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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 09:53 AM
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Obama tries to temper furor over AIG bonuses
March 24, 2009

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is trying to dampen a fire he once stoked, urging a more tempered response to public furor over bonuses paid to executives of the publicly rescued insurance giant American International Group.

Obama is virtually certain to use Tuesday's prime-time news conference to continue an effort that began over the weekend: cooling the anti-AIG ferocity, now that it threatens to undermine his efforts to bail out the nation's deeply troubled financial sector.

Obama's tone changed dramatically after the House voted last week for targeted taxes to take back most of the $165 million in bonuses paid to AIG executives. Many lawmakers felt Obama had encouraged their step, because he called the bonuses reckless, outrageous and unjustified.

In the White House, however, the situation seemed to be spinning out of control. Some fellow Democrats questioned the constitutionality and wisdom of the House's action. Executives of other troubled companies signaled they would not make deals with a federal government that revises agreements after they are signed.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090324/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama

Finally!!! This is what he should have done in the first place.

:-)
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:27 PM
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1. calling something "reckless, outrageous and unjustified"
doesn't mean you're telling congress to do something unconstitutional ... that's ridiculous.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:38 PM
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16. Congress overreacted as usual.
They only cared about covering their sorry asses. Most of them have received a myriad of calls and emails protesting these bonuses. People are like sheeple that the media whips into a frenzy at will. Most of them don't understand the first thing about financial matters; they only know what the media feeds them.

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:32 PM
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2. Good luck with that! Especially since the corporate whores in Congress aren't going to pass EFCA
anytime in the near future. Probably never. The American People are beginning to wake the fuck up so Obama and his blue dogs better get a large dose of Populism lest they be let down - HARD. :grr:
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:34 PM
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3. Once again people get fed shit on DU for taking stances Obama later adopts
Back when Obama was talking about how angry he was the thugs were out in force insisting the AIG tax bill was beyond reproach.

Will the same thugs post abject apologies now?

The question answers itself...
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:36 PM
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5. This is Charles Babington. I don't take what he says to be gospel truth
We'll have to see what Obama actually says.

Further, you are not helping matters by calling people "thugs".
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:12 PM
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13. Did you see the 60 Minutes interview?
I'm not trusting Babington... Obama already expressed that the AIG bonus tax was at odds with the spirit of the Constitution and was a bad way to do things.

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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:14 PM
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14. He did not say it was unconstitutional. He said he was investigating whether it was. I posted his
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 02:18 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
comments below.

Amended: I understand what you are saying. But *still* believe Babington is making a stronger case than Obama made.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:35 PM
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4. Babington is wrong. He didn't say it was unconstitutional. He said this:

BARACK OBAMA:

Well, I think that-- as a general proposition, you don't want to be passing laws that are just targeting a handful of individuals. You want to pass laws that have some broad applicability. And as a general proposition, I think you certainly don't want to use the tax code--is to punish people.

I think that you've got an-- pretty egregious situation here that people are understandably upset about. And so let's see if there are ways of doing this that are both legal, that are constitutional-- that uphold our basic principles of fairness, but don't hamper us from getting the banking system-- back on track.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:42 PM
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17. Whether it technically is unconstitutional or not,
it goes against the spirit of the law and should not take place. It sets a bad precedent. A legally binding contract is precisely that: legally binding. Congress should not tinker around the law in a fit of emotional outburst. This could lead us into a slippery slope.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:56 PM
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20. Personally, I agree.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:59 PM
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22. Good, at least someone does. LOL!!!
The mass hysteria is making me nervous. I don't want any government to have this kind of control. Today it's the Democrats, tomorrow it will be the Republicans.......and then what?

:scared:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:41 PM
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6. What is this? AP propaganda?
:wtf: "In the White House, however, the situation seemed to be spinning out of control."

and then a fact is inserted that is a lie....."On Sunday, Obama told CBS' "60 Minutes" the House's plan to slap a special tax on the AIG executives would be unconstitutional. "

are we supposed to believe AP because....why? :shrug:

This kind of shit makes me sick :puke: .....which answers why at the end of the day, after the distortions and twisting, nobody knows what the facts are and what the lies are! People are made angry, but half of the time they have been lied to as to why they should be angry. How convenient for whomever is controlling the show, or whomever Associated Press answers to.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:43 PM
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8. If you recall, Charles Babington is the guy that wrote an article about a speech Obama gave before
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:46 PM
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10. So what would be the reason that he is showing up here......
in an article that basically accuses Barack Obama of playing politics?

What would be the driving motive behind taking AP negativity as something
worthwhile reading?

I'm kind of disgusted currently at the assistance corporate media is getting around here. :puke:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:48 PM
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18. Well, Obama should have said it if he didn't.
The laws of this nation should not be abrogated just because the masses are upset. I expect cooler heads from the president and Congress. The public can have fits of paroxysm, but not our elected officials. So, if Obama is finally going to try to tamper the overreaction to AIG and its bonuses, it's about bloody time he did so and I'm all for it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:43 PM
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7. Beacool? Do you just copy and paste and not discern,
or what?

I don't quite get you missing the unthruths in this article,
and yet still feeling compeled to posting it without but a passing comment.

What's that about? :shrug:

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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:45 PM
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9. I watched the 60 minutes special and I *still* had to go back and read the transcript.
The lie is not exactly in plain sight.

Beacool *did* post a comment with it as well.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:48 PM
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11. I didn't have to go back to the transcript to remember that he said he was looking into it....
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 01:49 PM by FrenchieCat
and that he didn't announce the tax as unconstitutional. :shrug:

As far as the "comment", it had little to do with questioning the source,
from what I can tell.

Again, I'm tired of the fact that we run with bullshit and act like we've got something there.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:49 PM
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12. We're supposed to be able to trust AP. That's why.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:15 PM
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15. That's the saddest aspect of this political climate.....
We can't trust anything, because so much of it is designed to confuse and mislead.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:55 PM
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19. I happen to agree with the article.
I hope that Obama DOES tamper down the overreaction to AIG. What upsets you so about this article?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:57 PM
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21. I don't like inaccuracies and opinion purposefully reported.....
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 02:57 PM by FrenchieCat
as straight up news.

I find it dangerous.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 03:01 PM
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23. More dangerous is for the WH and Congress not to keep a cool head.
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 03:29 PM by Beacool
The larger than life reaction to these bonuses is downright scary.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 03:03 PM
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24. They were media induced....which is why I specifically used the world "dangerous".
scary and dangerous are not world apart.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 03:30 PM
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25. On that we can agree.
;)
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