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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 05:28 PM Original message |
Without a Pastor of His Own, Obama Turns to Five |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. Please, let us get a gay friendly woman pastor who can help Obama! |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Perhaps Katharine Jefferts Schori |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. There's no political advantage in that. |
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SFLady (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. Go Bishop Katherine |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
91. Yup, add me to the list of fans |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 07:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
36. But the fundies won't be won over, regardless. Obama needs to do what he can. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
90. Sharon Watkins preached at his inaugural worship service. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. Rev. Wright, Obama's pastor for 20 years, was pro-gay marriage and it didn't |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Wright evolved on gay issues himself |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. How do you know he wasn't always pro-gay marriage if you don't know when |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. because I read his history and don't have a photographic memory |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Maybe you can find a link to what you read. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. No it isn't |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Yes it is... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. that is a bald faced lie |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. OK... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. There were two I can't recall if I comment on the one here or in the LGBT forum |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Was it a positive comment or negative? n/t |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. negative toward the campaign |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Yeah, they SHOULD'VE used his letter. It couldn't have hurt... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I hardly see pointing out the truth about Wright as being anti Obama |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. That's not what I'm saying... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I didn't say they would |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. very simple |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. Yup |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Are you sure that's a Mormon doctrine? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. It was part of the Book of Mormon but disavowed in the 1970's |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. I know they had some odd racial beliefs |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I think they claimed that as blacks became more moral their skin would lighten |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #15 |
104. They got a message from "above" when the were going to boycotted by the NCAA |
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wsmyth (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
76. My recollection is his evolution began with the ordination of GLBT minsters within the UCC. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. "evangelical pastors for private prayer sessions" Oh ICK - say it ain't so! |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. Wallis calls himself 'evangelical' but is one of the most liberal pastors |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
69. Well, I guess a left-wing pastor is better than a right-wing one... |
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jesus_of_suburbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
19. I just want the new one to be gay friendly like Rev Wright was. I'm tired of homophobes in religion |
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snake in the grass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
27. I look forward to the day... |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I agree |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
28. Hopefully Obama finds what he's looking for. |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Exactly. And he knows any church he attends will be scrutinized |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
33. 'for discussions on the role of religion in politics' |
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54anickel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #33 |
45. True, but at least it's a swing back toward social justice issues. That's what church was about |
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54anickel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Shit, scratch that reply. I read more closely and these "guys" are NOT representative of |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
34. Too bad he feels the need to turn to organized superstition. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Well, the guy wanted to get into politics. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. At least he didn't join a Senate Christian Dominionist prayer group like Hillary. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. No she didn't. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. She did indeed join a Senate Christian Dominionist prayer group. I'm glad Obama didn't. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I didn't mean that she hadn't joined the prayer group. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Of course she did... |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Clark, give me a break. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. I think it's plausible; the only other conclusion is she's a religious wacko. Take your pick. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #74 |
98. I can excuse your animosity because you don't know Hillary. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #98 |
103. What animosity? She's the Obama administration's esteemed SoS and the primaries are OVER. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. YOU are the one who can't let go of the primaries. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Huh? Who brought up Rev. Wright and Obama's "present" votes? Projection... thy name is Beacool. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:32 AM Response to Reply #39 |
95. LOL |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Or maybe he believes in his faith |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Because his "faith" didn't hit him before then. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Alice Palmer has nothing to do with this conversation |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. You're right. On all counts. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Clark, baby, how you been? |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. I judge neither his heart nor spirit, |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Of course you are judging his heart and spirit |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. Yeah, and thank goodness he did. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. That's a matter of opinion............ |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Yes indeed. |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
73. See, this is the type of bullshit I can't stand here on DU. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
37. Oh yeah, Rev. Wright.............. |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. the way he acted during that press conference, |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. Maybe, maybe not. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. If Barack believed in political expediency, he would've have broken w/ Rev. Wright from the get-go. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Clark, |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. oh yeah sure... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. It took political courage to speak out against IWR while he was running for Senate. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. No, he didn't even bother to vote on Kyl-Lieberman. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Oy vay. This again? Um, Harry Reid rushed the vote while Obama was in NH. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Bullcrap!!!! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #101 |
106. Facts are inconvenient, aren't they? The "Bullcrap!!!" isn't coming from me. |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. oh please... |
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wsmyth (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Except that Obama knew or expected it was coming. |
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ErinBerin84 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. well |
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wsmyth (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #82 |
108. I agree there shouldn't be a religous test, but... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
41. Odd religion they have |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Not only bigots, but heretics, too, advocates of the Prosperity Gospel. n/t |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
44. I can't wait for the day when Freedom of Religion or Not, is practiced here. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
48. There's wisdom in a multitude of councle I attent TD Jakes church, he's done a decent job |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. There's also a lot of wisdom in Otis Moss, Sr. |
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wsmyth (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. But would you describe Moss Jr as a centrist? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #77 |
88. Can you describe this "theological background"? nt |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
72. all I need to know about Jakes is his insane belief that gays can be cured |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
89. Kirbyjon Caldwell believes that, too. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
81. T D Jakes is a bigot! He was BRUTAL in his attacks on |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
87. TD Jakes is a hate monger. nt |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:37 AM Response to Reply #48 |
97. TD Jakes is a for-profit run-of-the-mill "teevangelical" |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
65. I think its stupid for us to even know about his Pastors. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. I agree - TMI |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. Glad someone else here does |
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ErinBerin84 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #65 |
84. I agree as well. |
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dascientist (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
71. t.d. jakes, yuck :( |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. I agree. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
80. Since when is Kirbyjon Caldwell not affilliated with the religious right? nt |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. Jakes, too |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
85. You don't know the nature of his relationship and discussions with those men |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:36 AM Response to Reply #85 |
93. when I have the power to determine if you can serve in the Armed Forces |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #93 |
99. I see your point but the fact remains |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:10 AM Response to Original message |
94. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
96. The peace and love of Jesus himself has touched this thread |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
102. Who has aided and abetted Bush and Cheney more than these "men of God." |
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nevia sky (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
109. What happened to what's-his-name? Rick Warren? LOL & N/T |
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