"Sore Loser" Coleman Legal Spokesman Makes It Official: He Will Appeal...In Effort To Steal Election

[jefferson_dem]

Coleman Legal Spokesman Makes It Official: We Will Appeal
By Eric Kleefeld - March 31, 2009, 6:51PM

On a conference call with reporters just now, held in the wake of the election court's ruling to review only 400 ballots for possible inclusion -- and explicitly rejecting Coleman's calls for leniency in the standards and the burden of poof -- legal spokesman Ben Ginsberg made it absolutely clear: "If these rulings stand in any final order of the court, if it will give us no choice to appeal that order to the Minnesota Supreme Court."

Ginsberg followed up on his previous ridicule of the court's February 13 ruling that required strict standards for letting ballots in -- which he would refer to as the "Friday the 13th Ruling" -- by giving this one a new name: "The Almost April Fool's Day Ruling."

Ginsberg said the court was "subsumed with its own logic" to require strict standards, despite local officials on Election Day being much more permissive. When asked when he realized the court would not bend, Ginsberg said: "Our recognition that the court was not going to change came roughly 97 minutes ago, when we got the order."

"I gather we fundamentally disagree with them," he said later. "And that's why there are appellate courts."

Ginsberg also strongly hinted that Coleman would keep fighting in federal courts should he lose at the state Supremes, and that he would move to stop any issuing of a certificate of election for Franken until the federal proceedings were over. A reporter asked Ginsberg about the widespread view that the state Supreme Court's ruling weeks ago, denying Franken an immediate certificate of election, also heavily implied -- or perhaps even directly stated -- that a certification would come after the state Supreme Court rules, without requiring federal appeals to finish up.

"I believe that what that ruling says is that there absolutely cannot be a certification before the Supreme Court rules -- which is a pretty logical thing for the Supreme Court to say," said Ginsberg. "But the question of a certification after that is, I think, an open legal question. Certainly nobody has any precedent on it."

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[DeepBlueC]

1. Please, indictment come soon...

That'll shut off the fountain of dollars pretty fast. x(

[Dinger]

2. This Is Critical To Our President's Agenda

He needs to step in. I think he can do something, . . . YES HE CAN! Can't he?

[Dinger]

3. A Kick In Thanks jefferson_dem : )

:)

[firedupdem]

4. Ridiculous! This guy has no shame. He needs to sit his

ass down some place. He lost! Get over it! We are really getting cheated out of having Franken working now!

:grr:

[GoesTo11]

5. Minnesota courts are being irresponsible by taking so long

Time to speed it up and find Coleman in contempt of court if he files nuisance materials. And jail him. Then we'll see how long he wants to drag it out.

Really, Minnesota did fine to recount the votes and give a hearing, but this goes beyond due process and it deprives Franken of his right to a speedy trial.

[Starry Messenger]

6. Of course he is, the bastard.

They are all going to fight us all the way down the wire.

[PBS Poll-435]

7. God how do I hate Ben Ginsberg

Why am I not shocked that the same assholes from '00 are back at it again.

(This time the will lose, however)

[Thrill]

8. Reid better get a backbone. Its time to Seat Al Franken

[Mr. Sparkle]

9. When will the Democrats learn how to do some political showboating

Norm Coleman should be one of the most hated persons in the country right about now, for holding up Al Franken's conformation.

You just know if it was the other way around, the repubes would be all over this.

Harry Reid ... :grr:

[SoFlaJet]

10. Media Matters had a great (but very long) piece on

the way the "liberal" MSM hasn't once used the term we all came to love so much in 2000 "sore loser" and "get over it" in the major papers. It's time they start.

[SoFlaJet]

11. Here it is Mr Sparkle....

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200903310001

[Mr. Sparkle]

13. Great article, Thanks. It sums up what i have been thinking ..

The Democrats are crap at political showboating. After all these years you would think some of them would have leaned how do it by now.

[SoFlaJet]

14. these are different times my friend

We The Peoples are done with political grandstanding. It doesn't equate to anything good getting done for the American people. We had 8-plus years to learn that hard lesson. Fortunately for us democrats, the republick party hasn't learned shit.

[Mr. Sparkle]

15. I Strongly disagree, political grandstanding is a necessity of public politics

if the Democrats were any good at it, you can bet your bottom dollar that Al Franken would have been seated by now. It would also cut down on the amount of filibusters been threatened by the repubs.

It is just a shame we their so bloody useless at it !! :grr:

[SoFlaJet]

12. Ruh Roh

John Cornyn is going to detonate that nuclear device in his shorts

[romantico]

16. So

What's Al Franken doing now? He has lost 4 months now into his senate and Al does not lose but the people of Minnesota do.Does Al just have to sit back, keep his mouth shut, and take this? Can't he do something? Doesn't he have rights? Is Coleman paying for any of this or are the taxpayers? Can Coleman be charged? Looks like he is intentionally preventing Al from taking his Senate seat. What exactly is being done on Franken's behalf?

[rasputin1952]

17. Coleman is destroying any chance of being political viable in the

future. I don't think he has the capacity to realizer that he is making the good people of MN angry, even those who voted for him.

We Americans are an interesting society. We will almost always come to the aid of the underdog, we will sacrifice a great deal when we see injustice and we love a winner, but are enamored by a good loser. One thing we cannot stand is a bad loser. We expect a loser in politics, sports and almost everything else to take losing gracefully and with some form of dignity. All Gore did this, even though it was shown he had actually won the popular vote, (and there is a huge question about how some of the counting was done in that fiasco, not to mention FL 's exceptionally partisan SoS give the state to bush).

Elections are always contentious, a lot of passion is driven up during the campaigns, and it takes a big man/woman to take a loss on the ching w/a sense of dignity...heck, even McCain showed signs of dignity when he conceded to Obama.

So here is Coleman, sending out what appear to be spurious claims that he might have actually won the election for Senator in MN, he lost, after a valid recount...what does he do, asks the courts to "loosen up" how votes were counted. He's actually asking the Court system to cheat for him in an election. I can't think of too many things that are more distant from one of the fundamental values our nation is based upon.

The good people of MN deserve much better than this, and if Al Franken turned out to be an average Senator, at least he'd have his dignity intact...Coleman is a piece of trash, he should not be allowed to take this further, he should be held in contempt for filing frivolous suits. If there is a bright side to this, the GOP will go bankrupt pursuing the current legal action...something they can ill afford.

[Hansel]

18. Well if Coleman is incapable of acting like an adult it might be

time to put some pressure on Pawlenty to start acting like a statesman. It would be great if MN voters would start putting the pressure on Pawlenty and start making it clearer to him that is cushy governorship might be on the line if this continues. Because clearly Coleman is "Bachman sh*t crazy" and is not sane enough to stop on his own. I think if Pawlenty thought he was going to suffer because of this, he would make it end.

[romantico]

19. So

Why isn't the MSM covering this? I mean, I know it's old news and boring and all but c'mon! I am amazed and embarrassed it has gone on this long. Where is the outrage? I don;t live in Minnesota nor do I have family or any friends there but this story has got me pissed.I doubt if Al can speak publicly, but I bet he is fuming. Hopefully he is writing a book about all of this. I think he should spill out in details whats been happening and the things we don't know about.

[Dinger]

20. Maybe If The M$M Was On This, Something Might Happen

Maybe (hopefully) something good?

[Hansel]

22. I think the story has just begun. It's a cultural thing.

MN's will be patient until the MN Supreme Court rules. If Coleman doesn't step aside then, I think all hell will break lose. MN culture is to let the rules play through and to resist jumping the gun. We are waiting for the final STATE court ruling.

Our culture is also to resent outside influence messing with our state and the Federal courts and senators from Texas are outside influences. The noise will start when Coleman appeals to the U.S. Supreme Court. Then the MSM will pick up on it.

[Supersedeas]

21. where is the journalistic integrity?

[Orsino]

23. He had to say that as quickly as possible...

...as an excuse not to certify.

Coleman, of course, wouldn't say it himself. The spokesman is floating a trial balloon.