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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:09 PM
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Someone should go to jail for creating this economic crisis, but who?
Name one person or company who holds the most responsibility for the current crisis. I'm sure there are more culprits, but who should be the first to be prosecuted?

I think it should be AIG's senior executives.



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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:11 PM
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1. I think it started with
Freddie and Fannie. That's where the real blame lies.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:25 PM
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14. Not true - they are scapegoats
The FMs bought mortgages from companies that wrote them. Some of the companies that wrote irresponsible predatory mortgages pressured the FMs to buy some of these bad loans with the good loans. But, as of last fall, they bought 17% of the bad loans - their private industry counterparts bought 83%.

Even so, without derivatives and credit swaps, this would have simply been a foreclosure crisis. Now, it was Phil Gramm who wrote legislation to:
1) get rid of Glass/Stegall
2) make it law that there was no regulation of derivatives and credit swaps

These and Bush's head of the SEC's allowing leverage to go from 1 to 12 to 1 to numbers like 44.

Now, neither of these actions were illegal and they were not done to intentionally destroy the world.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:12 PM
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2. Former Senior Executives, cause there aren't any left that did the damage!
Edited on Fri Mar-27-09 07:14 PM by LakeSamish706
And I seriously think that the Bush Administration was involved in this crisis, and perhaps instrumental in it; ie: Another 911 only this one was an economical one.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:17 PM
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5. No, some are still there
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:23 PM
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7. Wrong reply place... Thanks, I didn't know that any were still there....
Bet his job isn't what it used to be.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:14 PM
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3. Hank Paulson for his time as CEO of Goldman Sachs
He played both sides in this.

His begging of Congress to loosen the leverage regulations as CEO fostered the derivatives explosion.

Then as Treasury Secretary he funneled money directly to his old firm.

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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:21 PM
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6. Thanks, I didn't know that.... I bet his job is a little rough these days.. n/t
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:15 PM
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4. Most seem to think Goldman Sachs and AIG are the ones.
Not sure how true it is
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:33 PM
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8. I would start with Phil Gramm
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:46 PM
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9. whomever lobbied to deregulate as well as those who took the money...nt
starting with glass-stengahl...
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 10:05 PM
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20. I agree Phil Gramm, he uses his mother's story to laud subprime
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 04:32 PM
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30. he is the main one
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:00 PM
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10. Well, it started with this roomful of deregulators but we can't send them to prison
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:09 PM
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11. Being wrong is not a crime.
Edited on Fri Mar-27-09 08:09 PM by ProSense
Intentionally misleading and then aiding (as Gramm did) the companies who ripped off Americans is criminal.






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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:11 PM
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13. Yup. Gramm needs to be hunted down. I am only for vigilantism in this one case!
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:10 PM
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12. I think it started with Reagan's constant push for less government but he is dead
Oh well.
It got pushed and pushed and the 1990's were successful. Everyone thought it would not matter if we repealed that act. Greenspan and Gramm were the major culprits. Of course Clinton and the other Dems who eventually went along with it though I bet many of them majorly regret this vote. Or maybe not as they got campaign contributions from the banks/firms who benefited from this.
What a freakin huge mistake.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:30 PM
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15. Every single living person who has ever worked for Goldman Sachs.
There may be some divisions of AIG (an insurance company) that do something legitimate. But what does Goldman Sachs do that benefits anybody other than those who are already far too rich?

Beyond that, anyone in Congress past or present who ever sponsored deregulation which made this fraud possible.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:05 PM
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16.  Gingrich, Graham, Alan Greenspan,
Edited on Fri Mar-27-09 09:06 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:13 PM
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17. Whoever it was that decided, knowingly, to call them SWAPs...
...instead of insurance in order to escape the regulation that was required for such a product if the word 'insurance' was used. That's deliberate deception, IMHO, and that ENTITY or PERSON should be prosecuted. Was that AIG or someone who worked there? I don't know.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:14 PM
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18. BUSH - CHENEY - ROVE come to mind
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:17 PM
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19. I'm taking out Phil Gram and Alan Greenspan. I'm not sorry, Andrea Mitchell....you can join him. n/t
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 10:15 PM
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21. Go to jail? Many were rewarded with positions in the Obama Administration.

Oh wait a minute. I forgot. They must have learned from those major screw-ups. Well if that's the logic of Team Obama, why don't they just bring back Rumsfeld and put him in charge of the Defense Dept b/c surely he's learned from his mistakes.

:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 11:33 AM
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22. Really? Let me repeat
Someone should go to jail.

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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 11:34 AM
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23. Bush's economic advisors
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 12:04 PM
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24. My vote goes to Phil Gramm
Although Clinton is not guiltless either.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 12:06 PM
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25. look
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 03:36 PM
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26. Rating agencies, then AIG for lying about exposure to CDS's
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 03:59 PM
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27. Fisher Black
.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 04:00 PM
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28. American workers/consumers. We're blamed for everything else already.
:shrug:
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 04:02 PM
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29. Geithner, Summers, Friedman...the economic/tax team!
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 04:33 PM
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31. I'll go.
At least I get a roof over my head and three meals a day.
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