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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 05:52 AM
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Reviews are in! Jon Stewart eviscerates Cramer and CNBC, establishes himself as a populist hero.
Edited on Fri Mar-13-09 06:31 AM by jefferson_dem
Here's a sampling --

Jon Stewart is my hero -- and he should be yours, too
March 13, 2009, 4:42AM

After watching Jon Stewart last night expose and eviscerate Jim Cramer for his stock-bubble pimping, the question we all should be asking is:

Why is a comedian, an admitted "fake news show" anchor, the only journalist in America to have seriously questioned the media's role in the self-serving corporate fraud that has cost millions of citizens their homes, their savings, their jobs and their pensions?

Listen to Lou Dobbs, and it's illegal immigrants who are somehow responsible. Listen to Rush Limbaugh, and it's leftists and Democrats. Listen to Fox, and it's people who don't listen to Fox.

Listen to Michael Steele and ... well, it's hard to figure out exactly whom he's blaming, but it sure isn't the people who for at least the past eight years controlled Wall St., the government, and -- above all -- the mainstream media.

Cramer's pathetic defense last night was that his stock-market advice (which millions followed) was merely "entertainment."

So here's the underlying message to take away from Stewart's show: it's not that the MSM were unaware of who the thieves are, or even that they were complicit with the thieves. They ARE the thieves.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/acanuck/2009/03/jon-stewart-is-my-hero----and.php?ref=reccafe


It's true: Jon Stewart has become Edward R. Murrow
13 Mar 2009 02:00 am

Through karmic guidance, I sprang awake at the exact moment Jon Stewart was beginning his merciless demolition of interview with Jim Cramer of CNBC's "Mad Money."

Yes, it is cliched to praise Stewart as the "true" voice of news; and, yes, it is too pinata-like to join the smacking of CNBC. If you want to feel sorry for me, CNBC = 25% of the English-language TV news offerings available in China, the others being CNN, BBC, and the Chinese government's own CCTV-9.

But I found this -- the Stewart/Cramer slaughter -- incredible.

Although, improbably, I share a journalistic background with Cramer*, I thought Stewart, without excessive showboating, did the journalistic sensibility proud.

Just before leaving China -- ie, two days ago -- I saw with my wife the pirate-video version of Frost/Nixon, showing how difficult it is in real time to ask the kind of questions Stewart did. I know, Frost was dealing with a former president. Still, it couldn't have been easy to do what Stewart just did. Seeing this interview justified the three-day trip in itself.

http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/03/its_true_jon_stewart_has_becom.php


Jon Stewart Sends Jim Cramer's Stock Plummeting
Thu., Mar. 12, 2009 9:10 PM PDT by Natalie Finn

Jim Cramer sure got his assets handed to him tonight.

On Thursday, in an extremely hyped culmination of a week's worth of finger-pointing, insult-exchanging and lamentation over the U.S. stock market, The Daily Show's Jon Stewart took the Mad Money host to task in no uncertain terms.

"I understand that you want to make finance entertaining, but it's not a f--king game," Stewart said, one of a series of hardballs he tossed at Cramer, who strode into the studio looking as if he'd been brawling in the hallway, sleeves rolled up and prominent brow already glistening.

And Cramer's voice may have even cracked a few times as he uselessly tried to defend himself against Stewart's sobering critique of the CNBC star's on-camera treatment of the prevailing economic mess.

<SNIP>

Ultimately, Cramer vs. Stewart (aka Not Cramer) probably won't result in a massive shift in the way real cable news works, but at least The Daily Show can say it tried.

"So," Stewart concluded, "maybe we could remove the 'financial expert' and the 'in Cramer we trust' and start getting back to fundamentals on the reporting, as well, and I can go back to making fart noises and funny faces."

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b104254_jon_stewart_sends_jim_cramers_stock.html


Lecturing Jim Cramer, the guy Jon Stewart really trumps is Rick Santelli

Delivering to Jim Cramer a show-long lecture about the responsibilities of a financial news network, Jon Stewart positioned himself as the thinking man's Rick Santelli, as a guy who's also mad as hell, but at the people who deserve the ire.

In the much anticipated Cramer vs. Stewart showdown on "The Daily Show" Thursday night after a week of public back-and-forth, Stewart wore the populist hat CNBC reporter Santelli tried to don a couple of weeks ago in delivering an on-air "rant," as Santelli called it, against irresponsible mortgage takers.

"They burned the house down with our money," Stewart said, seething, of Wall Street insiders who turned piles of dubious loans into instruments of short-term profit, "and walked away rich as hell, and you guys knew that that was going on."

<SNIP>

He called it "this weird Wall Street side bet" happening on top of, and dwarfing, the public game of whether stock A or B is headed up or down. He kept the focus, almost unrelentingly, on the Wall Street gamesmen and women who turned bad mortgages into epic disaster and, to his credit, tried to indict Cramer and his colleagues en masse, and for failing a broader civic duty.

"I hope that was as uncomfortable to watch as it was to do," Stewart said when it was over.

That, Mr. Santelli, is how you do populist. See the difference between that and standing in a roomful of traders, going after a guy whose house maybe had two more bathrooms than he should have been able to afford?

Funny side note: Late in the show, as things were winding down, ads came on successively for Bank of America, which has seen its stuck tumble in the crisis as it bought more troubled financial firms, and for Apple, the stock of which Cramer seemingly talked about being able to influence in one of "Daily Show's" clips

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/technology_internetcritic/2009/03/delivering-to-jim-cramer-a-show-long-lecture-about-the-responsibilities-of-a-financial-news-network-jon-stewart-positioned-h.html


Tonight, Jon Stewart morphed from satirical fake news pundit to bonafide journalist asking the hard questions, as he dug deep and uncomfortably into his cowering and humbled guest, CNBC "financial expert" Jim Cramer.

<SNIP>Jon Stewart takes Jim Cramer to the woodshed, shames CNBC

At times Cramer looked and sounded as if her were near tears.

"Absolutely, we could do better," Cramer said. "There are shenanigans, and we should call them out. Everyone should. I should do a better job at it. I'm trying."

The interview was a result of a week-long back and forth over CNBC, with Stewart holding up Rick Santelli's comments about "loser" mortgage holders, and Cramer's call for investors to buy and hold Bear Stearns stock in the weeks before it collapsed.

"I think it was bad, what he said," Cramer told Stewart. "It's a terrible thing to be foreclosed on. They're not losers. They're fighters."

It was when Stewart confronted Cramer with several web clips from a 2006 interview where Cramer said that, as a hedge fund manager, he encouraged the manipulation of futures trades with trumped-up news, and encouraged that "because it's legal, and it's a very quick way to make money, and very satisfying."

Stewart admonished Cramer over and again, and ended on the note that the network dump the whole Cramer as Guru concept and the ad slogan "In Cramer We Trust" and get back to fundamentals on the reporting, so that Stewart could return to satire and jokes, "making fart noises and funny faces."

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/news/article_1464397.php/Jon_Stewart_takes_Jim_Cramer_to_the_woodshed_shames_CNBC__-_VIDEO


Jon Stewart nails the zeitgeist
Andrew Willis, today at 6:09 AM EDT

Investor outrage now has a voice, in the form of comedian Jon Stewart on The Daily Show.

For those who don't stay up late, Mr. Stewart took on CNBC host-cum-hedge fund manager Jim Cramer on Thursday night. It was billed as Brawl Street; the latest installment of Mr. Stewart's pointed criticism of the financial press in general and CNBC's cheerleading coverage in particular. This series of attacks are must-see viewing on YouTube.

It ain't exactly a brawl when one side don't fight. The normal feisty Mr. Cramer spent the session alternating between apologizing for past sins and promising to do better in the future. The fund manager did his best work earlier in the day on the Martha Stewart show, beating down on pastry with a rolling pin.

Mr. Stewart, however, is successfully channeling both his own frustration at what a few misguided souls on Wall Street has wrought and the greater public anger at fearful price ordinary working people will pay for the games played in markets. And he pounded Mr. Cramer with broadsides that included video footage from 2006 showing CNBC's leading light pretty much admiting to market manipulation.

Mr. Stewart is articulate, he's razor sharp and he's got social satire nailed. He made Tier 1 capital ratios funny. He also made a point that's been somewhat overlooked: A great many honest, hard-working individuals on the Street are paying a fearsome price for the mistakes of colleagues and leaders who worshipped at the alter of leverage.

For the YouTube generation, Mr. Stewart is issuing a call to arms, against a system that went radically wrong. As someone who works in the business media, the talk show host's critiques are, to put it mildly, food for thought.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090313.WBstreetwise20090313060926/WBStory/WBstreetwise


Jon Stewart Beats Jim Cramer's Sorry Ass on The Daily Show
Posted by Roy Edroso at 11:44 PM, March 12, 2009

There was something unusual about Jim Cramer's appearance last night on "The Daily Show." We've never seen a Jon Stewart guest so obviously expecting to get his ass kicked, and never seen Stewart kick anyone's ass so thoroughly.

In fact, Cramer was so sweaty, nervous and contrite, and Stewart dished so much shit to him -- showing 2006 clips of the CNBC financial shouting head telling people how to manipulate the market and, basically, telling Cramer that he was a co-conspirator -- "disingenuous at best and criminal at worst" -- in a giant fraud that had been played on investors -- that you might think it was something out of The Wrestler, a rigged match in which the supervillain allows himself to be defeated by the crowd favorite.

<SNIP>

So there was no need for Cramer to fix the fight with Stewart beforehand -- he came on the show ready to eat shit and get out from under.

He may have thought Stewart would be collegial at least. If so he was mistaken. Stewart usually plays a little showbiz footsie even with creeps like Bill O'Reilly, but he approached the interview as if Cramer had killed his sister and Stewart had learned forgiveness but was not about to let him excuse himself for his crimes. Even after Cramer had gamely agreed to try and do some real reporting on his show rather than just taking the word of his CEO buddies that everything was roses and passing it on to the consumer, Stewart pounded him for selling "selling snake oil as vitamin tonic" and for aiding in the destruction of thousands of his fellow citizens' financial security.

It might be premature to call the clash historic television, but it definitely hits a historic sweet spot: the king of big-biz bullish TV shouters atoning before Stewart for crimes against the public, like Henry II submitting to the Pope to be scourged for the death of Thomas Becket.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/03/jon_stewart_bea.php


Jon Stewart wins the CNBC vs. Daily Show death match

Was this Stewart's Katie Couric's Sarah Palin moment? No doubt this was a serious interview. The laughs quickly disappeared as the interview became a stern rebuke of CNBC'S ethically dubious 'journalism'.

It felt like Palin's fateful interview with Couric had the CBS anchor repeatedly hammered the defenseless Palin with insults. Cramer was like a drugged up sniveling wolf being riddled with bullets from a helicopter with nowhere to hide.

Stewart said what so many of us without Wall Street connections are feeling, the fact that its just a game for many of the investors and hedgers and we're all a part of it as their pawns. They're not hesitant to feed us to the fire, burning us with our own money while the bishops, kings and queens recline in their luxury suites sipping $500 water, sighing "ah well," and playing a round of golf with human tees and flag pins. Too bad Bush wasn't able to privatize social security.

For all the buildup in the news media of the supposed battle that was supposed to take place, this was a decidedly one-sided affair.

http://www.examiner.com/x-4519-SF-News-Media-Examiner~y2009m3d13-Jon-Stewart-wins-the-CNBC-vs-Daily-Show-death-match
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 05:54 AM
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1. Great, great post. Thank you! eom
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 06:09 AM
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2. when he kept going to those clips it was brutal
It made me feel sorry for Cramer a little. I don't think Cramer is really a bad guy, not the way some of these truly evil jerks are, he's a tv personality and he has a clownish schtick, but he bears some responsibility and Stewart steamrolled him. To his credit, he had to know he was going to take a beating and he still came on Jon's show, you'll never see Bush or Cheney or somebody like Bernie Madoff do that. Did he deserve what he got? Yes, he did. And there are many others who deserve worse.

I remember back to 2006, the WH Correspondents dinner made Stephen Colbert a legend. That sort of put Colbert on step ahead of Stewart in that he had a big moment that almost changed political history. He made Bush and the media look like fools and he did it to their faces. David Letterman had that same type of moment when he lambasted McCain for canceling on him and beat on him for several days until McCain finally came on his show and showed contrition. Jon Stewart had his moment here. He's been doing it for the last week and a half and then he even did it to Cramer's face. This adds to what he did on Crossfire years ago, but has more resonance. These comedians, they tell more truth while making you laugh than the supposedly serious media ever does.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:55 AM
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16. I understand your point about Cramer but yes he really is a bad guy

Yes he wants to clean up the 'naked short game' but only after he made hundreds of millions from it.

Now if he had become a Nader type at some point (even after he had made some money) then he would get the absolution he wants.


What is interesting is that Cramer obviously desires to be liked and accepted in the larger world, but he certainly seems to me to be a person who is trying to find absolution for past deeds.


I even like him, but that just makes him a sympathetic bad guy and not the evil guy that others - like Murdoch etc are.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:43 AM
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19. He got innocent, well-meaning people to lose a lot of their money
he did it knowingly.

That is my definition of a bad guy.
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 10:26 AM
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80. I have to say I always kind of liked Cramer even if I didn't really think
his advice was any good, since I was vaguely aware of his mistakes in the past. But after watching the clips of him discussing how to defraud people, I think he's the worst sort of bad guy. He may be trying to make up for his past mistakes but he was denying to Stewart his culpability even when faced with the direct contradiction of those videos. Charming liars are worse than anything.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 06:38 AM
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3. Face it, we live in a time when what appears to be real is not and...
What is fake may actually be real.

The Daily Show which sells it's self as a comedy news show gives us as much if not more truth than any of the other "news" programs. That says a lot in a 24/7 broadcast news world.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 06:50 PM
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52. We've always lived in that time.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 01:36 AM
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63. Stewart and his age group haven't.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 01:53 AM
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64. The videos were devestating, it was like watching a perp on the stand
get cross examined by a smart DA.

Cramer should be dead in the media for the revelations about how he dissed the SEC and was a scoflaw.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 05:23 AM
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65. We must not miss this
opportunity to make the 24/7 broadcast news world aware that we know of their complicity.
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psych495 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:55 PM
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73. What we really saw
was the professorial Stewart rebuking his MSM colleague for straying too far from message.

We are all going to deeply regret not selecting Hillary as our candidate. The American people are going to make us pay dearly for unleashing the 'eloquent buffoon' on the nation. And they will ultimatley remeber that it was priarily foisted on us by the media so easily enamored by Obama's empty message. Jon Stewart is one of them. Funny guy, but it is people like him that give credence to the opposition who claim that the news anchors (fake or real) are merely the mouth piece for the Obama camp.
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 10:32 AM
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81. Your spelling acumen betrays you. nt
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 06:39 AM
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4. They said Hagler - Hearns but it was really Tyson - Spinx k*r
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:58 AM
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5. I told my husband while we were watching TDS that John Stewart
is one of the very few real journalist left in this country.
One that has the guts to ask the questions and then call them on it when they lie.
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Hellataz Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 08:38 AM
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6. Stewart needs his own serious new show.
He should have a news commentary show on a news channel or network TV, where he can be taken more seriously. The show could be set up to allow him to keep his funny format with the news clips shitck he does, but the other half could be him doing hard hitting interviews with people. I'd love to see that, kinda like Rachel's show, but less campy. Maybe more like Bill Maher without the panel but with the funny commentary but also serious interviews and touch questions. I've seen Stewart on news shows being interviewed and he can be serious and very intelligent. I wish they'd branch the show out, maybe make it an hour long and move it to a network where he can have the credibility to get serious interviews and be able to spend more then 5 minutes talking to them.

I think as it stands now, people don't expect to get a hard hitting interview on the daily show, they expect to be made fun of by one of the correspondence or they expect John to back off into a joke when things get to awkward. I'm glad he didn't do that with Cramer.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 09:36 AM
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11. Nope... His best weapon is his "court jester" status....n/t
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:47 PM
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25. Couldn't agree more.
Edited on Fri Mar-13-09 12:48 PM by Egnever
it gives him a lot of leeway and also allows him to drop bombs occasionally like he did last night.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:49 AM
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13. Since CNN has kicked DL Hughley to the curb, maybe CNN will open a slot for John Stewart
The excuse given that DL did not want to leave L.A. for New York. John Stewart is already located in NYC.

Give him an hour on Saturday night (if Stewart is observant then tape before sundown on Friday) to do the kinds of observant news you're talking about.


I think Bill Maher does a great JOB of stating his opinion, exploring the topic, and getting a laugh. DL might not have been that funny but he did press perspectives I hadn't heard expressed out loud in a serious way. Al Franken wasn't too bad in his books about O'Reilly and Limbaugh either.


I never thought they were stupid because they were comedians. Conan and Franken went to Ivy League (not the only place for brilliant scholars) schools.
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ImOnlySleeping Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:12 PM
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53. cbs
My hope is that he gets Letterman's spot after he retires.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 05:25 AM
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66. Not opposite Keith Olberman.
We need both on in different time slots so as not to water down their ratings.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 08:43 AM
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7. "I thought Stewart, without excessive showboating, did the journalistic sensibility proud."
Per Fallows. Exactly right.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 09:22 AM
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8. Fuck Santelli, Stewart for prez 2016? jus sayin..... :-)
Edited on Fri Mar-13-09 09:22 AM by uponit7771
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:27 PM
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54. ".........the guy Jon Stewart really trumps is Rick Santelli"
Edited on Fri Mar-13-09 07:27 PM by Cha
<snips>

"Delivering to Jim Cramer a show-long lecture about the responsibilities of a financial news network, Jon Stewart positioned himself as the thinking man's Rick Santelli, as a guy who's also mad as hell, but at the people who deserve the ire.

In the much anticipated Cramer vs. Stewart showdown on "The Daily Show" Thursday night after a week of public back-and-forth, Stewart wore the populist hat CNBC reporter Santelli tried to don a couple of weeks ago in delivering an on-air "rant," as Santelli called it, against irresponsible mortgage takers.

"They burned the house down with our money," Stewart said, seething, of Wall Street insiders who turned piles of dubious loans into instruments of short-term profit, "and walked away rich as hell, and you guys knew that that was going on."


<read more>
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/technology_internetcritic/2009/03/delivering-to-jim-cramer-a-show-long-lecture-about-the-responsibilities-of-a-financial-news-network-jon-stewart-positioned-h.html
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 09:32 AM
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9. A Brutal, Satisfying BEATDOWN! And Epic AssWhooping!!
Edited on Fri Mar-13-09 09:33 AM by Beetwasher
Cramer was a beaten dog. He was reduced to a quivering pile of sputum by the end.

Indeed, it WAS historic television.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 09:35 AM
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10. It was breathtaking.. make sure you see the whole thing..
and not just the edited footage that was aired. (It's all at comedycentral.com)

(amusing aside: he called Scarborough "doucheborough")
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 09:48 AM
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12. Cramer is only part of the problem
and I give him some credit for showing up on the show.

As Jon pointed out the problem is much bigger than Cramer - it's bigger than CNBC. It's that the MSM does not do the kind of honest investigative reporting of big business abuses and is more interested in entertainment, or worse, in deluding viewers in order to enrich themselvs at the expense of viewers' 401ks, than in meeting journalistic standards of truth-finding and truth-telling.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:52 AM
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14. I give Cramer credit for being embarrassed
I've watched these media savvy people make mistakes but give us non apologies. Here, Cramer had the humility necessary for an apology to be sincere.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:10 AM
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17. good point, I agree
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 10:44 PM
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76. update: Maybe he bamboozled me and he was waiting to resurrect the issue
He was not embarrassed enough.

He came back this morning and said something that was completely wrong.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/26/cramer-talks-idaily-showi_n_179455.html


He is two weeks late.

If he had a reasonable response and he could not figure out how to frame it while he was on the Daily Show, he should have taken a recording break and came back when he could answer the specific and direct charges Jon Stewart made on his behavior.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:19 PM
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22. Quite true. When we get our news from a "comedy" show and entertainment from
"news" programs, journalism is seriously messed up.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:53 AM
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15. In other words, Jon Stewart's stock is WAY UP this morning
:)
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:39 AM
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18. I liked his comments on why "the system" was BS even more than anything he
said against Cramer. If we work on a system where looting is actually frowned upon instead of promoted we may have some hope.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:59 AM
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20. On another site I check out regularly, a wingut took the opportunity
to launch an attack on Stewart - "He hasn't been funny at all since Colbert left the show!"

The punchline - he identifies himself as "Independant"!!!!

R U SERIES??!?!?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:02 PM
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21. Cramer should have quit while he was ahead. With Martha Stewart.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:31 PM
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23. Its a sad state that this country is in when a comedian is a more serious journalist
then the real guys are. Jon Stewart = the go to guy for truth telling in this country. He has no fear and he goes for the throat.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:36 PM
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24. The fact that the MSNBC morning crew didn't mention it at all should tell you all you need to know.
If Cramer even came CLOSE to getting the better of Stewart, Joe and Mika would've been playing clips all morning.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 01:10 PM
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26. K&R n/t
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:15 PM
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27. Watch part 2 at 3:00....Stewart explains how ALL Americans feel to a T....Good for him....
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:21 PM
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29. Like WHOA!!!! Watch the unedited version!! 3rd part Stewart keeps it real....this guys the shit
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:19 PM
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28. Well, I love Stewart, but he's no Murrow.
I mean come on...let's take a cab to Real St.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:21 PM
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30. Name someone else who's doin what he's doin?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:29 PM
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31. Um, regardless, that doesn't put him in Murrow's league.
I love Stewart. I've been a fan of his since long before The Daily Show. It's awesome that he does what he does. He's still no Murrow, not even close, and the lack of others doing anything good doesn't equate to them being equals. Hell, I bet Stewart would laugh the hardest at the comparison.

What the comparison really shows is how sad the state of journalism has gotten when a comedian reminds people of how it should be done. Like a I say, great for Jon, but that doesn't put him on Murrow's level. It simply doesn't. :shrug:
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:32 PM
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34. Murrow called it like it was, Stewart is calling it like is is now...he's the ONLY one calling it..
...this way to the degree that relates to the average American.

In THAT way he's Murrow like to me...

You're right, why is a comedian the only one with enough minerals to
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:30 PM
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32. Um, regardless, that doesn't put him in Murrow's league.
I love Stewart. I've been a fan of his since long before The Daily Show. It's awesome that he does what he does. He's still no Murrow, not even close, and the lack of others doing anything good doesn't equate to them being equals. Hell, I bet Stewart would laugh the hardest at the comparison.

What the comparison really shows is how sad the state of journalism has gotten when a comedian reminds people of how it should be done. Like a I say, great for Jon, but that doesn't put him on Murrow's level. It simply doesn't. :shrug:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:36 PM
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35. It's Comedy Central...he shouldn't have to try to be Murrow
But he does, which is the whole sad point.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:47 PM
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36. That I agree with.
It's sad that he's in this position. Not knocking him at all, but what does that say about the so-called actual journalists in this country? :scared:
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:51 PM
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37. Yeah, I get your point...
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 12:09 PM
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69. Our Forkboy's tynes are quite sharp...
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 05:27 AM
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67. Sad point, indeed. nt
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:30 PM
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33. I think Stewart would agree with you. It's a sad state of affairs when a comedian
has to be the one doing the job he did on Cramer and CNBC last night.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:51 PM
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42. it speaks to our sad times that he's the closest thing we got
ya know? He's not a trained journalist. ya know? he makes people laugh on a comedy show. ya know?

WHERE ARE THE REAL FUCKING MURROWS!?!?!

That is the whole fucking point of his diatribe against CNBC.

Way to miss the point.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 05:29 AM
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68. Potential Murrows are given
their daily talking points and told not to stray outside the bounds of 'official' words.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 05:14 PM
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70. I got the point just fine, thank you very little.
WHERE ARE THE REAL FUCKING MURROWS!?!?!

I don't know, but that doesn't make Jon one. Ya know?

That is the whole fucking point of his diatribe against CNBC.

Then Jon is agreeing with me. He isn't Murrow and is wondering where the real ones are. Ya know?

Way to miss the point.

I agree, you did a very good job of missing mine.
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Rider Haggard Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:00 PM
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38. Thank you so much for putting that compilation together.
Great reading and the first "R" I have given.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:14 PM
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39. Cramer at least had the decency to be contrite
Unlike most of the folks who have gotten this wrong. Apparently, he has a conscience, or at least realizes that he could go the way of Tucker Carlson.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:24 PM
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40. Yeap, much respect to Cramer...he at least noticed somethings wrong
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bagrman Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:49 PM
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41. What if there was an investigation into Cramers personal investments
and see if he followed his own advice.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:52 PM
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43. Stewart singlehandedly killed "Crossfire"
He can do the same to "Mad Money" or other such snake oil at CNBC.
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:53 PM
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44. good stuff
The media has been called out again, as they were on Crossfire by Stewart and the Correspondents' dinner by Colbert. Yet the media will not change the way they operate, which is to shield the powerful and conceal their shenanigans, meanwhile glamorizing the rich and famous and distracting us with circuses. All that's missing is the bread, and that lack might start the riots.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:55 PM
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45. Proud to be the 50th rec
Jon sliced and diced Cramer better than Veg-o-Matic!!!
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lob1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:56 PM
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46. We've all heard Stewart say he does fake news.
That throws people off balance. Did you notice when he was dicing Cramer, he said "Play clip 212". That means he had AT LEAST 211 other cuts ready to be shown. That's the kind of research that "real" reporters don't bother to do anymore. Jon was loaded for bear...and bulls.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:44 PM
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61. Fabulous evisceration by cross-examination.
And Jon is not even a lawyer!!!

Damn he's GOOD!!! :loveya:

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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:19 PM
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47. What happened to Lou Dobbs as populist hero?
:sarcasm:
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Rebel Scum Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 05:30 PM
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50. He's too busy...
Being Rush for those who think they're too smart for Rush.

But it walks like a repug, smells like a repug, therefor it is a repug...despite his claim to be "independent." BS!
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:34 PM
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48. He sure is my hero, for how beautifully he articulated what I've wanted to say
to all the TV stock market propagandists and "financial advisers" who have told me to hang in there long term while they were making all kinds of fast cycle profits and bankrupting the country.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:39 PM
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49. I love that man more than yesterday...but less than tomorrow!!!!
Jon Stewart that is. He is just getting better and better.

What more could you want in a man..he is intelligent and funny!!!!

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 06:11 PM
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51. K&R. (nt)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:31 PM
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55. Thanks, jefferson~
This is a blissful bouillabaisse of tasty reviews.:9
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 09:29 PM
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56. Can someone give me a brief synopsis?
I don't watch the Daily Show nor do I know who this Cramer guy is.

What is the big deal here?
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 09:43 PM
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57. Awesome post, and better than Kick if you think bandwagons are kewl
;)

:thumbsup:
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 09:49 PM
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58. I think we're on the verge of a major anti-establishment mood..

..taking over the country.

People are PISSED OFF.
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 09:51 PM
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59. Thank you for all the work that went into this. Great job!
Jon Stewart rules!
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Left Coast2020 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:14 PM
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60. IS LIMP-BUTT NEXT?
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:14 PM
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74. That coward would never even come near TDS.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 12:44 AM
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62. He'd done this already in my eyes.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 05:38 PM
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71. Just a comparison with Rush Limbaugh, the so-called leader of the
Republican Party...I know there is no comparison...but bear with me. I'm listening to Mike Papantonio (Ring of Fire) who is really ripping Rush a new you know what. He states that Rush has no authority and is declining in popularity, because the young people are listening to Stewart and Colbert and others to get their political opinion. All that's left of his ditto heads today are hard core of extreme RW wackos that Rush still appeals to. So it appears that Stewart has become the de-facto head of the liberal left wing if not the Democratic Party. I hope he keeps up the good work of deconstructing these lying liars in the media until there is no one left standing. Then maybe we can get real journalists delivering the news and editorial opinion. They don't have to be liberal or conservative, just educated and truthful.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 02:49 AM
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72. The Denver Post has a pretty good write up about Cramer v Stewart this morning..
.
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morning brew

Littwin: Cramer vs. anti-Cramer: justice in fake journalism

By Mike Littwin
Denver Post Columnist
Posted: 03/15/2009 12:30:00 AM MDT
Updated: 03/15/2009 12:45:53 AM MDT


Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die.Mel Brooks

Jon Stewart needs, as they say, no introduction. He's the man who hilariously brings us fake news on "The Daily Show," the man who is cable TV's answer to that other Jon — Jonathan Swift — and the man who makes his immodest living wherever snark and satire meet.

And if, in the process, he has become a leading news source, particularly for the young and flatulently amused, he fully recognizes that for the scandal it is. Not that he doesn't — face scrunched, jaw slackened — bleepin' love it.

But now, Stewart is more than simply a comedic news provider. If you read the papers, he has morphed into our modern- day Edward R. Murrow simply by taking on Jim "No Sense of Decency" Cramer in a one-on-one smackdown. Stewart had billed it, in not exactly Murrow fashion, as "Brawl Street."

The whole idea is fairly absurd, or maybe just absurdist. Jim Cramer is no Joe McCarthy, intent on destroying lives. On his "Mad Money" show, he was just intent on amusing your bank account to death. And Stewart would be the first to tell you he's no Murrow, who, of course, helped invent modern news media with his this-is-London, World War II radio reports. Whereas Stewart, a post-modern figure, helped invent, well, "The Colbert Report," which — now that I think about it — is no small feat.


Continued- http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_11915937
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:39 PM
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75. I don't think Stewart wants to be anyone's hero
nt
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 12:55 AM
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77. Stewart was remarkably effective
I realize this is an old thread, recently bumped by someone else. But I'm glad I got to read it.

Stewart on that show was better prepared and crafted a more intelligent and devastating argument than anything in the careers of Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann. I could have applauded all night. Cramer was like a cocky all-flash, no substance boxer who was battered and backing up in every round.
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bobburgster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 04:56 AM
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78. Even Chris Matthews admitted..
Cramer got his butt kicked.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:39 AM
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79. BUT... How are CNBC's ratings doing?
Has there been any REAL effect? :shrug:
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bobburgster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 03:08 AM
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82. Good question...
i don't know the answer, but it will be interesting to find out.
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