Do the troops get checked for weapons before the president speaks in front of them?

[jenmito]

I ask because of the RW nuts who are still on this BS about Obama not being a citizen and therefore not "really" being president or CIC. I have been reading articles on the freeper site about people joining to "protect the Constitution" by "whatever means necessary." It's scary to know there are a few of these people in the military. :scared:

[lumberjack_jeff]

1. He is their commander in chief.

They don't need to like him, they need to obey him.

[jenmito]

2. I know that. I'm asking about the ones who pledge NOT to obey him...

the crazy fringe people. A few of them ARE in the military which is why I'm asking if they get searched before being in the same room as him.

[ellacott]

3. I've wondered about that also

Giving a pledge means nothing. People beak pledges all the time.

[jenmito]

5. Exactly. And there are people who are in the military who HATE Obama-there ARE

freepers in the military. It scares me.

[lumberjack_jeff]

4. They'd get dropped before taking the second step.

[jenmito]

6. It's the first step that scares me. Do you know if they're checked like regular citizens are? n/t

[rvablue]

13. Yes, of course they are. Rahm Emmanuel and David Axelrod are checked

daily too as they enter the White House.

Everyone is checked.

[TTUBatfan2008]

27. Including Barack, Michelle, Malia, and Sasha?

:silly: :rofl:

[gauguin57]

17. Well, the second shoe still made it past Bush's head. I lost confidence in the Secret Service then..

One shoe thrown at the prexy, understandable. Letting that second shoe get to him (no matter how much we may hate the man) is not doing your job.

So, I no longer believe the guy would be dropped at the second step. Third, fourth maybe.

[4lbs]

18. Why? There was no Secret Service around Bush when it happened.

Take a look at the photo. Where's the SS?






Bush felt because it was in the Green Zone being protected by the US Military, that the SS wouldn't be needed. It's his own damn fault.

[Aristus]

21. The shoe-thrower got three years for that? I'd have given him a medal.

As it stands, if I ever meet the guy IRL after his sentence is up, I'm treating him to lamb and beef on rice and his favorite soft drink.

[PRETZEL]

59. No, but Dana Perino was there

http://www.upi.com/News_Photos/view/f42b621756cc23f271a99ad0249c2a1a/White_House_Press_Secretary_Perino_suffers_a_black_eye_from_Sundays_shoe_attack/

:sarcasm:

[Oceancal]

53. They'd get dropped before taking the second step.

Not so Jeff.

You sound like Walter Sobchak who John Goodman played in the Big Labowski. Tell ya what; I get amused at the conjecture not only here but on the web. The facts are and they are deep.....there is a closed network discussion every morning gang by our Military leaders and allies, especially acute when the CIC has lost the respect of more than 40% of the participants which almost happened to Bush before the “surge” so I'm just gonna move along here and let Jeff guide your light.

[Phx_Dem]

20. Yeah, sadly not all of them take their oath to the Commander in Chief

seriously. They should be searcbed just like everyone else!

[Oceancal]

51. They don't need to like him, they need to obey him.

Nope....not at this time there Jeff.

The Pentagon and the overall military are very wary of Obama. They have internal military codes of which they live by that aren't necessarily congruent with this particular President.

After Carter's crucifixions of 30 or so American solders in that fiery crash on the Iranian desert, the Military basically made policy going forward. Carter knew it but the American People did not.

[babylonsister]

7. Just terrific. Something else

to worry about. :argh:

[jenmito]

8. Sorry. I just want to know if they're checked since there ARE freepers in the military. n/t

[DevonRex]

9. I've been afraid to ask that question, and about the pesonnel

on the helicopters and AF1, too.

Hopefully we don't have any would-be martyrs close to him.

[jenmito]

11. I've asked on other people's threads but never got a reply...

maybe nobody knows. I hope they ALL get checked.

[uponit7771]

10. IIRC EIB (Limbaughs network) has exclusives with some of the channels the military listens to...

...Limbaugh is a racist who believes the person who shot King should get a meddle.

[jenmito]

12. Really? He SAID that???

That's a perfect example of (another) racist statement he made. Dem. "strategists" need to learn about these things so they can give examples when Repubs. challenge them to come up with proof he's racist.

[Politicalboi]

15. We need to find proof

Rush is a pedophile. That would do it. His listeners don't care that he's racist. That's what they like about him.

[uponit7771]

22. Yeap, here yah go..

http://newsone.blackplanet.com/elections/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes

"...2. You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray . We miss you, James. Godspeed..."

Also Google, James Earl Ray

[jenmito]

23. Thanks!

Our Dem. strategists need to know about this stuff~

[masuki bance]

14. Obama needs his own personal security force

He needs a buffer between him and these nuts with guns.

[onenote]

25. he has one -- its called the secret service.

[masuki bance]

29. I forgot the sarcasm thingy

[onenote]

30. my bad

should've recognized it without it!

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[4lbs]

19. I don't recall seeing any troops with sidearms on them as they sat and watched President Obama speak

in his several appearances this month.

So, I would venture to say that no guns are allowed in the general area.

[Abq_Sarah]

24. I wouldn't think soldiers would be carrying weapons to a speech

If they're not on patrol, wouldn't they be in the armory (MPs excepted)?

[jenmito]

26. I'm talking about them taking weapons in that they hide. n/t

[Abq_Sarah]

28. What next?

Should the Secret Service have to pass an ideological exam to make sure they have the "correct" political affiliations before they're allowed to do their job?

Should police officers have to pass a political loyalty test before they're allowed to carry weapons around the President?

We're not some banana republic.

[jenmito]

32. How many groups were formed to try to "prove" Bush wasn't really a U.S. citizen and

therefore not "really" the president/CIC?

[Abq_Sarah]

36. How many people here claimed

Bush wasn't their President?

I imagine there were plenty of people in the military who hated his guts but they didn't take a shot at him.

[jenmito]

37. You didn't answer my question. n/t

[Abq_Sarah]

38. I found your question to be insulting to those serving in the Armed Forces

As was the premise of the thread. Those people protect and defend this country regardless of their feelings towards their CIC or the Congress.

[EFerrari]

41. Lee Harvey Oswald was once a Marine.

[fuggbush21]

43. Bush Sr. and Clinton butchered the military

ending a lot of peoples careers. You see any disgruntled service members go after them?

[EFerrari]

49. The OP isn't about our service people, is it, it's about wingnuts.

Are you telling me there's no out of control wingnuts in uniform?

[jenmito]

52. I don't buy your excuse for not answering. There ARE some people in the military who refuse

to recognize Obama as their CIC/president whether you admit it or not. They have websites claiming their job is to protect the Constitution and therefore they don't have to listen to the person THEY don't believe is a legitimate president or their legitimate CIC. Wake up.

[jenmito]

54. Then explain the quote of this active duty military man:

"Until Mr. Obama releases a 'vault copy' of his original birth certificate for public review, I will consider him neither my Commander in Chief nor my President, but rather, a usurper to the Office -- an impostor," 1st Lt. Scott R. Easterling states in his letter published at Defendourfreedoms.com.

http://www.military.com/news/article/February-2009/officer-calls-obama-usurper-imposter-president.html?col=1186032325324

[EFerrari]

40. We're not any old bannana republic. We're the world's biggest one.

And screening people for weapons has nothing to do with ideology. It's just basic safety.

[tekisui]

45. The Secret Service are screened to keep ideological nuts out,

and its a good thing.

[MajPayne2]

31. Everyone has to go through the magnetometer

when Bush came to Fort Campbell, all 13,000 of us 101st Airborne troops had to go through them. There was no bullshit tolerated.

[jenmito]

33. Thank you! Finally an answer!

:yourock:

[MajPayne2]

34. At your service!

[jenmito]

35. I'll remember that!

:D

[fuggbush21]

39. Oh come on people.

You can't be serious about this? I can honestly say that President Obama would be safer alone with anyone in the US Military, then President Bush would have been with any number of people from here. :eyes:

[EFerrari]

42. Is that you, Miss Cleo?

[tekisui]

46. Any of the people here would never have been allowed near chimpy,

first off.

And, secondly, no one here advocated physical injury to him while he was occupying the WH.

[stillcool]

48. Not true...did you ever hear..

of any group of Democrats threatening the life of Mr. Bush? Republicans love violence and killing. I think it has something to do with their lack of critical thinking skills. Hatred and violence is their only response, because it's who they are, and what they do. They are not interested in anything else. I wouldn't worry about those in the military..it's those right-wingers who are all for wars as long as they don't have to fight them that are the problem.

[jenmito]

55. Really? Then explain THIS quote from 1st Lt. Scott R. Easterling:

"Until Mr. Obama releases a 'vault copy' of his original birth certificate for public review, I will consider him neither my Commander in Chief nor my President, but rather, a usurper to the Office -- an impostor."

http://www.military.com/news/article/February-2009/officer-calls-obama-usurper-imposter-president.html?col=1186032325324

[iamthebandfanman]

57. right, because we murder people for a living...

oh wait...

[jenmito]

58. I searched your posts and you're obviously a RWer. You constantly stick up for Bush and RW ideas.

I caught you in a lie before and you didn't return to the thread. Others caught you, too:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8220207#8220441

[LostinVA]

44. Soliders aren't allowed easy access to weapons

Strange as it may sound.

And, they do indeed have to do through stringent "metal detectors."

[jenmito]

56. Thanks for the info. :)

[olegramps]

47. Do people still think that an all volunteer military is a good solution.

I will stand with my first reaction that an all volunteer military has certain inherent faults that could lead to abuses of power. It can develop a mentality not unlike that exhibited by the police. I am convinced that far too many of these young impressionable people's enthusiasm can be manipulated by their commanders who tend to be dominated by ultra-conservative war hawks.

I was flabbergasted to watch time and time again that Bush was welcomed to military bases where he was given a rousing welcome. When you consider that he avoided the draft and then didn't even complete his commitment, one who think that he would have been shunned for the coward that he is. Something is seriously wrong in my estimation.

When I served in the Army there was a cross-section of young people from college grads like myself to kids that just got out of high school. Blacks, Hispanics, White, Asia, rich kids and poor kids. We were treated exactly the same. White kids from the South soon learned that their intolerance would not go unchallenged. Kids from wealth quickly found out that the drill sergeant could gave a damn less who their father was or if you had Phd. It was one of the best experiences I have ever had. One that I wouldn't desire to repeat because of the death and destruction, but an experience that I would never choose to not have had. There is a special bonding that defies description that takes place that I don't believe is possible to experience except under those conditions. An all volunteer army is probably far more effective, but there are certain intangibles that the citizen soldier brings to the military that has a moderating influence.

[damonm]

50. Yes.

I had to before I met Reagan in 1985 - I was active duty AF, and I had to get screened like everybody else.

[jenmito]

60. Good. Thanks for your first-hand knowledge.

:hi: