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:11 PM
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3. Maimonides!!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :yourock: :yourock: :headbang: :headbang: :rofl: :patriot: :toast:
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:20 PM
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4. On A Side Note - 5 Guys burger Is Not That Good
At least not in NYC.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:23 PM
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5. I love 'em, but I've only had them in Baltimore.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:42 PM
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10. In Their Defense
Chain restaurants in NYC tend not to be as good as other locations. The cost of doing business in NYC is so high that they skimp.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:50 PM
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12. I have noticed that. I ate at the Olive Garden in Times Square once and...
Oh, oh. What have I done? :scared:
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:50 AM
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51. Nahhhh... Olive Garden sucks no matter where they are.
:hi:
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:54 PM
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14. I like their hot dogs the best.
The trick is to get them with hot sauce, mustard, and relish. Oh. My. God. Those are so good it's scary.
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jb5150 Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:55 AM
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39. After all that,
can you even taste the dog? By the way, Red Hots rock........:9
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 10:57 AM
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60. In the D.C metro area they're great!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:23 PM
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77. You gotta appreciate them for what they are.
They're the Chipotle of burgers. Almost the speed of a true fast food joint, almost the quality of a restaurant burger. Are they the best in the world? No. Are they the best burgers for under $5-6 that you can grab and go in about 10 minutes? Hell yeah they are.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 09:25 AM
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127. 5 Guys in NYC?
Wow. Their original store in Arlington has the best burgers, the farther away you go I noticed they got less good. When they opened up one out in Woodbridge it was totally not the same as their Arlington and Alexandria food. But I didn't know they'd expanded that far, it's sort of cool.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:04 PM
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129. Chadders are better
But 5 Guys, burgers and Fries are OK. I like the free peanuts :)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:29 PM
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6. "Pass the crackers", please! Muchas Gracias, PS.
Tasty rant..I'll have to save this to refer back to.

"Yeah, I'm looking at you Krugman. I know you wanted a Clinton appointment, but your inability to hear 80% of what Obama is saying is showing. On the stimulus you say "not big enough," ignoring that Obama said "First stimulus bill." Selective amnesia like that is telling from a guy who's supposed to be smarter than me. Updated Clarification: Commenters seem disturbed that I would call out Kruggles. First, those commenters should look up "Appeal to Authority." Second, I would like to clarify for the record that Paul is a fine and dandy economist, he's just a terrible political analyst. Given the choice between him and Obama for economic advice, I'd take Kruggles. Given the choice between him and Obama to run the United States under current economic conditions . . . you can do the rest of the math."

And, didn't I just encounter this today on this site..

" find it deeply amusing that no support for Obama can be expressed without someone (PUMA, conservative or far left usually) saying it's Obama worship. Yes, you're right, I couldn't possibly be a successful political analyst who thinks Obama's political moves so far have been incomparably adroit. I'm just some tween with a keyboard who couldn't even vote for Obama and has an after-image of the campaign poster permanently burned in my retina. I cannot possibly be a rational and coherent voice if I don't have a complaint. /snark."

I'll have to read this Balloon Juice he speaks of..a couple of other blogs that don't constantly bash the president are ..
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/

http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/


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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:12 AM
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36.  Given the choice
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 03:17 AM by AlbertCat
between him and Obama for economic advice, I'd take Kruggles. Given the choice between him and Obama to run the United States under current economic conditions . . . you can do the rest of the math."


But "Kruggles" IS giving economic advice and NOT telling obama how to run the country. Saying the current package is too small (a comment that comes with caveats about bipartisanship and too many Repug ideas)and suggesting it be more (in the future...duh!) is not telling obama how to run the USA.


All this criticism is beside the point. Unless Congress impeaches him, we have Obama for 4 years. Me? I'm waiting until the middle of September. If thousands of innocent Americans have not been murdered on one morning by then, I'd say Obama is doing way better than the last crew.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:33 PM
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7. "That's right ya whiny bitches: the soup is fucking awesome!" Rec'd!
Hot stuff-love it! :rofl:
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:35 PM
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8. Obama is soooo awful, he can only get better from this dismal state!!!
:rofl:

Ok, ok, lest anyone think otherwise: :sarcasm:

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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:40 PM
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9. K&R...I'm lovin' this poster's style. nt
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:48 PM
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11. Love It! Fuck Yeah!
It is nice when someone writes from the perspective of the real world, and not from the corporate kiss-ass media world, or the I am more liberal than Che' perspective.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:51 PM
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13. Can I get some popcorn?
Yes, thank you Maimonides!!!
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:56 PM
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15. pass the crackers.
more soup please. please, please, please.

my sentiments exactly. thanks.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 09:59 PM
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16. That's an excellent rant
:rofl:
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 10:23 PM
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17. More soup for me please.
It tastes so good. And makes all the reporters holler in tight squeaky voices.

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:01 PM
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18. kick
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:14 PM
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19. "He's Just Like Bush" crowd: you are fucking up. Yes, fucking the fuck up.
EXACTLY!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:22 PM
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85. Well Frank Rich told us there was no difference between GWB and Gore. People fall for that crap. nt
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:38 PM
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20. arrogant tripe.
choke on your soup.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:00 AM
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25. Could be better than chocking on air!
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:18 AM
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37. Buzz away....
little gladfly.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:09 PM
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112. Why's that?
Do tell!
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:07 PM
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115. if you can't tell from reading it...
...it'll do no good to try to explain it.

but choke anyway.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 08:53 AM
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117. That it's telling those are pissed at competence to chill out?
Or perhaps you feel that it is insulting those who would critique Obama as in the same league of the crazy dissenters?
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:05 AM
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119. ok, now in english. nt
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:59 AM
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120. That was in English. Do you want it in Dumbass?
Edited on Thu Mar-12-09 12:03 PM by YOY
Now why do you disagree. Say it in whatever language you'd like.

(Also, one capitalizes languages and nations.)
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 07:17 PM
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123. i capitalize whatever the fuck i want... or not...
....and for the english expert, that would be: Now, why do you disagree?

and i don't respond to jerks except to tell them they're jerks, jerk.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 09:01 AM
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126. Now call me a saucy pony!
Edited on Fri Mar-13-09 09:16 AM by YOY
Oh I forgot! You do what you want! So call me something really spicy! Or be completely contrarian and call me something bland! Or do neither! You REBEL YOU!!! ROCK ON!!!

And if you can't read simple English or post your disagreement...why even bother replying? Of is this kind of like Eric Cartman insofar as you are just being a disagreeable dick to be a dick and have no real point to disagree?

Remember you told us to choke on the "soup"...but you never elaborated just why. So please, do tell! Just why should we choke on that soup!
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:39 PM
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21. Yay! A voice of reason!
I really don't understand a lot of the gnashing of teeth or rending of garments; Obama has only been in office for a short while, and he's facing one big stinking pile of shit he has to deal with.

I don't love love LOVE every choice Obama has made, but I'm also not wailing and crying FAILURE!!!

Give the man a bit more of a chance. (And no, I am NOT saying he should be critisized....).

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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:49 PM
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22. Good GOD he nailed it!!
And you're left repeating "No" like a toddler who just discovered her first power word even as the Obama Agenda steams along, rolling back not just the past eight years of conservatism, but the last 30.

Nailed it!

Then the fact that you really don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut about The Democratic Party, the Future of Progressivism, or really anything except making a name for yourself as a gadfly became a little too obvious, a little too early.

Holy SH*T!! Nailed it!!! :rofl:

Me, I'm still with the 60-70% of Americans who think that Obama is a hell of guy with an abyssmal job.

DAMN. STRAIGHT. Hell yeah

Damn, I'm feeling pretty Baby Bear-ish too after reading that. Happy to rec!
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:51 PM
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23. This is similar to a recently tombstoned DU'ers post
He had a post very similar to this a few days ago and it was equally as hysterical. The responses from folks who knew they had been called out on the DL could not have been funnier.

Just wanted to say that. Plus I just like being the 23rd poster in a thread. :)
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:00 AM
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24. Did they delete the thread?
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 12:01 AM by merh
If not, if there is a link could you provide it, I would love to read the thread.

Did the DUer get banned for that thread alone?

This piece is hysterical and spot on.

There have been a few members of Obama's staff that make me uncomfortable, but for the most part I remain optimistic and believe he is doing all he can to correct some truly fucked up situations he inherited.

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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:27 AM
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26. Here it is, merh.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8251802

Oh, it was good. :) I'm not sure why he was tombstoned. Someone posted that his Profile contained a link to his blog which was racist and sexist. Don't know how true it was because I never saw his Profile but it seemed kind of odd because the posts of his that I read were anything but racist or sexist.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:43 AM
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28. Thank you for the link.
If Numba was doofus enough to link to his bad blog then he deserved the tstone, but that thread was spot on and the nervous nellies did come out, didn't they.

Dissent is one thing, I posted a dissent thread the other day. But the whining is so tiresome. The kos entry is spot on.
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:27 AM
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27. AOL Poll has been Freeped.
http://news.aol.com/main/obama-presidency/article/obamas-first-50-days/376700

Those idiots there make me sick.

Obama is doing what I have dreamed could happen in America for years. He is right, the rich plutocrats are trying to destroy him, of course.
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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:28 AM
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31. AOL itself is freeped.
All through the elections, any polls - always very heavily Repukelican. Democrats never stand a chance on AOHell.

Mark.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:00 PM
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121. It's AOL...the internet with training wheels.
Occupied by the Elderly, Children, and idiots who haven't figured out that there are better ISPs.

It's idiot central...
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:46 AM
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29. Two broads walk into a bar, one says to the other....
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:26 AM
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30. That writing is "douche-baggy "
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 01:26 AM by omega minimo
:thumbsdown:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:36 AM
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47. Get Over It.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:59 PM
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89. Failing to get taken seriously. E-P-I-C F-A-I-L.
Yes, fucking the fuck up.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:48 PM
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94. Get Over It.
:hi:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:13 PM
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96. Poor thing
:hug:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:48 PM
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102. Get Over It.
:hi:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 06:01 PM
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106. sad
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:30 AM
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32. I'd K&R this again, if I could.
Excellent message, hilarious tone.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:10 AM
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33. The more "they" rant and rave, the more I like and support Obama...
I haven't stopped smiling and feeling more better EACH DAY than the last one, as opposed to being more outraged and angry with each passing day of the past eight years and more...

While I think we should all not stop from making sure OUR vision for this country is heard and addressed, the bitching and moaning is indeed annoying - and only annoying, because again I smile because I know Obama and we will SUCCEED together, IN SPITE OF the fucking quizzlings and losers in the REPUKE party and their sympathizers...!!!

And I sleep better at night not having to dread waking up under the REPUKES...!!!
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scubadude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 08:59 AM
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44. "The more "they" rant and rave, the more I like and support Obama..."
Gee, didn't Bush supporters do the same thing? Didn't many of them support him to the bitter end, even today?

You can't defeat the enemy by becoming it.

Yes, we need to stick together, but it is our duty to cry out when we don't agree. Nobody, including Obama is perfect.

Sounds less like a rant and more like a whole lot of whining to me. You say my guy did a boo boo, I stick with him no matter what --- Whaaaaaaaa....

Scuba


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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:58 AM
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54. Supporting thier candidate is not whats makes the thugs wrong
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 09:59 AM by mkultra
What makes them wrong is both the reasons why and the extremes to which they go.

Showing some unity and patience has never been considered extreme and in this case it should be clear to you that its deserved and well reasoned. You said it yourself "Yes, we need to stick together!" It is NOT your duty to cry out when you disagree but rather to cry out for justice against oppression. If you truly believe that Obama is oppression, by all means, carry on.


Discussion is one thing. One thing which we don't see much of here.
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scubadude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:20 PM
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73. I believe we should guide our President when he missteps.
Everyone knows that small corrections at the beginning of a journey often prevent the necessity for large ones later on. Yes, it is my duty, especially at the beginning. This has nothing to do about justice or oppression, it has to do with maintaining the right direction.

But even if the only thing to cry out for is justice against oppression, how could you defend arguing on behalf of one of the chief oppressors, John Yoo?

Surly this is a misstep by Obama, or is Obama one of the oppressors?

I cry out to Obama, "Prosecute John Yoo." Any problem with that?

Scuba
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:44 PM
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114. none, but i fail to be outraged
The administration is following common practice in defending him. They have stated clearly that while they do this, the disagree with their policies. If you think about morality and decency for a second you will realize that the evil of others does not relieve one of his own responsibilities.

FYI, hes not listening to your small corrections. Only the moderate voters and the republicans are.

I think you fail to see the bigger picture at hand. For your reference, i submit the following video which describes my feelings in similar terms. I guarantee you will laugh your ass off. I think you may need a good laugh anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoGYx35ypus
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scubadude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #114
116. Yes, I need a laugh, and found that amusing.
I'm more of a Robin Williams guy as you can tell from the following.

Common practice? Morality and decency? Evil of others? You are caving.

Wasn't it common practice for the Bush administration to perform evil actions and claim they were justified on a moral basis? It was for the protection of the country...

How many of these "practices" will be protected by Obama? How many of them were committed under the cover of the Department of Justice, directly supported by the writings of John Yoo?

If you accept one bad decision it can leads to two which in turn leads to hundreds and more. That is how totalitarianism works. If it's not Obama using these tactics, and I'm not saying it is, then maybe it'll be Sarah Palin. Maybe she will use yes men at the department of justice to create legal opinion that harms our country very badly. And if she does, it will be under the cover of the Obama legal team.

C'mon, Obama was a Senior Lecturer of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago. He knows what is at stake here. I see the bigger picture. One more politician covering the ass of another so that his own won't be in a bind later on. Power protecting power. If he got away with it I may need to too.

I sure hope Obama's decisions in the future somehow bring these folks to justice. If they don't then he's made himself a part of it. I believe he can pull it off. I sure hope so. I voted for him, cheered him on at rallies, talked many folks into voting for him, fought to get a good spot to see his winning speech. But I also watched him as my Senator, and didn't always see him fight for the little guy. I still hope for the best. No, I demand it!

That is what I call a rant!

Scuba


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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 01:26 PM
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122. More of a reasoned argument than a rant
I agree that Obama risks becoming part of the problem if he essentially turns a blind eye to serious crimes by people in our government. We need CHANGE on many fronts, and upholding the rule of law is a very important front. Failure to send a clear message that such crimes will be punished serves to reinforce the modus operandi established by the previous administration and carries this legacy into the future.

I understand that our new president has many pressing issues on his table and that he wants to avoid a bitter partisan fight that further diminishes what little hope is left at building comsensus across party lines. However, I think it is becoming more and more apparent that the Republicans (except for a few northeast moderates) can't be counted on for anything that doesn't pass the Rush Limbaugh litmus test. Success at carrying forward an agenda for much-needed CHANGE might very well be better achieved by rallying the Democratic base and by refusing to compromise on issues of vital importance -- like upholding the rule of law.

I am no legal expert and do not know whether Mr. Yoo has committed clear-cut crimes or basically just provided the legal opinions desired by the policymakers in the Bush administration. While it is important for President Obama to take an uncompromising stance in matters of law and justice, to be successful I think he needs to choose his battles carefully -- battles in which the crimes were severe and for which the evidence of criminal wrongdoing is pretty close to indisputable.

Taking that course of action while explaining its necessity in his persuasive and eloquent matter will rally public opinion along with the Democratic base and make it very difficult for rightwingers to agitate against it without putting themselves in the position of defending clearly illegal activities.

Anyway, that's my $.02.


And here's some final thoughts on the original post that started this thread, which was definitely a rant:

It borders on blind loyalty, which in my opinion is a mistake (at least in politics). There is a BIG difference between the Party cohesiveness necessary for success in our contry's political environment vs shouting down all voices of dissent. Regardless of which party is in power we must never lose sight of what our government needs to be, and we should always be able to have rational discussions about our disagreements with each other and with our elected representatives in Washington. This is the process by which we formulate our personal political philosophy and become successful at influencing larger groups.

Of course, we must always keep in mind what is possible in the short term and how that is part of a long term strategy. Given our two-party system and the unlikelihood of significant changes to that anytime soon, we must also acknowledge the importance of a strong Democratic Party.

It is my contention that healthy debate within the Party is absolutely necessary for building a stronger Party and for influencing Washington when our representatives and/or the president fall prey to the inertia and flawed practices that plague our government.

The key is in how we express our disagreement and debate our ideas. We can disagree with our president without falling prey ourselves to the bitterly divisive rhetoric that has characterized "civil discourse" in this country far too long.

In that respect, we should take our cue from President Barack Obama. His political success is largely the result of being persuasive and artuclate without being rude and disrespectful.

The clouds of the last eight years still have not lifted -- from the climate in ouir nation's capitol and from our own psyches. There is much healing to be done. I think Barack Obama is a very good man for that job, and that we can respectfully let him know when we strongly disagree with something he does (or doesn't do) -- without inadvertently carrying water for the dead-ender wingnuts who hope he fails.
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scubadude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:18 AM
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125. Yes, blind loyalty, that is not the Democratic way.
It is the Republican way. Within the party, if any Republican steps too far out of line, they lose support and someone is run against them in the primary with support. And we have all seen the raving freepers that we do not want to become at any cost. It seems that promoting a kind freeperism amongst Democrats is what the main thrust of this thread is about.

In my mind we have to decide. Are we the party of reason, based on the rule of law, or are we the party that fits the law to our political agenda? Are we the party that supports the misdeeds of the previous administration, or are we the party that brings them to light and acts to restore the legal balance?
Are we the party that walks lock step with our leaders no matter what, or are we the party of discussion and reason, and if required - defiance?

We all know that Lyndie England didn't just decide to torture prisoners. We all know that illegal wiretapping began even before 9/11 and was pervasive. We now know just how close we came to a totalitarian government. In histories eyes I believe Obama will be judged in two ways. The first being how he handled the economic crisis and the second will be how he handled the crisis of injustices of the Bush administration. The second is the more ominous though, so I will make the point again. If Obama doesn't address the massive abuse of power of the Bush administration, it will come back to haunt our country in the future.

Thus far I have seen the Obama team bring forth a lot of information about the misdeeds of the Bush administration through the release of heretofore unseen memo's and directives. It seems we were not too far from a totalitarian state. To give him credit, Obama has made some corrections, especially considering signing statements. What I haven't seen is a real willingness to hold anyone who has broken the law accountable, and this is worth doing!

We must demand that he address these misdeeds. We must cry out if he doesn't. We must not blindly support our leaders. We must not become Demfreepers!

Scuba





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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 09:13 PM
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124. Where in any way shape or form am I behaving like a fucking REPUKE?!!!!
You repukes make no sense...as usual...
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scubadude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #124
130. If you notice, I have been here at DU as long as you have.
Edited on Fri Mar-13-09 03:31 PM by scubadude
It's that word, "sympathizers" that does it for me, as well as your support for a major thrust of this thread.

Here's the deal.

Republicans work as a monolithic block. They coordinate their action with extreme care. They punish any dissenting voice. There is no wiggle room for them. That is what makes them Republicans. They live in a world of black and white. The end justifies the means. They have the mentality that "If you are not with us, you are against us". Therefore that is what Freeps do, they support their candidate blindly, no matter what. Preventing the repercussions from this kind of behavior is what the Geneva Convention was about.

Democrats however, have and accept a wide variety of views. We are flexible, and tend to see the world as a complex mixture of colors. We allow voices of dissent and take their views into account. We believe that the end does not justify the means. We believe that we all exist equally under the law.

If you think about it, that is exactly what Obama says he wants to do. He wants to hear our voices. Therefore, dissent is encouraged to contribute as a Democrat. He does not ask that we support him blindly. We must give him plenty of space, but we let him know when he does wrong.

For instance, today it has been shown that the Obama administration supports the Bush doctrine that prisoners at Guantanamo Bay have no rights... This flies in the face of the argument that "All men are created equal". I disagree with Obama's position vehemently, and I'll openly say it. Does this mean I'm a freep? Hardly. It simply means that I care enough about being a Democrat to support basic human dignity, even when the administration doesn't.

I posit that if you are a real Democrat, you will admit that you must tell our great President Obama when you disagree with him. I posit that if you blindly support him you are behaving exactly as the Freepers do now and did with the Bush administration.

Finally to drive the last nail in the coffin of what the core of this thread is about I will ask the following question. How many emails have you gotten from Obama asking for your ideas? If you are like most of us Obama supporters, you have gotten many. He wants to know what we think. He wants us to cry out when we see mistakes. Obama isn't perfect, he knows it. Do you?

So, do the my aforesaid beliefs and arguments make me a freeper, or do they show that the core argument of this tread asks us to act more like Freepers than Democrats?

Scuba







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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:13 AM
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34. I just gotta check in with my approval
"Tell Obama we've got his back"

Yeah, but how many people are "getting his back" with a 2 x 4?
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:25 AM
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35. how old is this person ?
epic fail?
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:19 AM
Response to Reply #35
38. Old enough to get it. But in all fairness they did call themselves baby bear. n/t
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 10:03 AM
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55. Epic fail? I think he got his points across very well
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:10 AM
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62. Do you mean because he used the words "epic fail"?
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 11:11 AM by DevonRex
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #35
78. John McCain - is that you?
Pretty much anyone 35 and under knows what it means and uses it. Thanks for playing.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:50 AM
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40. I've had a few down days, but overall, I am thrilled at what our President has done
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:28 AM
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41. For the life of me, I cannot see why anyone would say he is a
failure. 50 days is but a drop in the vary large 8 year old bucket. I think the President has done as much with his first 50 days as is humanly possible.

There are those who want him to fail so they can get back under their political cover to continue their pillaging of the country. I say that we are on the right course. The huge mess is not of the Presidents doing. For Pete's sake, critics, give him some time. Oh yea, their point is not to give him time. Wouldn't want to risk any success.

I wonder how much worse it really is if that we see now is so bad. I'm sure there are other gigantic situations that have to be addressed but our new President can do only about 4 or 5 things at a time. Unlike his predecessor, who could do less than one thing at a time.

And, President Obama and his family make me smile, no small thing in these times.
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 06:38 AM
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42. great rant, k & r'd
i am so proud of my pres. he is kicking behind in his 1st 50 days,
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 08:57 AM
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43. Love it. DKos has always had a low tolerance for BS by anti-Obama concern trolls.
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 09:01 AM by ClarkUSA
Kossacks have a low tolerance for BS by anti-Obama trolls, period.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:42 AM
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50. Yup. That was one of the things that makes it a welcome fresh breath of air at times.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:54 AM
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53. Absolutely. It's a great unfettered place for liberals who support Obama.
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 10:04 AM by ClarkUSA
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:02 AM
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45. Had to be said
So many critics on both sides. Why? Because it's easy.
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scubadude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:09 AM
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46. Not because it is easy, because it is necessary.
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 09:14 AM by scubadude
Have you ever hear the term "Yes Man"? This post screams out "I am a yes man".

The difference between true Democrats and DemocratwannabeRepublicans is that true Democrats often question authority for the good of the nation. Any authority. We must help President Obama by shouting out, not only when we agree, but also when we disagree. If he's not living up to his rhetoric, let him know. If he stumbles, tell him what tripped him up then help him up. He's only human.

I say DemocratwannabeRepublicans because that is what many Republicans did. They cried out their support for Bush, even when they saw him screwing up!

Of course Obama is not a failure, but when he screws up, as all humans do, I'll let him know about it.

I am not a Yes Man!

Scuba
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 09:05 AM
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118. Of course
We all should question -- and this board proves we do.

But there's more than intellectual questioning that goes on here. There are plenty of bloviators on both sides.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:37 AM
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48. BIG K&R! Awesome Rant And Spot On! Loved It!
:applause:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:41 AM
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49. Perfect. Applies to soooo many DUers.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:50 AM
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52. This speaks for me
I know a guy who said, "Obama must be doing okay because the far left is complaining about him and the far right is complaining about him."
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 10:06 AM
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56. Now THAT is a righteous rant!
Loved every word of it!

:thumbsup:

Recommended, oh so recommended!
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dccrossman Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 10:11 AM
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57. Kick
:rofl:




Oh, and Five Guys sucks.


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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 10:40 AM
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58. That's my kind of rant!
Couldn't have said it better myself. Glad it was written outside of DU - perhaps the people that take everything personally will see it for what it is instead of a personal attack!
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rhymeandreason Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 10:43 AM
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59. Righteous
Thanks for the timely reminder. I'll take a bowl of that.



Monday, November 10, 2008
The Obama Family Chili Recipe
Yes, we've made it, and yes, it's very tasty. We'd suggest, unfortunately, swapping chunks of beef for the ground beef until Bam's been in office for at least a year, and his appointees have managed to clean up the terrible state of the meat industry in the US. We figure it'll take at least that long for ground beef recalls to stop happening on a weekly basis...we're just saying.

The Obama Family Chili Recipe

1 large onion, chopped
1 green pepper, chopped
Several cloves of garlic, chopped
1 tablespoon olive oil
1 pound ground turkey or beef
1/4 teaspoon (each) of ground cumin, ground oregano, ground turmeric, and ground basil
1 tablespoon chili powder
3 tablespoons red wine vinegar
Several tomatoes, depending on size, chopped
1 can red kidney beans

Sauté onions, green pepper and garlic in olive oil until soft. Add ground meat and brown. Combine spices together into a mixture, then add to ground meat. Add red wine vinegar. Add tomatoes and let simmer, until tomatoes cook down. Add kidney beans and cook for a few more minutes. Serve over white or brown rice. Garnish with grated cheddar cheese, onions and sour cream.

*From the Missoula Independent e-interview with Mr. Obama, by Ari LeVaux. This recipe was also on Good Morning America.

http://obamafoodorama.blogspot.com/2008/11/obama-family-chili-recipe.html
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:09 AM
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61. Woah. Best. Rant. Ever. LOL @ "like a toddler who just discovered
her first power word...". That totally sums them up.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:21 AM
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63. While I hate to spoil a good spoiled-child rant
Questioning what someone is doing or criticizing something they do is not calling them a failure.

I like Obama. I supported Obama. And I sent him money.

And I feel free to criticize -- and I will not "sit down and STFU."

I agree that he's been handed a steaming pile of shit to work with, but I will still make noise if I see him heading off in the wrong direction.

I will not, as some Dems want, just become a Dem version of a Freeper, knee deep in a cult of personality where glorious leader can do no wrong.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:30 AM
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65. That's not it
Still don't get it. It's okay to criticize, but the ones who criticize day in and day out and don't think Obama is doing anything right are way too obvious.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:48 AM
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66. As are the ones who defend themselves by tilting the "messiah" windmills...
Regardless of which word they use to describe it: "messiah", "worship", "cult of personality".

People who oppose themselves to such a nonexistent enemy are very transparent.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:52 AM
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68. I'm not putting up with any more "glorious leader" or "cult of personality" bullshitters.
They know damn good and well it's insulting and they just love to do it. Piss on them.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:11 PM
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72. Ah another lockstepping America-hater, I see...
:P
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #72
76. Ya know, this lockstepping is really hurting my knees.
:hi:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:50 PM
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81. The kneeling 5x daily for prayer to our messiah is what really gets my knees. Sigh.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:51 AM
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67. You're in the toddler category. I can insult you if you insult us with the "glorious leader" BS.
And that's all it is: BULLSHIT. You intend to insult with that and you don't give a rat's ass that you're insulting MOST DUers. So take a hike, TODDLER.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:57 AM
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70. And I'm sure that President Obama appreciates that....n/t
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:08 PM
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71. I hear you...
So much for political discussion on this political discussion board. Maybe we'll get unanimity soon!

Effective democracy depends on both dissenting and supportive voices - and the ability for us citizens to know when each voice is needed. Onward, President Obama!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:36 PM
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87. Another dull blade that completely misses the point
The selfish "it's all about me" people have shown up to make the point that you've missed so completely.

:eyes:
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:39 PM
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93. ?
Your witticisms are too subtle for this dull blade.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #63
79. Why am I not surprised? (nt)
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:34 PM
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86. Child like is completely missing the point & pouting about it
Wow are you out-to-selfish-lunch!
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scubadude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #63
98. I agree completely. I call them DemocratWannaBeRepublicans.
Look to my other posts for reasoning.

Scuba
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 07:53 PM
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110. Your last sentence doesn't do much to bolster your point.
Here's the conundrum:

You make effortless use of the same accusatory, demeaning and divisive stock phrases to describe Democrats that Freepers everywhere love to spew at the same said Democrats (and yourself included), and yet you want to be taken seriously as a "supportive critic."

Just sayin', that's all.
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sallylou666 Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:24 AM
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64. I'll take veggie, please
Make mine TVP chili (textured vegetable protein). Tasty and nutritious. :toast:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:53 AM
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69. Ah, veggie chili!! So good.
:toast:
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:22 PM
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74. Fuckin'-A that was awesome! K & Fuckin' R! (nt)
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Rebel Scum Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:22 PM
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75. Great post Maimonides!
I couldn't agree with you more.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:47 PM
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80. Zowie! A breath of fresh air! Pass the grated cheese for that chili, Baby Bear; damn right...
... it's just right!

Hekate


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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:05 PM
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82. If I could recommend this a million times, I would
thank you for writing this and posting this.
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Democrafty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:13 PM
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83. Love this! K & R
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:18 PM
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84. A failure already?! DAMN!
And I thought he was doing so well, too.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:50 PM
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88. Oh, please cross post this in GD
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:02 PM
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91. Here in the ihateobama forum is the most relevant place for it...
But sure - it bears repeating everywhere.
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:00 PM
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90. Love it. thanks
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ClusterFreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:30 PM
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92. As Kramer would say on Seinfeld...
Ya giddy.

:thumbsup:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:54 PM
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95. Thanks for posting --- very interesting. EOM
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:19 PM
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97. Say it again!
:kick: :kick: :kick: :rofl:
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:15 PM
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99. Hey, I'm with YOU!
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:28 PM
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100. Yeah, where were their crystal balls during Bush?
seriously -

It always amazes me how ACCURATE these guys are with all of their analyses. Why they should COMPLETELY have been able to predict 9/11, our various wars on turbans, drugs, and liberals, AND the global recession.

They're practically magickal. :eyes:
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:33 PM
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101. Maimonides nailed it!
:rofl:

I love this guy!

:loveya:
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:54 PM
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103. For the (bleep) of (bleep)
I agree with almost every thing you have said.

But for the love of the great pasta monster...

Could you please stop castigating the left. It is getting really friggin old.
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Barb in Atl Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 06:03 PM
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107. I don't think the post castigates the "left"
just those on the left who claim Obama's failure, missteps, not this enough, not that enough. As a recovering complainer, there is a diff.

50 days is a very short time to sum up a presidency.

K&R btw
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:00 PM
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104. Very Nicely Stated....
and exactly right I think the vast majority of American People want something different for a change so here he is right on queue. To those on the Whiney ones on the Right - LOL WHO CARES and to those Whiney ones on the Left - Shut up and color.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:44 PM
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105. "the soup is fucking awesome ..." Indeed it is. Historically awesome.
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 05:45 PM by eppur_se_muova
(But it was Goldilocks who wanted her porridge just right, not Baby Bear. :) )
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 06:04 PM
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108. how many more days will this nation be subjected to failure.....?
god help us! :woohoo:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 07:41 PM
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109. How did I miss that?
thanks!
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:07 PM
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111. very weak. nt
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:32 PM
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113. you got it RIGHT---> CLASS WARFARE IS ON AND OBAMA IS LEADING THE WAY !!!!!
HOW DO YOU BOIL A LIVE FROG WITHOUT HIM JUMPING OUT OF THE POT ? ? ?


1 degree at a time !!!!


gobama !!!!
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:36 AM
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128. Good stuff
Where I write the majority of the folks are either Greens or conspiracy driven folks who say Democrats=Reublicans and it is Bash Obama 24x7.
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