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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 11:28 PM
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US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock (Damn, Bush's abstinence not working??????)
Edited on Wed Mar-18-09 11:30 PM by KansasVoter
Teen birth rate up! Abstinence not working? How could George Bush be wrong??

ATLANTA – Remember the baby boom? No, not the one after World War II. More babies were born in the United States in 2007 than any other year in the nation's history — and a wedding band made increasingly little difference in the matter. The 4,317,119 births, reported by federal researchers Wednesday, topped a record first set in 1957 at the height of the baby boom.

Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the U.S. population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090319/ap_on_he_me/med_baby_boomlet
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 11:36 PM
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1. Why is a greater-than-replacement birthrate described as a "healthy trend"?
Healthy for whom? Certainly not the ecology.

:banghead:
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:21 AM
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4. The U.S. is faaaaar from Malthusian pressures
We can feed ourselves several times over. A growing population means a more sustainable economy in the medium run.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:24 AM
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5. How so?
The medium run turns into the long run. If you are arguing that we need more babies now to be a tax base and take care of the elderly population now, understand that those babies will grow old and require an even BIGGER population to sustain them, based on the same model. And so on and so on. Where does it end?
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:38 AM
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7. We won't be able to feed ourselves if we keep paving over more and more good farmland.
More people equals more concrete because you can't force people to live where they don't want to unless we're going to have national zoning. Try getting that through Congress and past the courts.

We can't have a sustainable economy until we get to a sustainable ecosystem. Our agriculture may not be sustainable, either. We already import as much food as we export on a dollar basis, and I don't think that's a good sign.

Another huge cohort of people isn't the answer.

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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 11:44 AM
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14. Do you realize the implication of what you are saying?
That it is more likely or more appropriate to legislate sterilization or other forced birth control than it is to legislate zoning?

Holy shit.
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:21 AM
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2. I never understood why they decide to have kids so young......
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 01:22 AM by Joe the Liberal
I remember seeing a few pregnant girls back in high school about 2 years ago and I always wondered "why do they decide to have kids at this age?"

It just makes no sense, you have your whole life ahead of you to have kids but you decide to have them at 17-19? What future do you have when you're busy caring for a baby when you should be focused on school getting your education?

and not only that but overpopulation is an issue we WILL have to deal with at some point if this trend keeps up.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:22 AM
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3. I blame the early primary season
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 01:22 AM by PBS Poll-435
:sarcasm:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:33 AM
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6. I'm sure Sarah Palin is absolutely shocked by this news
:evilgrin:
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:46 AM
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8. What's wrong with a high teen birth rate?
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 03:46 AM by woolldog
That means healthier babies on average doesn't it?

I don't like how the article suggests that's automatically a bad thing.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:37 AM
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12. Teens without health insurance
and fully mature yet. Physically they are, but they still have a lot of emotional growing to do.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:18 PM
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15. Teens are much more likely to have health insurance than
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 01:19 PM by woolldog
adults, since they're probably dependents. They are usually still on their parents insurance.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:22 PM
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16. There is more to consider than physical health.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 07:24 AM
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9. Au contraire.
That means abstinence-only is working exactly as it is designed to work.
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ksoze Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 07:26 AM
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10. The Pope wants a larger increase
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:35 AM
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11. That should be Bush's abstinence only plan
Promoting Abstinence is fine, I'm even fine with the Pope saying that abstinence is the best solution, for birth control or aids. However, the only part is the problem, it is not the only answer, just the best and most effective answer. Promote abstinence, but teach the kids how to take care of themselves if they don't choose it. Same with Aids, promote abstinence, but using condoms is not more dangerous.

In other words, stop lying about it.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 11:42 AM
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13. Yes, MORE people is always the solution
Something tells me that if we're ever short of people, we can just open the door a bit wider and we'd be flooded with people wanting to live here rather than some third-world hellhole. Upgrade to this second-world hellhole.



"But Marge, New York is a hellhole, and you know how I feel about hellholes!"
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