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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 08:48 AM
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NYT Editorial Must Read: Following the A.I.G. Money (Warning! It will make you very angry.)
March 15, 2009
EDITORIAL
Following the A.I.G. Money

The bailouts of American International Group are also rescues of its trading partners — banks and other financial firms — that would have lost out if the insurer had been allowed to fail. But even after four bailouts between last September and this March, no one knows with certainty who those partners are or how much of the bailout money, now totaling $160 billion, has gone to make them whole.

A.I.G. has not said who they are, and neither have government officials in charge of the A.I.G. bailouts — mainly Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke — despite repeated inquiries from Congress. (The Wall Street Journal, citing confidential documents, reported recently that about $50 billion in 2008 bailout money from A.I.G. went to at least two dozen firms, including Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, Bank of America and European banks.) Late last week there was talk that more official information was forthcoming, but no one has seen it yet.


From what is known, it certainly does not appear that A.I.G’s trading partners were entirely innocent victims of extraordinary circumstances. A.I.G. was a key player in a type of unregulated derivative called a credit default swap. Such swaps are often defined as a form of insurance because the seller guarantees payment to investors in case their investments go bust. They are not safe insurance in any familiar sense, however, because A.I.G. was not required to set aside reserves in the event of a claim. That is why, when the bubble burst and defaults rose, A.I.G. was unable to make good, provoking the bailouts.

Still, the trading partners knew, or should have known, how dangerous the swaps were. And that is not necessarily the whole story. In the manic years of this decade, credit default swaps took off as a way to bet on the likelihood of default by a firm or an investment portfolio, without having to own any financial interest in the firm or portfolio. That is definitely not insurance, it is gambling. The reason it is not illegal gambling is that, in 2000, Congress specifically exempted credit default swaps from state gaming laws.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/opinion/15sun1.html


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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 08:56 AM
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1. It all starts with the legislation.
Its no longer follow the money, its follow the new laws. Then you will know how the crooks will make the money that screws us all.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 10:24 AM
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3. Follow the new laws

Yep
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 09:58 AM
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2. Yep.
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 02:38 PM
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4. k/r
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 02:49 PM
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5. Check this out!
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Also unknown is how much had been wagered on the demise of A.I.G. By intervening to prevent the insurer’s failure, the government prevented those bets from having to be paid. Who was let off the hook?


Duh. I hadn't even thought of that.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 02:53 PM
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6. The '$170 Billion Dollar Question!'
Edited on Sun Mar-15-09 03:01 PM by flpoljunkie
t is not enough to simply know more about A.I.G., its trading partners and their activities. What is needed is transparency going forward. Banks resist the idea of requiring that all trading in credit default swaps be conducted on exchanges, in the open and subject to full regulatory scrutiny. It is an idea, however, that is long overdue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/opinion/15sun1.html
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 07:48 PM
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7. AIG Releases List of Counterparties, 65% To Foreign Banks
AIG Releases List of Counterparties, 65% To Foreign Banks
Advertisements BREAKING: AIG Releases List of Counterparties, 65% To Foreign Banks
http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/15/breaking-aig-releases... /

By: looseheadprop Sunday March 15, 2009 4:26 pm

AIG just released its list of counter-parties (recipients of the bailout money that flowed through AIG); there are four nifty charts (PDF).
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