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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:25 PM
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Where was the "Populist" Outrage when Billions went missing in Iraq?
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 05:27 PM by FrenchieCat
Cause weren't those Taxpayer dollars? :shrug:

So where in the fuck was it?
Cause I didn't see it on TV.
I didn't see or hear or read any of the talking head pundits repeat the word "Outrage" adnauseum.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.audit/

Why no outrage about the Iraq War lies of WMD?
Why no outrage about the Trillion spent in Iraq war?
Why no outrage about the Fake ass Private Jessica Lynch story?
Why no outrage about fake ass toppling of the Saddam Statue.

So why is the corporate media "outraged" now?
why is that?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:26 PM
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1. It went the way of the MIHOP 9/11 attacks. nt
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:28 PM
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2. Oh that little thing
I don't ever think that got any kind of traction in the media.

Just a little cash, you know.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:30 PM
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3. Billions missing in Iraq.... the companies who were responsible are
no doubt rather large donors to you know who... the ones entrusted with providing the rage when it is needed... therefore.. a lack of outrage isn't too hard to understand.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:31 PM
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4. I wish folks here, who also are playing into the "We are Outrage"
understand that they are being played.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:31 PM
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5. I wish folks here, who also are playing into the "We are Outrage" game
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 05:32 PM by FrenchieCat
understand that they are being played.
Because there is a specific reason that
the corporate media is screaming outrage....
and it has nothing to do with what
is good for us.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:31 PM
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6. No one cared because that was a righteous cause. Oh, wait...
no it wasn't.

Good question. Double standard?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:36 PM
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9. I'm just suspicious as to why the Media is outrage today.....
when there has been so much to be outraged about for so very long,
and yet all we got was outrage about a missing blonde.

My point is that there is a reason the media is doing this,
and the real question we need to ask ourselves is....
what is that reason?

Whatever the answer,
it ain't gonna be what is good for us,
and by extension, what is good for this administration.

They aren't quite as slick as they wished they were,
and we should be simply jumping through their hoops,
just cause it is there.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:42 PM
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11. Let me venture a guess. Their corporate rethug agenda?
:shrug:

fwiw, the usual suspects, like Shuster, aren't. But that's the meme of the day. And tomorrow it will be something else. I'm trying not to get so twisted about it, because the outrage du jour with this crowd does seem to change daily.

Last week President Obama was doing too much, today not enough? And this populist meme came up as soon as the outrage meme over AIG surfaced.

It's what they do!
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:45 PM
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14. I think it's because they want to play down the SBA loans available
So instead of denying loans, they can allow them with the governments backing.

But they will be there.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:32 PM
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7. $100 million cash missing, media goes ho hum
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:34 PM
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8. It was considered unpatriotic to question a President in a time of war.
So by that token Obama needs to declare war on something.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:15 PM
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19. What do you call the current military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan? n/t
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:40 PM
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10. Some network parent companies made war profits in other company divisions.
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vinylsolution Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:42 PM
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12. The day after the missing money story broke....
.... Anna Nicole Smith was suddenly found dead, and the entire corporate media bloc looked the other way.

Nothing to see here, let's cover the dead blonde instead.

Very obedient of them.




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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:54 PM
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16. Very suspicious timing.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:42 PM
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13. They were mowing
the astroturf
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:52 PM
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15. The corporatemediaWhoredom is in charge
and they will say what outrage gets showcased. Propagandistas.

The media are us.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:09 PM
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17. Here's my opinion Frenchie, I offer it free and guarantee it worth every cent.
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 06:10 PM by rhett o rick
We are seeing the capitalism end game. When Reagan released the capitalism beast we saw big fish corporations eating the little fish corporations. Then the bigger fish started eating the big fish. Now we are getting down to the point of the few giant fish eating the bigger fish. I think the corporations associated with the MSM are starting to see the writing on the proverbial wall. They ain't getting any of the trillions the the giant fish are getting.

Well, there it is Frenchie. You asked for it.

Anyone for some halibut for dinner?

Edit for spell check.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:11 PM
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18. but but but..
bush wasnt a communist muslim devil sent here to destroy the entire world!

duh!

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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:16 PM
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20. No Shit!
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:18 PM
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21. Add nearly 5000 troops, dead and thousands more of Iraqis.
People have no heart nor sense.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:39 PM
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22. Yeah, well I'm outraged at ALL of it
Sorry, I don't think AIG is being handled correctly at all. And the latest just proves it. Put the darn thing into a government sponsored receivership. They didn't do it, and now look at this mess. Yes, I am outraged. Sorry.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:47 PM
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23.  Go ahead, get really, really mad. You even have the right to explode!
Cause you are madder at these bonuses than you are about the BILLIONS given up to bail out these companies that were deregulated years ago.

You'll be even more outraged when you don't get your Health Care Reform....
considering that you are helping play into being pissed at the most recent people
to be pissed at.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:14 PM
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25. well, of course the opposition will use this
And of course I'm mad about the billions we spent to bail them out. That's the whole problem with this. It wasn't done right in the first place or this never would have come up.

But, that's what you get when you make the head of the NY Fed the Treasury Secretary. Clueless, I tell ya. And Summers is even worse. Have you read about his tenure at Harvard? Honestly, the guy claims to be so outraged, and I just think it is a crock, given his history.

I'm a huge Obama supporter, so this is upsetting to me. Maybe Cuomo can dig them out of this mess. I hope so.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:16 AM
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39. Cuomo can 'dig them out' of what?
Isn't it Cuomo's job...just like it was Spitzer's before him? Spitzer sure got rewarded for all that he attempted to do, didn't he? The Feds were too busy to investigate Wall Street, but not too busy to sting Spitzer. I'm so tired of the incessant talking points.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 11:33 AM
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42. I'm just hoping that Cuomo isn't
doing the same thing as Spitzer to set himself up as a target. I think it is a real stretch to say that AIG is breaking the law here. From all indications, even the Justice Department, AIG is bound by law to make these payments.

But, I'm all for Cuomo going after the details of this--who, how much, when, etc. and see what happens. It's just that it seems probably there aren't laws being broken.

If we had put this into a resolution trust corporation, we could be paying back companies, not at 100% of face value for essentially worthless bonds, but something a lot less, and we would have control over contracts like this. Instead we have the Obama administration flailing around and seemingly helpless. Just ridiculous! It is one of the biggest mistakes made, so far.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:24 PM
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45. I'm not understanding this..
From what I recall.."Something needed to be done"..hence the bail-out. I was under the impression that Paulson did not have to say who the bail-out money went to, and the receivers did not have to report what they did with it. So the Obama Administration takes office, and now AIG should be/have been put into a 'resolution trust company'. Is there a line of cause and effect, or logic anywhere that can explain the hoops we've gone through that legitimize or explain the varying opinions of who should have done what, when?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 01:50 PM
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46. They are all targets......
anyone against status quo.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:00 PM
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24. Just to add;
"No Shit"

I think the simple answer is that the defense contractors own more of the corporate media than Wall Street ever did.

Connaitre?
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:17 PM
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26. More than $125 billion missing, including $9 billion soon after Paul Bremer stepped down.
Also, the Pentagon has said it can't keep track of more than $2 trillion in assets!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:57 PM
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31. But that's honkey dorey!
But the AIG thing....well that cannot stand, AND ITS ALL OBAMA AND HIS WALL STREET CRONIES (that have never worked on Wall Street or for banks) FAULT!

What-E-ver! :eyes:
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:40 PM
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27. Taxpayers dollars only matter when they go to "the undeserving."
And as we all know, Iraqi children are richly deserving of bullets and bombs. They did 9/11. Or at least some Arab did. Probably Saddam Bin Laden.

Outrage is to be reserved for when taxpayer dollars are actually wasted - that is to say, spent on things other than war and rich people.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:44 PM
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28. People, this actually was a"pallet of hard cash (the greenies that disappeared and
the story CNN / MSNBC desperately needed to fade and it did!
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:49 PM
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29. Most "fiscal conservatives" are willing to exempt any military-related spending
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 09:52 PM by last_texas_dem
from criticism.

At least, this has been my experience from discussions with most of these folks.

They'll get all bent out of shape and have their undergarments in a twist over "pork-barrel" spending or any sort of spending on social programs, but become strangely silent in their criticism of *anything* spending-wise related to the military. Even obviously wasteful, unneeded military-related "pork", even tax dollars wasted in corruption= if it is at all, somehow related to military or war, "fiscal conservatives" and "small government" Libertarians inevitably fall strangely silent...
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:54 PM
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30. Brilliant question. eom
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:59 PM
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32. Thank you.
Unfortunately, they won't be many in the media "investigating" and getting to the bottom of this one! They wouldn't have wanted anyone to be caught unprepared....
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:01 PM
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33. Don't forget the 3 trillion missing out of the Pentagon..
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 10:12 PM by winyanstaz
that was reported the day before 9-11, which, by the way, wiped out the very offices that held all the evidence regarding the missing 3 trillion of the Pentagon's big boo-boo in accounting (low and behold the office was located in the exact spot that was struck in Pentagon building. Main stream Media forgot to be "outraged" about that.
We also promise to remember that 9-11 also managed to wipe out the evidence regarding the Enron scandal. (low and behold the office where all the evidence regarding Enron was kept was also in the exact offices distroyed on 9-11).
We have noticed that Main Stream Media failed to be "outraged" about that. However, please rest assured that the American people are outraged about it and growing more so daily.
Why no "outrage" over the thousands of American troops that have died for lies and the hundred of thousands of dead and mangled innocent civilians in both Iraq and Pakistan? Don't you people in the halls of power believe that We the People can remember anything? Don't you think someone should be "outraged" about that?
How about if you could manage just to be a little "Outraged" for all the dead and raped and tortured children and men and women of those nations? Could you spare a tiny bit of "outrage" for them?
I got news for you..we will NEVER forget and the wheels of Justice WILL turn.
Don't be whining Corporate American Media and begging us for bail-outs when you go belly up because no one is watching your spoon-fed propaganda any longer. A lot of us didn't buy it then and many more of us are NOT buying it now.
Thankfully the rest of the Nation is also becoming wiser.
I think if you were wise, all you lying miserable propagandists...my suggestion is that it might be a good time you packed your bags and got out of because if you don't, I have the feeling there will be plenty of "Outrage" when those wheels finally turn.
"The Wheels of Justice turn exceedingly slow but they grind exceedingly fine." or something to that effect...;)
I am just reporting on a huge grinding sound I am hearing in the background and it is getting louder by the day.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:02 PM
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34. it's easy to forget, when there is no Outrage instructions
given by our media.
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:53 PM
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35. FAUX would like you to know they were outraged
They held President Bush's feet to the fire over that phony intelligence and the Iraq war. They were so outraged that they had a whole 20 second clip that they ran between the hours of 3 AM and 4 AM over and over the whole hour, on one day back in March, with many FAUX pundits expressing that outrage. Then they decided it was best for the country to move on.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:27 AM
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36. and it wasn't put on Youtube! :(
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:36 AM
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37. It doesn't exist, defense spending is sacred in our political culture
If you dare claim that a penny of it was wasteful spending you are labeled as weak on defense.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:08 AM
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38. Yeah..they're way late to the 'outrage' party...
but what the hey, they're having the party now, so let's all play!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:59 AM
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40. I don't think that the party is actually in our honor.....
I'm sure that I'll be a cassandra sooner than later, when I say that this
will be an issue used by the GOP, because the media is just about to blame
Barack Obama and his administration for it....not because it makes sense,
but because they can.

AIG is in the business of insurancing risk, so of course they have had to pay
out claims made by those they insured. But somehow, the press is adding this
on as a reason to be outraged.

They are stirring the pot, and we are tasting the soup.
We will be sorry for it, but for now, folks should rail on....I guess.


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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 11:16 AM
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41. I think their parties are always..
in our honor. How else would we know to dance?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 11:58 AM
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43. Point taken.
Although we are all so wise, damn-near economists and shit. :rofl:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:04 PM
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44. well hell..you don't need..
to know the words of the song to dance to the tune!!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:09 PM
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47. went? hell, billions are STILL going missing over there
don't think that the pentagon just out of nowhere started to keep strict accounts just because there is a name change on the white house mailbox....
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:16 PM
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48. It was squashed by the media and the threat of being called unpatriotic.
That is how it is always done. This country is driven by the media and it's citizens have forgotten how to think for themselves.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:26 PM
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49. The corporatemediawhoredom kept it
underwraps but if anyone starts moaning about this faux outrage to me I will bring up the Billions Missing in Iraq.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:28 PM
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50. Good question. I suggested "IAG bonuses=red herring" and got panned for it. nt
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:31 PM
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51. That was to "protect our freedoms" as a RWer said when asked this very
Edited on Tue Mar-17-09 03:32 PM by jenmito
question yesterday on Hardball IIRC. And you can't worry about spending money to "keep us safe." :eyes:
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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:48 PM
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52. "Why is that?" you ask!
How about, as much as the "wrong" wing would like us to believe, the media was -- and still is -- in the pocket of the Rethuglican Party. It was the media that carried the water for Dick(tator) Cheney and his trusty sidekick Bush. The media played part in the robbing of the US Treasury. This is why there was "No Outrage".

I wish the Congress and Senate would step up to the plate and investigate that entire ordeal. They were willing to spend millions on a stained blue dress. But, they are not willing to investigate the robbing of the US Treasury Department.
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