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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:44 PM
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AP tries to claim that Obama is a liar- again
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 02:30 PM by masuki bance
PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke

WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday.

The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000.

This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich.

To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always.

"I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime."


Now in office, Obama, who stopped smoking but has admitted he slips now and then, signed a law raising the tobacco tax nearly 62 cents on a pack of cigarettes, to $1.01. Other tobacco products saw similarly steep increases.

The extra money will be used to finance a major expansion of health insurance for children. That represents a step toward achieving another promise, to make sure all kids are covered.

Obama said in the campaign that Americans could have both—a broad boost in affordable health insurance for the nation without raising taxes on anyone but the rich.

His detailed campaign plan stated that his proposed improvement in health insurance and health technology "is more than covered" by raising taxes on the wealthy alone. It was not based on raising the tobacco tax.

The White House contends Obama's campaign pledge left room for measures such as the one financing children's health insurance.

"The president's position throughout the campaign was that he would not raise income or payroll taxes on families making less than $250,000, and that's a promise he has kept," said White House spokesman Reid H. Cherlin. "In this case, he supported a public health measure that will extend health coverage to 4 million children who are currently uninsured."

In some instances during the campaign, Obama was plainly talking about income, payroll and investment taxes, even if he did not say so.

Other times, his point appeared to be that heavier taxation of any sort on average Americans is the wrong prescription in tough times.

"Listen now," he said in his widely watched nomination acceptance speech, "I will cut taxes—cut taxes—for 95 percent of all working families, because, in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle class."

An unequivocal "any tax" pledge also was heard in the vice presidential debate, another prominent forum.

"No one making less than $250,000 under Barack Obama's plan will see one single penny of their tax raised," Joe Biden said, "whether it's their capital gains tax, their income tax, investment tax, any tax."

The Democratic campaign used such statements to counter Republican assertions that Obama would raise taxes in a multitude of direct and indirect ways, recalled Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania.

"I think a reasonable person would have concluded that Senator Obama had made a 'no new taxes' pledge to every couple or family making less than $250,000," she said.

Jamieson noted GOP ads that claimed Obama would raise taxes on electricity and home heating oil. "They rebutted both with the $250,000 claim," she said of the Obama campaign, "so they did extend the rebuttal beyond income and payroll."

Government and private research has found that smoking rates are higher among people of low income.

A Gallup survey of 75,000 people last year fleshed out that conclusion. It found that 34 percent of respondents earning $6,000 to $12,000 were smokers, and the smoking rate consistently declined among people of higher income. Only 13 percent of people earning $90,000 or more were smokers.

Federal or state governments often turn for extra tax dollars to the one in five Americans who smoke, and many states already hit tobacco users this year. So did the tobacco companies, which raised the price on many brands by more than 70 cents a pack.

The latest increase in the federal tax is by far the largest since its introduction in 1951, when it was 8 cents a pack. It's gone up six times since, each time by no more than a dime, until now.

Apart from the tax haul, public health advocates argue that squeezing smokers will help some to quit and persuade young people not to start.

But it was a debate the country didn't have in a presidential campaign that swore off higher taxation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090401/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_tax_promise


I am so sick of the bias in the so-called MSM.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:45 PM
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1. Weak
Very weak.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:46 PM
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2. Yeah, and I'm sure AP was all over
everytime fucking bush broke a promise or a law. Fuck them.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:48 PM
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3. They are reaching pretty far on this one. Total Crap n/t
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:49 PM
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4. So am I. I was a smoker. Quitting was the hardest thing I've done
in a very long time. It's harder than quitting other addictions. But I did it.

For those who still smoke and can't seem to quit no matter how hard they try, check out an e-cig. That is what helped me. I use zero nicotine in mine now.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:49 PM
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5. Calvin Woodward is a tool.
His last bit of journalism:

Media Matters:

"According to the Associated Press, the stimulus bill being passed by Congress contains "pork" because it might pay for a highway construction project in Indiana, which in turn might remind people of the Bridge To Nowhere. And that means Obama's a hypocrite because he's trying to have it "both ways." Boy, nothing like laying on the GOP talking points, eh?

From the AP's Calvin Woodward's latest misadventure in journalism:

President Barack Obama had it both ways Monday when he promoted his stimulus plan in Indiana. He bragged about getting Congress to produce a package with no pork, yet boasted it will do good things for a Hoosier highway and a downtown overpass, just the kind of local projects lawmakers lard into big spending bills.

But does Woodward have the slightest idea--proof--whether the vaguely referenced highway construction in Indiana would be some sort of wasteful boondoggle? No. Does the AP know if th project would be unneeded? No. Does Woodward know if the highway's a pet project of a local politician? No, he does not. But it sounds like it might be, so he used it to claim Obama's not being truthful about the stimulus bill.

Can the media's economic 'debate' get any dumber? "
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:55 PM
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6. Wow. This article makes the AP look completely foolish.
Raising taxes on poison to give more low income children health insurance?

Yeah, that Obama surely is a monster.

:eyes:

I hope the AP writes more "scathing" articles like this; Obama's approval rating might just surpass 75% if they do.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:40 AM
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25. Raising taxes on addicted people
is horrendous. If as a society we want our children to have health care we should all pay for it. Taxing the poorest with addictions is pretty regressive.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:55 PM
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7. What a ridiculous stretch.
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 01:55 PM by Occam Bandage
OMG THEY NEED TO MEANS-TEST POINT-OF-SALE TAXES!!!!!!!
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:55 PM
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8. Wow. That's just ridiculous - the AP has really gone to shit.
I mean that's some pretty ridiculous spin.

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:58 PM
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10. They might as well have included "This article was brought to you by Phillip Morris".
It's that obvious. So obvious, in fact, that this "criticism" can only help Obama.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:58 PM
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9. "I am so sick of the bias in the so-called MSM."
What's sad is that the AP isn't supposed to be the MSM. At least not in a sense. For decades it was considered to be the one source of neutral headline-news reporting available globally.

Now its become just another slanted $ influenced opinionator like any media conglomerate. :(

A really sad, no even tragic loss for journalism.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 02:02 PM
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11. Someone on this board posted this as a defense for their outrage
I have no problem with this tax. This article is awful.
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Roadless Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 02:22 PM
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12. Holy shit. That reads like an editorial.
Disgraceful.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 02:32 PM
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13. See, now when a BS story like this is posted in this manner, it's fair.
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 02:33 PM by redqueen
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:00 PM
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14. Patience. The AP (and their clientele, newspapers) is dying.
In ten years, they will be gone.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 04:21 PM
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15. The problem isn' the AP per se. Another smarmy, manipulative source
will just pop up in its place.

The problem is people's willingness to be led around by the nose by these freaks.
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 04:23 PM
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16. I have no problem with this tax
And I am a former smoker myself.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 04:25 PM
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17. Authorized Propaganda strikes again. n/t
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 04:27 PM
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18. Hi masuki bance,
Please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to four paragraphs.

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover
DU Mod
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 04:28 PM
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19. Ok, got it.
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ShareTheWoods Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 04:47 PM
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20. The only stupidity is that he did not tax booze also
A dollar a six pack, two bucks for wine etc would go a long way to funding health care for those that can't afford it now.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 05:07 PM
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21. "The extra money will be used to finance a major expansion of health insurance for children."
OMG!!1!

How TERRIBLE!!1!


Dontcha just luv our "LIBERAL" media.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:25 AM
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22. A good share of members here think the 'article' in the OP is valid criticism. (nt)
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:34 AM
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23. you mean the "DU dissenters union for goodness and rightness"?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:51 AM
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26. I mean whoever thinks this is fair criticism. (nt)
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 10:51 AM by redqueen
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 11:09 AM
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27. yup, that would be them.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:40 AM
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24. Yeah, Mister Crazy Pants Batsh*t Insane Glenn Beck was having a field day with this today.
Having his smoker-listeners call in and say, "Oh, I must be the ONLY ONE making under $250,000 who's being additionally taxed by Obama ... hahahahaha."



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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 12:01 PM
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28. Can't really blame him... it's selling with some Dems, too. (nt)
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