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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:02 PM
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Barbituate Left
I first saw this article months ago, I find it as applicable as ever:

<snip>
The humorlessness of the far left -- to which I remain connected ideologically if not organizationally -- has always struck me as one of its greatest weaknesses. People like to laugh, they like to smile, they like to be joyful, and an awful lot of hardened leftists seem almost utterly incapable of doing any of these things. It's as if they have all taken a pledge that there should be no laughter until the revolution, or some such shit. No positivity, no hope, no happiness so long as people are still poor and exploited and being murdered by cops, and victimized by United States militarism, or performing as wage slaves for global capital, or eating meat, or driving cars. And they wonder why the left is so weak?

Now, in the wake of Barack Obama's victory these barbiturate leftists are back in full effect, lecturing the rest of us about how naive we are for having any confidence whatsoever in him, or for voting at all, since "the Democrats and Republicans are all the same," and he supports FISA and the war with Afghanistan, and all kinds of other messed up policies just like many on the right. Those of us who find any significance in the election of a man of color in a nation founded on white supremacy are fools who "drank the kool-aid," unlike they, whose clear-headed radical consciousness leads them to recognize the superior morality of Ralph Nader, or the pure "scientific wisdom of chairman Bob Avakian," or the intellectual profundity of their favorite graffiti bomb: "If voting changed anything it would be illegal." Yeah, and if body piercings and anarchy tats changed anything, they would be too, and then what would some folks do to be "different?" (Note: there is nothing wrong with either type of adornment, but getting either or both doesn't make you a revolutionary, any more than voting, that's all I'm saying).

These are people who think being agitators is about pissing people off more than reaching out to them. So they pull out their "Buck Fush" signs at their repetitively irrelevant antiwar demonstrations, or their posters with W sporting a Hitler mustache, because that tends to work so well at convincing folks to oppose the slaughter in Iraq. But effectiveness isn't what matters to them. What matters to them is raging against the machine for the sake of rage itself. Their message is simple: everything sucks, the earth is doomed, all cops are brutal, all soldiers are baby-killers, all people who work for corporations are evil, blah, blah, blah, right on down the line. It's as if much of the left has become co-dependent with despondency, addicted to its own isolation, and enamored of its moral purity and unwillingness to work with mere liberals. In the name of ideological asceticism, they spurn the hard work of movement building and inspiring others to join the struggle, snicker at those foolish enough to not understand or appreciate their superior philosophical constructs, and then act shocked when their movements and groups accomplish exactly nothing. But honestly, who wants to join a movement filled with people who look down on you as a sucker?


<snip>

In other words, what the 60s freedom struggle took for granted, but which the cynical barbiturate left refuses to concede, is the basic goodness of the people of this nation, and the ability of the nation, for all of its faults (and they are legion) to change. Look at pictures of the freedom riders in 1961, or the volunteers during Freedom Summer of 1964 and notice the dramatic difference between them and some of the seething radicals of today -- whose radicalism is almost entirely about style and image more than actual analysis and movement building. In the case of the former, even as they stared down mobs intent on injuring or killing them, and even as they knew they might be murdered, they smiled, they laughed, they sang, they found joy. In the case of the latter, one most often notices an almost permanent scowl, a dour and depressing affect devoid of happiness, unable to appreciate life until the state is smashed altogether and everyone is subsisting on a diet of wheatgrass, bean curd and tempeh.

http://www.alternet.org/election08/108746/?page=1

I would also add that many who never set foot in the proverbial trenches are quick to discount hard won victories cause they had nothing to do with the effort (unless you count pontificating on the tubes).

Julie



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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:05 PM
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1. Piece of shit hit piece then, piece of shit hit piece now.
"thanks" for reposting. :eyes:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:21 PM
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3. Brilliant rebuttal.
Truly worthy of the current DU. Sadly.

Julie
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:28 PM
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5. I already analyzed this POS once.
If you're really curious search the archives. :eyes:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:25 PM
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10. Actually I'm not.
Not particularloy curious about what you said the first time (I musta missed first time this was posted) as your comments today are pretty good indicators of what your comments then probably were.

Julie
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 06:07 PM
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24. Of course you're not.
Wouldn't want to interrupt your little hate on the activists pow-wow with any sort of critical thinking now would we?
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 07:08 AM
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30. "hate on the activists"???
lol! Sorry but I don't consider the shit throwing monkey brigade on the tubes in the same league as actual activists.

And critical thinking, yeppers, I see by your posts in this thread you're a master of it. But hey, thanks for the kicks.

Now go re-load your backpack with more shit, it's a new day and there's no doubt lots of shit-flinging to be done. Here's a new pic for your sig-line:





Julie
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 12:51 PM
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37. So now I'm the one slinging shit?
Edited on Mon Mar-23-09 12:51 PM by Runcible Spoon
I'm not the one posting hit pieces about liberals that have already been dissected here. I think it's ironic that the only argument you can muster is to attack me with relentless ad homs as opposed to actually defending the article. This puts me in high doubts that you actually read it to begin with.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:52 PM
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58. Re-read your first reply to the OP
So yeah, from the beginning of this discussion you were in the shit-flinging monkey brigade. Sorry.

Julie
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:58 PM
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59. Attacking the article is not shit slinging as it was not an ad hom.
You started in with the personal attacks.

I wish you could give up the divide and conquer and get on board to push for progressive change. It's what Obama wants and expects from us.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 05:07 PM
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65. it has nothing to do with the Internet
Edited on Mon Mar-23-09 05:11 PM by Two Americas
The same argument is happening offline, as well.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:24 PM
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8. But he has a Foucault quote in his sig line...
Hence, he's smarter than you.

:sarcasm:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:32 PM
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13. Damn, guess I was too simple minded to notice!
:toast:
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:41 PM
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21. *she*
thanks anyways :eyes:
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:36 PM
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15. I disagree
Just look in the lounge. Wicked sense of humor there most of the time. Look at the Duzys. One can be concerned and worried and yet still maintain a great sense of humor. I see it all the time on this board.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:06 PM
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16. There's no doubt about the brilliant humor here
But currently it seems to mostly occupy the lounge more than anything. Look around, how many posts are there about Krugman? DU, in some ways, has become even worse than the corporate media.

I think Obama's doing a fine job with the catastrophe he's in herited. Then I come to DU and see that I am either an idiot and don't realize he's so very much like Bush or many barbituate left members have signed on in the last couple/few years.

Julie
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:29 PM
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18. Most people on this board do not fit the description of the OP
its a small but vocal bunch who gang up and piss vinegar in threads and link to anti Obama hit pieces all day. Most of us are still generally supportive and will criticize when President Obama makes a mistake, but we still hope for and expect the best.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 06:03 PM
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69. Wow. I've been reading DU for 6 years and this is the 1st nice thing I've read about the Lounge
It's usually sneeringly referred to as a high school cafeteria or something, except by the regulars who frequent, there of course. :)
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 09:51 AM
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33. wow, that article must have really hit close to home, eh? here, you need one of these;
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:11 PM
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40. I thought it was the "barbituate left" that was humorless (?)
How sad you thought that was funny enough to post TWICE.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:06 PM
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2. I am all for pushing leftists ideas but this sentence really hits home for me
"In the name of ideological asceticism, they spurn the hard work of movement building and inspiring others to join the struggle, snicker at those foolish enough to not understand or appreciate their superior philosophical constructs, and then act shocked when their movements and groups accomplish exactly nothing. But honestly, who wants to join a movement filled with people who look down on you as a sucker?"

Because I am not outraged enough at every little thing I feel not good enough or cool enough or something.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:23 PM
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4. Hah!
Hate to say it, but hypocrisy comes to mind. I have witnessed many a "lefty" exhibit many of the characteristics in your OP.

The sternness, the 'my way or the highway' and the higher plateaus of their being have been reasons many causes falter, but still, the other side is the chief cause. Hard as it may be, we must nurse such reactionaries along for we do need their energy and enthusiasm.

Recently I have experienced it here on DU with election reform. But since there were so very many who were level headed we finally did score a great victory.

So, while it is easy and sometimes fun to bash our own that are on the extremes, it does pay to hold their dry hands and lead them into the promised land.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:08 PM
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26. Exactly. We are not perfect and ideological pure so we are no better then the corporatists to them.
It's nauseating.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:11 PM
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6. What utter and complete BULLSHIT - but "thanks" for your "concern"...
you can add this to all your other bullshit useless posts...
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:24 PM
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9. Yeah, I know.
I ain't part of the shit flinging monkey brigade. Just a lowly foot soldier in the trenches for years, helping to do a lot of things in the real world. Utterly useless shit. Gotcha. Thanks.

Julie--who marvels at the whiners taking offense for being identified as such
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 09:53 AM
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34. you're offended because the article fits you to a t... you need one of these;
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:20 PM
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46. Um, "the sheep" of the party are not us leftists but the "stand in line" New Democrats and those ...
Obama adorers who will NOT take their blinders off to see that he is "A Corporate DLCer."

The right wing corporate republicans AND DEMOCRATS are at war with the working wage-slave American.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:06 PM
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60. the article is not about all liberals, the mantle you are trying to claim, it's about naderesque
Edited on Mon Mar-23-09 02:07 PM by dionysus
people like you who don't know how do do anything but wail and gnash on the internet that nothing is pure enough for you.

Just like everyone here now fancy themselves economic experts (caus they read krugmans article\blog posts) who think they know better than else what the solutions are to all our problems.

people who are hyperventilating less than two months into this term how all is lost.

and you wonder why we lose elections...
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 05:13 PM
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66. Considering how FEW far left leaning individuals who are now in the USA, it's not incorrect
to believe that the author is musing about those of us who would be considered Moderate Liberals in the 1970s.

Our beloved country has moved so far to the corporate right, that those who should be republicans have changed teams but have NOT changed their Corporations First Stripes. :(
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 06:32 PM
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70. i agree with most of what you say but i have not written off improvements just yet
:hi:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:20 PM
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7. The left's scope is far too big.
We need to focus on a few key issues and ignore the rest. Health Care reform should replace Gun Control, National Labor should replace International Labor, and economic equality should replace any social crusades that may have slipped into the agenda.
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:30 PM
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12. I would definitely agree with you about so-called "gun control" - it wastes time.
We need to work on enforcing the laws we have now.
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:28 PM
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11. Eh, I pounded the pavement for the Dems, I don't wanna live on bean curds and tofu...
and I sure as hell don't think that Obama = McCain or = Bush or = any Republican.

I just want to find a place where I can say that while Obama's the best man for the job, his economic gurus aren't. And if Obama can find time to have a dialogue with the right, I'm sure he can find time to have a dialogue with the thoughtful left, as well.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:33 PM
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14. Good points. Key words "thoughtful left"
Rare creature, nearly extinct I'd reckon. At least here anyhow.

Julie
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:27 PM
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17. The truth really stings
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:31 PM
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19. Very applicable. Thanks, Julie. nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:31 PM
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20. Pretty much the experience I've had here at DU.
BTW, I wrote about the way that we could all end up missing the boat, sooner than we know, if we don't open our minds and stop allowing the perfect Left of being the enemy of the Public good!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8281017&mesg_id=8281017
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 07:03 AM
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29. Hey Frenchie!
Love your sig-line pic and message! :hi: Wonderful post you linked to too! :toast:

Julie
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:12 PM
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41. Your behavior has changed IMO. You totally jumped for Obama. Good for you, but
many of us, while greatly supporting him, don't back EVERY DAMN THING he does.

If there's something of Obama's that you won't defend, please let me know because I have not seen it? :shrug:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:19 PM
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45. Stella, we found something to agree on
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:22 PM
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48. Will wonders ever cease?
:-) :cheers:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 04:30 PM
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64. Now that's funny
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:31 PM
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52. Don't hold your breath...
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:41 PM
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22. The warmest, funniest people I know are liberals.
Do you think Molly Ivans lacked a sense of humor? Jim Hightower?

The "sit down and shut up" crowd are out in force this weekend. Oh well. I'm too smart to let a little (D) after a politician's name keep me from criticizing bad policy.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 04:01 PM
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23. very accurate
I think what people don't get is that Obama is not a king--he has to work with a Congress with Blue Dogs in the House and where the Republicans in the senate will filibuster everything, and now he has to deal with the likes of Evan Bayh and his gang of 15 making trouble. So to expect him to easily enact leftist policies is too much.

Policy is no good unless it actually gets passed. A perfect policy that is never enacted is much worse than a good policy that is.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:06 PM
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25. And that is exactly why I voted for Obama.
This guy nails the ideological purist faction on DU perfectly, lunatics that are stuck in 1968.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 03:33 PM
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62. yes
Starting intermediately after the Kerry loss, the Obama movement (not Obama himself, let's not make that mistake, he is a politician like all of the rest, and may even turn out to be a good one) was always first and foremost about destroying the Left more so than going after the right.

The "purist faction" here is the overwhelming majority, and also is much closer to where the general public is now.


...
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:44 PM
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27. Minor nit:
I'm not sure barbituate is the ideal drug metaphor. I'd think more in terms of Steroids, as in "'roid rage", or methamphetamines, because of the obsessive, panicky, nature of the drug's users, that leads them to lose all common sense and negotiation skills in a relentless pursuit of their current fascinations.

:evilgrin:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 06:50 AM
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28. Good point.
:toast:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:17 PM
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44. No that's the GOP and the author trying to shame us EVIL LEFTIES into submission.
Truth is that we're fucking hilarious because we will not BEHAVE.

And that's what pisses you off so much. You wish that we could all be like the little lock step republicans.

It would be so much easier to control us as the Country's wealth continues to move upward.

When you come down off of your Obama high, there won't be many scraps to fight for and all the wealth will have moved overseas.

Shit! I'd hate to tell you " I told you so." But I will. ;)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 07:14 AM
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31. uh huh. Yep.
Nails it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 09:36 AM
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32. this is my favorite part of the piece:
At some point, the left will have to relinquish its love affair with marginalization. We'll have to stop behaving like those people who have a favorite band they love, and even damn near worship, until that day when the band actually begins to sell a lot of records and gain a measure of popularity, at which point they now suck and have obviously sold out: the idea being that if people like you, you must not be doing anything important, and that obscurity is the true measure of integrity.


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Realtalk Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:11 AM
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35. He has a point...
Great article.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:28 AM
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36. You people are suckers.
Anyone who is anyone knows that the only decent form of music is megaphone crooning which I listen to in my antique victrola record player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCumH8LRo1A&feature=related

:evilgrin:
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:00 PM
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38. Now that's funny...
I'm laughing now

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:09 PM
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39. Bullshit! You can't pigeonhole the humorless people to "the far left." BUNK. Pure and simple.
WTF :wtf: is the author channeling Glen Beck and one of his 9 Principles: Americans R Good.

Hey! HUMAN BEINGS all have the capacity to do GOOD.

A dose of irrational NATIONALISM anyone?
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:13 PM
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42. I think it's sad how many people on DU have taken up bashing their allies
Truly, it is astounding. Divide and conquer.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:44 PM
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56. Yep. nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:13 PM
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43. Written by rebranded moderate republicans now calling themselves NEW DEMOCRATS?
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:22 PM
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47. LOL, Bob Avakian
That brings back memories of Berkeley CA, circa 1981, with RCYB posters plastered everywhere screaming "STOP THE RAILROAD OF BOB AVAKIAN!!" Dude must be OLD by now (than me, anyway).

While I think it's way too broad a brush to paint leftists with (because activism for its own sake is a good thing, IMO, no matter the Hitler mustaches), there *are* people like this out there. Certainly the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade idiots who marched around Berkeley's campus when I was there are the kind of people this author is talking about. I've run into many determinedly humorless leftists in my life.
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:25 PM
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49. Anyone who has been to an anti-war protest can see we're not humorless
Some of the funniest shit I ever saw in my life was at these meets. It's amazing how twisted and wonderful our imaginations can be with a few markers, tape, and W pics.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:29 PM
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50. I couldn't get enough compliments on my homemade "sandwich board"
Edited on Mon Mar-23-09 01:30 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood
which I wore while marching on DC 4 years ago. Yes on one side of it I was calling the GOP fascists but the front side had this:



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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:32 PM
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53. Nice work!
I had the good ole' "fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity". Hey, I was young and we thought it was original back then :)
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:36 PM
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55. I like. You would have gotten a kick of the one I suggested for my brother to make.
Edited on Mon Mar-23-09 01:40 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood
He actually went through with it. He painted a bunch of individual sperm swimming around at random all with bush's face and it said. "Bush pull out like your daddy should have.....". Yes I know I'm disgusting. :evilgrin:
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:45 PM
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57. Holy fuck that's funny
:rofl:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:30 PM
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51. If we're able to get organized with increasing Union involvement, I'd bet us lefties could
even score a TV Channel as big and important as CNBC.

The American Hourly Wage Workers - LABOR Channel :evilgrin:
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:34 PM
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54. Gawds I wish!
I would put on a Haruka Variety Show first.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:09 PM
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61. Exactly, I am willing to bet the person who wrote this article has never attended a protest.
I am guessing the people who are praising his "analysis" have sat in their comfortable homes while we were in the streets as well, it is easy for them to attack a group of people who they know nothing about aside from the smears they hear on the evening news but actually going out and talking to them takes a lot more effort.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 03:39 PM
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63. saddened and disappointed
I am very saddened and disappointed to see you post this Julie.

You seem to be determined to drive this wedge between people, to antagonize and alienate people and inflame passions no matter how many efforts are made to make peace with you and reach an understanding of mutual respect and acceptance.

I just don't understand what drives you to do this again and again.


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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:13 PM
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73. I know how you feel
Pretty much whenever I come to DU I seeso much negativity. Saddest of all is when "teachable moments" are squandered because instead of educating or encouraging we often see misguided statments meant with personal attacks and hostility. As I believe I saw you do just that in a poverty thread not all that long ago I hope you can relate to what I am saying.

Personally I've never achieved any kind of progress or success with negativity and that is the message I am aiming for here. It requires a good look in the mirror and some (sometimes) painful self-examination.

Lastly, not sure what you are talking about on the "many efforts to make peace with" me. I recall you apologizing for having been hostile to me in the past, does that mean I am expected to be silent on issues you and I may disagree on? And surely you don't think this post was remotely connected to you...? I took a good look around DU the other day and this article came to mind. So sad that if I ever want to feel miserable about President Obama and what's going on in politics all I have to do is come read DU.

Julie--who will never believe pissing and moaning on the tubes accomplishes anything
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 05:29 PM
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67. Tim Wise wrote this?
Edited on Mon Mar-23-09 05:30 PM by Starry Messenger
How disappointing. I went to the link expecting to see the author to be Penn Jillette or Chris Hitchens. Oh, well, everyone lays an egg now and then. I know far more humorless Republicans whose party has done so much more damage to this country than a few people who are really into tofu and wheatgrass juice or whoever Wise was trying to describe here. Most liberals I know are very warm people.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 05:58 PM
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68. What's the author's DU name??
"Those of us who find any significance in the election of a man of color in a nation founded on white supremacy are fools who "drank the kool-aid,"

"These are people who think being agitators is about pissing people off more than reaching out to them."

And the money quote so true and so powerful it needs a blockquote:

In the name of ideological asceticism, they spurn the hard work of movement building and inspiring others to join the struggle, snicker at those foolish enough to not understand or appreciate their superior philosophical constructs, and then act shocked when their movements and groups accomplish exactly nothing.


Either he's a regular on this site or there are alot of people here who just got pwned.

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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 07:16 PM
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71. JNelson, thank you so much for posting this
I just put my 2-year old down for her nap and came back and finished reading the article and saw this:


The simple fact is, people are inspired by Obama not because they view him as especially progressive per se (except in relation to some of the more retrograde policies of the current president, and in relation to where they feel, rightly, McCain/Palin would have led us), but because most folks respond to optimism, however ill-defined it may be. This is what the Reaganites understood, and for that matter it's what Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement knew too. It wasn't anger and pessimism that broke the back of formal apartheid in the south, but rather, hope, and a belief in the fundamental decency of people to make a change if confronted by the yawning chasm between their professed national ideals and the bleak national reality.

...Look at pictures of the freedom riders in 1961, or the volunteers during Freedom Summer of 1964 and notice the dramatic difference between them and some of the seething radicals of today -- whose radicalism is almost entirely about style and image more than actual analysis and movement building. In the case of the former, even as they stared down mobs intent on injuring or killing them, and even as they knew they might be murdered, they smiled, they laughed, they sang, they found joy.


Ain't it the truth... this brought tears to my eyes. Thanks for posting this. Sorry I'm too late to rec.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 08:46 AM
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72. This seems overly negative to me too...
I mean, the piece may describe the character of SOME "leftists" or Obama critics,

But aren't there just as many humorless, self-righteous personalities affiliated with OTHER points of view?

We might call them "Barbiturate centrists," etc.

Can't one be a thoughtful, civil critic of specific policies AND still basically "support" the president? O8)
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