I have noticed that people are growing more and more angry at the elite

[Sarah Ibarruri]

And the anger at the crimes, greed and enrichment of the rich on the backs of the middle and working classes, has been growing for a while now. They brought our country to the hunger and destitution of a depression, and even have the nerve of whining because they can't use our taxes to pay themselves millions in bonuses.

:argh:


<b> Look at this article about anger at the rich: http://www.welt.de/english-news/article1969590/Anger_at_the_rich_rises_in_the_USA.html

Look at this one about anger at the health gap between the rich and the poor: http://www.itv.com/News/Articles/Anger-as-richpoor-health-gap-grows-668484403.html </b>

Just read posts on DU and other blogs and message boards. People are SO ANGRY at the elite that brought us to this point.

:mad:

But let us not lose sight of two things:

(1) Republicans from Reagan to the present have been deregulating everything so that the rich could do this;

(2) Obama inherited this sh*t, and we're expecting him to wave a magic wand and change EVERY institution in the U.S. and magically suddenly reverse 30 years of Republican damage done.

So let's keep our eye on the ball as we work towards an equitable country again and encourage Obama to abandon the scumbuckets who caused all this. Let's continue to put the blame on the ones who did this: the REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!


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[jody]

1. I hope that anger causes voter rebellion to kick out every incumbent until We the People recapture

our government from the corporatists who now own a majority of the votes in our Senate and House.

TODAY UNDER THE CORORATISTS



TOMORROW UNDER WE THE PEOPLE

[stillcool]

3. "we the people" will do no such thing...

'we the divided people' are more willing to fight amongst each other, than to bond together for any common cause. The only thing that is united is our ability to dance to the tune the tv sings. I think the only thing that has changed about our government, is that the the power is now more absolute, more interconnected, and more global.

[jody]

11. Sadly I agree, Rove mastered using divisive, polarizing political issues to get appointed and

reappointed a person who was clearly incompetent to serve as president.

Start with four or five such issues, each with about 5% loyal, single-issue supporters, and add 30% more of the voters who are easily misled by sound bites tailored to their ethnic and cultural lifestyle and you can get an idiot elected.

I had a bumper sticker "BUSH LIED" and once parked beside a truck with the sticker "VILLAGE IN TEXAS LOST ITS IDIOT", in a very, very Republican area.

Together we made a political statement.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

13. We must not let it happen again (allow an idiot puppet of the elite to be elected) nt

[johnlucas]

50. It was WAY before Rove

Y'all give this idiot too much credit. He's just some Texas shyster in with the Bushes. There's a million guys like him. He's nothing special.

The ONLY reason the Wealthy EVER got over on the people who created the wealth was because those people LET them.
And they let them by fighting themselves over minor and nonsensical issues instead of taking the fight to the ones responsible for their misery.

This is as old as civilization & even older than that.
The sad fact is, no, you will never get full unity amongst the human species. We're not programmed to stand united.
The best you can hope for is a united enough coalition for a specific period of time to work in one direction to undo a bad order.
If you're lucky, the dissension won't occur before you complete the mission. It will always happen afterwards.

This is how we ended up looking so differently that we ended up calling each other a "race". In ancient times, some of us separated from the rest most likely because the tribe would not stay cohesive & got transformed by the new environments we traveled to.

Recognize what we truly are & make plans that account for this reality. Otherwise you're barking up the wrong tree if you expect any long term united front with human beings. And that's real.
John Lucas

[jody]

51. I said "Rove mastered", I did not say "Rove invented". I stand by my opinion & I accept yours. n/t

[defendandprotect]

7. 2010 is coming quickly . . . Democrats better be ready to deal with this anger . . .

otherwise, I predict a large Green vote ---

and let's hope IRV voting is in place by then -- !!!

[Davis_X_Machina]

16. There will be no large green vote.

There will be a turn to the usual purveyors of scapegoats and easy answers -- the GOP.

Civic virtue is hard work, and the common good has no natural political constituency.

[defendandprotect]

37. Personally, I'm of the opinion that the Republicans are finished . . .

I think they'll push Newt and his "Commies/Chinese are coming!" mantra --
and he is an able propagandist and liar, but I still think GOP will be seen
as fatal to the interests of America.

Here in NJ we have a large turn out for Democrats which provides cover for
a large Green vote.

IMO, what is wrong with America is computer voting which has been with us since
the mid-1960's and late 1960's so I'd suggest that every election since then is
in question.

Needless to say, the fact that candidates have to compete for elite/corporate
dollars rather than voter's interests - continues to add up to the buying of government.

We have major issues Dems are not attending to ---

RE-REGULATING CAPITALISM . . .

REINSTATING NEW DEAL REGULATIONS/LAWS, especially anti-trust and anti-monopoly.

CONTROLLING THE FEDERAL RESERVE/PUTTING IT UNDER THE TREASURY.

ENDING THE WARS which they were elected to do in 2006 -- as confirmed by Pelosi.

PASSING SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE -- which Obama once supported and turned from --
and moving to prevention rather than cures.

Nationalizing failed banks and auto companies and protecting the workers.

Getting electric cars on the roads --- converting gas-guzzlers to hybrids.

Facing the realities of Global Warming.

And other incidentals, like tearing up the Patriot Act and ensuring that NO ADMINISTRATION
can ever again embark on TORTURE. Getting FEMA out of the fascist mode and back into
rescue.

Rescuing our schools from right-wing control/programs which are intended to destroy public
education.

Re-affirming Constitutional rights -- including the Bill of Rights -- via national campaign.

[cali]

39. not likely. more likely that people will simply vote repub

and there's exactly zero chance of IRV being in place by 2010.

[Davis_X_Machina]

2. There was never yet a mob...

...that could tell the difference between a good elite and a bad elite, and many of us who post here would be targets. Got a university education? Target. Got a white collar job? Target. Have any job at all? Target?

Anyone planning on harnessing that anger is mounting a tiger, a tiger they will not be able to dismount without being eaten themselves.

No law says the good guys have to win, and an 'equitable country' could be one where we all are equal because we go to the only church, and all hate the same Others.

[Jennicut]

4. Exactly. There are good elites and bad elites.

Not everything is in black and white.

[JVS]

9. That's just elitist fear-mongering.

The people know the score

[Davis_X_Machina]

12. 'The people...'

...are just as likely to call for, and deliver, solutions we don't like as those we do.

'The people' in the aggregate possess no special virtue -- as such, 'the people' don't actually exist.

They're not a monolith, for starters, and even understood in their plurality and in their division 'the people' have interests and enemies that need to be judged just as critically as those of any other player.

[JVS]

21. It's the people's country. Fuck whomever stands in the way of the great democracy!

[Davis_X_Machina]

23. All power to the Soviets of peasants and workers!

[JVS]

25. Sometimes a little Cultural Revolution is just what the doctor ordered

[Odin2005]

30. Totalitarian-sounding crap.

:puke:

[defendandprotect]

38. Well, guess that sums up the founders?

[defendandprotect]

10. Elites are victims of elites . . . no honesty among thieves . . . and elites . ..

find that out very quickly as they are knocked off --

"Capitalism isn't about competititon . . . it's about killing the competition" --!!!

There is such a thing as POSITIVE anger -- anger doesn't have to be destructive.

Obama needs to turn to FDR and New Deal solutions -- RE-REGULATE -- and

move away from the DLC corporate-drive solutions!!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

15. There's a gigantic difference between the elite with mass power who brought this country to its

knees (for example, the Republicans in politics), and an ordinary worker in a decent neighborhood who, when all is said and done, could end up as homeless as anybody else.

[tomreedtoon]

31. "I am Cinna the poet! I am Cinna the poet!"

"Tear him for his bad verses, tear him for his bad verses."

Sorry, but collateral damage is necessary. If you're going to kill the Wall Street bastards, you will inevitably have to take out some of their secretaries, their executive assistants, and whatever the hell they call those Starbucks idiots that sell overpriced coffee.

This is assuming that you really do want to stop the bastards permanently, and want to do something far more effective than writing letters to the editor expressing your outrage. Remember, you can't break eggs without making an omelette.

[leftstreet]

34. You mean 'group' not 'mob,' right? n/t

[JVS]

5. Well a good leader should be able to channel all that hatred and rage into a powerful political tool

I hope Obama is up to the task.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

17. Obama is always up to the task. He's a very strong man tho he may be skinny nt

[JVS]

20. Maybe, maybe not. A lot of his cabinet picks have sucked, and his handling of the crisis seems...

lackluster.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

26. He's a young guy who figured that picking old Clinton picks would help him out some

So since he's pretty young, he's less and less having to rely on people with previous experience maybe?

[MarjorieG]

22. He is, but Dems stopping measures for homeowners, taxes to pay for health care, more.

All lobbyist and insurance power. I worry about the public part of the public/private health insurance with Medicare. This crisis should not endanger stating the right way; he was against mandates, now plan seems more like Hillary's and not to my liking.

[JVS]

24. I don't see what the problem is. 64% like him, and many are pissed off...

he should be telling "centrist" dems to get the fuck in line or they'll get it.

[MarjorieG]

36. It's the lobbyists and insurance companies. Darn it.

[defendandprotect]

46. DLC influence will be telling him the opposite . . . it's corporate-driven . . .

[defendandprotect]

47. Keep forgetting to tune into Senate via internet since Comcast took it away -- !!!

So good to have some news of what is actually happening ---
and presume they'll be up for a Spring break soon!

What did they do with Feingold's suggestion that they lose the right to raise
their own salaries? Anything on that yet?

Agree -- Medicare privatization should be ended -- think Perot had part of that in
running some of the accounting? Wasn't that what his fortunes were based upon?
Also, privatization came in with Drug Plan. All of that should be ended.
And, then remove age restrictions and we have Single Payer Health Care!

One of our problems is that government has been made so small -- too small to compete
with corporate power!!!

Obama once supported Single Payer --- then turned from it.
We have to get him back on the right path!

Also, we have to keep reminding Du'ers that expressing themselves here at DU is NOT
the same thing as expressing themselves to Obama or their Senators and Reps!!!

[defendandprotect]

40. Is all anger to be feared? Is all revolution to be feared?

In the sense that there is always someone on the right to re-direct justified anger

and to re-direct a revolution . . . yes!

There is such a thing as justified anger --- which results in wisdom and common sense solutions.

There is also such a thing as justified revolution -- to end wars and fascism.

Obama doesn't have to reinvent the wheel . . . he has only to turn to FDR and the New Deal

for all the solutions and wisdom he needs to deal with this latest era of criminal capitalism.


End computer voting which has put all results back to the 1960's in question.

Bar corporations from any participation whatsoever in our elections.

STOP the privatization of government and the military.

[defendandprotect]

6. Obama has FDR and New Deal as precedent--he doesn't have to reinvent the wheel--!!!

This is all simply a criminal repeat by capitalists/elite --

This has been going on since the New Deal was passed in their trying to knock it over.

Obama has to re-regulate capitalism...

All the precedents for dealing with this emergency are on the books or ready to be

reinstated!!!

Obama has to turn towards FDR -- not the DLC -- if he wants to solve these problems.

And, if he doesn't, the Dems next election is going to be looming FAST ---

[Waiting For Everyman]

8. Exactly. n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

19. I like this part of what you said:

"This is all simply a criminal repeat by capitalists/elite --

This has been going on since the New Deal was passed in their trying to knock it over."

[terisan]

14. It was Republican philosophy but Dems consistently voted for the worst of it.

Dems are already taking campaign contributions from the bailed out banks--just as they did before.

So we taxpayers are funding sleazy lawmakers of both parties.

Unfortunately Obama got over 900 000 thousand from just Goldman Sachs in the last election cycle--not even counting what he got from the rest of Wall Street.

This is no longer Dem or Republican--this is the governmental/corporate axis and it is destroying our country.

Bush and the Democrats did the Fall, 2008 bailout-major opposition was from the Republican party.

Dems and Money----Heck even Claire McCaskill is worth over 20 million and the net worth of our representatives skyrockets while they are in office.

For the most part, their finacial self interests and mine are divergent.

I think this is a case where Dems and Repubs have to be scared by the citizenry into doing the right thing.

Watch for Congressional Financial Self-Disclosure Reports due in May. Wonder how many lost substantial amounts.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

27. I personally think that as long as our election system...

requires huge amounts of money to run, and as long as Americans vote for the person they most see on TV, politicians will continue to require money from the rich and special interest.

A lot must be changed. For ex.:

(1) Have TV, radio, and newspapers give equal, free, campaign time to politicians running, and no more extra time may be bought by anyone for the candidate, not even PAC groups.
(2) Remove tax-exempt status more quickly from churches when these involve themselves even remotely in actual politics.
(3) Pass laws making professional lobbying of any sort illegal. Requests of politicians must be done publicly via open public request, and these published online and searchable by subject, geographical area, date, names, etc.
(4) Make it illegal for any politician to hold any corporate or board posts of any industry they even remotely worked for, for 10 years after they are no longer in office.
(5) The politicians must pay for their own meals at all times, and if they're found to be socializing with anyone who is lobbying for special laws, they must be indicted.
(6) Tampering with elections must be punished by a very lengthy prison sentence, or life.
(7) When redistricting is going to be done, this must first go before a panel with equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans selected blindly via lottery (like a jury) before it can be done.

[terisan]

32. Great Rules-I would add: debates managed again by League of Women Voters-not media. nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

33. Oh ABSOLUTELY! Take the media out of the damned thing entirely

Great idea

[defendandprotect]

48. Some great suggestions there . ..

I think we also have to end computer voting which has given them the ability to
steal larger blocs of votes from longer distances.

Public financing laws -- make everything else illegal.

Great post!

[defendandprotect]

42. If you want to break the cycle ---

get rid of computer voting --

And move to IRV voting --

Ban any corporate participation in our elections whatsoever --

and make the taking of contributions illegal!

Put a system of public financing in place -- totally controlled as to when, where

and how the candidates will speak -- debates, etal -- and make any other contributions

ILLEGAL!

[MarjorieG]

18. The elite of both parties are fighting O's attempts at fairness on mortgages and taxes.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

28. This is the best time I have personally lived through to change the laws, rules and regulations

that give the rich the upper hand and the control on everything.

[defendandprotect]

43. The elites control government . . . as always!

[Odin2005]

29. Unfortunately the MSM is trying to channel it into a hatred of Obama and Geithner.

Look at all the BS on DU lately.

[defendandprotect]

45. DU'ers are not allowed to take exception to bailouts . . . bonuses?

DLC solutions which are corporate-driven -- ??

Fed decisions which favor private interests -- ??

[Better Believe It]

35. Angry at the rich? So am I. You ain't seen nothing yet!

[Vinca]

41. To be fair, you have to distinguish between the good rich and the bad rich.

Good rich is you earned it legitimately - or even inherited it - and you do some good with it. Bad rich are the greedy, MFers who want their multimillion dollar bonuses after running schemes based on fraud that brought down the entire economy.

[defendandprotect]

44. We have to restore the inheritance taxes . . . for just one thing!

As they say, behind any great wealth is great crime!

The original wealth comes from the nation's land and natural resources -- animal-life -

all exploited by capitalism -- and, incidentally, land stolen from Native Americans!!

To say that we are redistributing wealth if it is taken back from the rich is ludicrous!

The wealth of the planet belongs to every living being --- and is not to be exploited

nor abused.

The elites are beneficiaries of control over that wealth and our natural resources since

the first days of this new nation -- and the handing out of land grants.

A privileged society for white males and landowners!

[butterfly77]

49. Kick &Recommended!

SAY IT AGAIN!

[butterfly77]

52. I hear a little about this on the news ..

But I have been having trouble finding the stories or pictures about this online. I saw some pictures of people protesting on wall street and telling them to jump but you never hear these stories at length on the mainstream media. Do you or anyone else know of some sites where they have pictures of these and other protests..