I am outraged that a certain someone doesn't support legalization

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

I was already loaded for bear before yesterdays legalization war because I was pissed off of Hillary's comments in Mexico two days ago.

The blood of six thousand dead in Juarez is not on the hands of the dirty fucking hippies in America.

In fact, the dirty fucking hippies would be delighted to buy American and eliminate all marijuana cross-border traffic. (Hawaii is in America, right? That's a pot joke, not an Obama joke.)

In fact, people who support legalizing pot are the only group of people on Earth seeking a real solution to about 60% of the Mexican drug wars.

It is nasty to oppose legalization. It is particularly nasty to do so while touring the graves of thousands of victims of prohibition.

So bite me, Hillary.

Signed,

A notorious Hillary supporter.

[dionysus]

1. not trying to argue here, but isn't it common knowledge that these cartel wars are about

coke and meth, not herb? I'm pretty sure the violence is a coke\meth thing, not a weed thing.

I'm for the legalization of the herb but i don't think we should have coke and methheads running around all over the place... are you for the legalization of everything, or just herb? i'd rather not have people walking around zoinked out on smack either...
:shrug:

[Schema Thing]

3. huh? no that's not common knowledge

the cartel wars are about money and power.



why would a cartel chieftan give a damn about one drug over another?

[dionysus]

8. uh...because there's a huge difference in price and profit when you jump from weed to hard drugs...

:shrug:

[Bluenorthwest]

14. but the market for what you call 'weed'

is far larger than the market for hard drugs. So that makes the profit larger, although the margin is slimmer.

[dionysus]

18. i'll concede that point

[Exilednight]

32. Don't be fooled, there's a huge profit in weed ............

Your mark-up could be as much as a 1000%.

[FudaFuda]

11. At least 60% of cartel profits come from pot

Who do you think is controlling most large-scale growing operations even inside the US? Mexican cartels.

read:

http://open.salon.com/blog/brinna_nanda/2009/03/19/dea_mexico_chief_reyes_lists_reasons_to_end_pot_prohibition

[dionysus]

12. damn. i didn't know that. thats why we're supposed to get the good candian shit, not that mexican

dirt.

[Bluenorthwest]

15. No, that is why

we should be able to buy local, organic, right from our own state and county. From the neighbor. Who then pays bills and buys things. Canada also has trouble with organized cartels doing huge crops, harming the environment. Such problems occur under mindless prohibition. Same as it ever was.

[dionysus]

17. fyi, i was semi-joking...

i wouldn't even mind a deal where it was illegal to sell but legal to grow for personal purposes.

Although that would take the revenue genration aspect away...

take pot out of the picture completely for a minute, and imagine the money we could make with just industrial hemp!

[lfairban]

20. You are right.

What we need from the President is an intelligent policy, not a glib dismissive answer.

[alcibiades_mystery]

2. meh...you're always outraged

The only thing that changes is the calendar day and topic.

:-)

[Adelante]

4. Ain't that the truth?

:D

[cali]

5. yawn. what else is new? We know you do outrage

over and over and over. And this isn't even your first outraged OP on this topic. I think we can safely predict it won't be your last. Constant outrage is wearisome.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

7. "outrage" is a term of art. Sorry to go over your head

I am, on average, less "outraged" (though more negative) than most.

You'd already cornered the flamebait market with your Afghanistan post so the rest of us are left with your crumbs. Sorry.

:hi:

[dionysus]

13. WHY AREN'T YOU OUTRAGED!

:rofl:

[Schema Thing]

6. Exactly. This isn't about pot, it's about morality and institutionalized hypocrisy

Hell, I used to be, for my first 37 years, a strict fundy. I'd never done any drug. I could still see how immoral and hypocritical and completely impractical our drug laws are.

[dionysus]

9. are you for the legalization of all drugs, or just herb? meaning should it be legal to buy some

crack at the grocery store?

[Schema Thing]

19. I'm for treating/educating anyone sick or stupid enough to do crack

[dionysus]

23. what i mean is, would you have the hard shit like heroin and meth legal, or just the plant based

stuff?

[eridani]

25. To get the hard shit, go to a doctor's office like they do in Switzerland n/t

[Schema Thing]

26. I'd probably meet somewhere in the middle on the hard, synthetic stuff

But I wouldn't put anyone in prison simply for putting it in their own body, or possessing just enough to get themselves high.



The really hard stuff is a much more difficult equation, but I'd err on the side of helping people instead of criminalizing people. That's better for everyone in the long run, as has been proven in more civilized places than America.

[dionysus]

28. i agree with your take on imprisonment for sure.

in my opinion coke\crack\meth\pcp\heroin should not be commercially available.

[Occam Bandage]

27. Heroin and cocaine are both "plant-based."

[dionysus]

29. i know, i should have said synthetic or processed. chewing coca or smoking a bowl of opium is far

different from freebasing a rock or shooting up.

[lamp_shade]

10. Outraged? You? Nah!

[cbc5g]

16. By advocating prohibition, she is supporting the cartels.. not the hippies

Sorry, if you still support prohibition laws in this day and age, you are supporting terrorism and drug lords, period.

[FudaFuda]

21. You're right. That's the whole point.

Keeping the drug war alive serves everyone who's got a finger in the pie. Ending drug prohibition only serves the little people.

[cooolandrew]

22. How does it poll nationally that's the question. Is the answer to where they stand>

if we want their stance to change you have to make the campaign huge in raising awareness the war on drugs is lost and there is a cheaper and safer way. Legalize it, make posters make ads make youtubes get the word out. Just start general conversations with whoever you meet point to the states moving forward on this. Don't get offended by their stance it's poltical just make it poll well they'll come along for the ride. And while promoting it make sure they are directed to whiterosesociety.org too.

[iamthebandfanman]

24. dont cha love DU replies to things they dont agree with?

attack the person! attack the person!
ignore the content! ignore the content!

attack attack attack the person!


truly a sign of weak minded individuals.

DU has become the smelly arm pit of the liberal movement of america.

lets just be happy that half the people here dont actually do jack shit in real life to further their causes.

[Occam Bandage]

30. I really can't be legitimately "outraged" about something that has

been the case for decades. I think US drug policy as regards marijuana is stupid and I would like to see someone change it, but I'm not going to play the macho-posturing game over it. I mean, it's like the Japan's chronic revisionism of its wartime history. Yes, it's not good, but I can't be outraged over something that has been going on for longer than I have been alive. I can dislike it, but outrage? C'mon.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

31. It appears my sense of humor is mis-calibrated

I am surprised how many people saw the word outrage as notable in this headline. I consider "outrage" a DU term of art at this point. I would not use the word "outrage" to describe actual outrage because the word has become a punchline.

The point of the OP is that it is not about Obama, yet is "outraged." Many were suggesting that nobody could have intense feelings about drug laws and could only be motivated by animus toward president Obama.

I'm outraged about drug laws the same way I am outraged about the death penalty... it's a serious moral stance. So I am morally outraged, but hardly shaking and sweating or whatever it is one does when "Outraged"

As for real torch-bearing pitchfork-waving outrage, all that really gets me is censorship, willful dishonesty used to manipulate and a certain type of Soviet-style self-appointed political discipline officer mentality.

Those things just get me, for whatever reason.