Clinton calls for stricter Antarctic tourism limits

[Beacool]

(CNN) — Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called for tighter controls over tourism and other forms of pollution in Antarctica Monday, arguing for greater global cooperation to help preserve the continent's environmental and scientific research value.

Addressing a joint session of the Arctic Council and the Antarctic Treaty Consultative Meeting in Baltimore, Maryland, Clinton said the Obama administration is concerned about the growing popularity of tourism in the southern polar region. She said the United States is proposing new international limits on the number of landings from tourist vessels, as well as greater cooperation to prevent potentially hazardous discharges from those ships.

Her remarks came as the United States helped mark the fiftieth anniversary of Antarctic Treaty, a model for "how agreements created for one age can serve the world in another," Clinton said.

Clinton also noted that President Barack Obama sent the U.S. Senate an amendment to the treaty last Friday that would spell out how the international community should better prevent and respond to environmental emergencies in Antarctica. The amendment would cover the question of liability tied to environmental damage in the ecologically sensitive region.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/06/clinton-calls-for-stricter-antarctic-tourism-limits/#more-46682

[XemaSab]

1. Though I was not a supporter of her during the primary

She's doing a great job at state. :toast:

[Beacool]

23. Yes, she is.

:hi:

[Hutzpa]

2. Excellent

this is where the problem stems from with global warming.
Thank ma'am

Madam Secretary....


:thumbsup:

[AtomicKitten]

3. Be sure to advise us which are Clinton's directives vs. Obama's directives.

Clinton telling China that human rights abuses were no big thang was apparently Obama's policy according to you, but you are fine with calling this Clinton's policy.

Please advise so we can adjust our outrage/approval meters accordingly.

[Hutzpa]

7. It's called Bipolar

I think...:shrug:

[hileeopnyn8d]

8. You mean like this thread from yesterday called:

"Obama Calls for Limits on Tourism in Antartica"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3816386

I see a little disconnect.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. LOL. Disconnect my ass.

That's blatant clusterfuckery.

[AtomicKitten]

11. Just a teensy disconnect, eh? Oy.

Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts)

Mon Apr-06-09 08:05 AM

28. Well, they are geographically only a few miles away.

The US, as usual, imposing regulations on other nations.

x(

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

14. I don't see what your problem is.

When it's Obama's policy it gets a x(.

I'm sure now it will get a :thumbsup: :toast: :bounce: with a sprinkle of :applause:

It all makes perfect sense :crazy:. Doesn't it?

[AtomicKitten]

22. she was against it before she was for it

got it!

[Beacool]

26. Where in this thread did I say I was for it?

:shrug:

[joshcryer]

73. Heh, they got caught so badly.

Hilarious.

[AtomicKitten]

78. "they"

Hillaryous.

[Beacool]

25. Some of you have a vivid imagination.

Cute.........

:eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

31. and apparently your attention span < 6-1/2 hours

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

77. I'm not the one contradicting myself. Come on lady let it go. nt

[karynnj]

19. But after a good night's sleep,

she sees that this is - of course - the way to go.

[Bobbieo]

16. What difference does it make as long as it is done?

[AtomicKitten]

28. Here's the difference:

6-1/2 hours ago here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3816386 when presented as Obama's policy, she was against it.

But presented as Clinton's policy, she rushes to post it.

6-1/2 hours later. You do the math.

[Bobbieo]

34. I don't care whose policy it is as long as it is done!!! This is too important to nit pick over.

[AtomicKitten]

36. Just pointing out the disparity in how policy is perceived.

According to the OP, if it's good, it's Clinton; if it's bad (i.e., turning a blind eye to Human Rights), it's Obama. And that ain't nitpicking, it's the reality of the glaring disparity in outrage vs. accolade that goes down on these boards day in and day out.

[Bobbieo]

43. I thought the election was over in November and Obama won!!!

[AtomicKitten]

44. Beacool apparently didn't get the memo.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8325340&mesg_id=8325497

[biopowertoday]

52. neither do nitpickers such as yourself.

[AtomicKitten]

54. Ah, the bat signal has gone out I see.

[Aloha Spirit]

76. Ugh.

[Beacool]

24. Oh, Kitten, Kitten,

Sheath your claws. Did I post any comments with the thread?

I didn't think so.

;-)

[AtomicKitten]

30. 6-1/2 hours ago when presented as Obama's policy, you were against it.

You are transparent as hell, Ms. Thang.

[Beacool]

35. You are as unfriendly as ever Ms. Kitten.

I don't agree with US imposing their will on Latin America. I've seen enough US involvement in the region, to their great detriment.

Ever talked to someone who has been tortured with a cattle prod or who crossed the Andes on FOOT to flee the oppressive regime that was put in place thanks to the encouragement and aid of our government?

My point is that we have no right to impose anything on any nation in the region. If Chile and Argentina are in accord, then great.

[AtomicKitten]

38. And you got caught in your own spin. Sad, but that's your fault. n/t

[Beacool]

39. What spin?

I only opened a thread and didn't comment on it. The spin came from a couple of you.

:shrug:

[karynnj]

60. If that is so important why are you such a strong fan of the Clintons

who were among the Democrats who favored the US supporting the Contras.

[Beacool]

65. Because I know Hillary and she's a terrific person.

;)

[ClarkUSA]

93. Bwahahaha! How Hillaryous! You've exposed Beacool's CATTY ways succinctly.

[karynnj]

33. You didn't - what is your opinion now?

Still think it a problem? The question I have is that because Antarctica is unpopulated - except for scientists and tourists who come from elsewhere, who should set laws there? Should it be lawless?

[Beacool]

37. It is not lawless.

I have no problem whatsoever with bringing up this issue as long as it's not an imposition to the Southern cone nations and they also are in agreement.

[karynnj]

50. If it is not lawless - some country or countries imposed some rules

[JTFrog]

47. This subthread is so full of ownage.

:rofl:
:rofl:



:rofl:
:rofl:

[biopowertoday]

81. Of course it is President Obama's policy

--which the SOS is carrying out (the downplaying of human rights in China)--and Pres. Obama is doing the same in Afgan. What planet do you live on?

[AtomicKitten]

90. The Planet Consistency.

n/t

[ej510]

4. I agree with the secretary. We must preserve that area. The only thing we need to do is to focus on

environmental issues, because Antarctica is an indicator of how bad things are getting in regards to climate change.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

5. She's doing an excellent job! Thanks for the updates, Beacool.

[Beacool]

27. You're welcome.

:hi:

[ej510]

6. I agree with the secretary. We must preserve that area. The only thing we need to do is to focus on

environmental issues, because Antarctica is an indicator of how bad things are getting in regards to climate change.

[NYC_SKP]

9. Rec #5. Hah!

<-----"Woof!"


Take THAT!!! :hi:

[Beacool]

29. Hi, Pooch!!!

How are you, my friend?

Me, getting clobbered as usual.

:eyes:

Hugs to you!!


:hug:

[hileeopnyn8d]

12. I'm confused

weren't you against this yesterday? You had a frowny face in your post, and said that the US was "once again imposing regulations on other nations."

What changed? That's a rhetorical question.

[AtomicKitten]

13. Yesterday? It was 6-1/2 hours ago.

[hileeopnyn8d]

18. LOL!

I didn't even notice that! I knew the thread was from yesterday, I didn't even look at the time.

That's just silly. Like being your own evil twin or something.

[redqueen]

20. Wow.

That's a quick turnaround.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

15. Hey, why are you bringing up old shit.?

:evilgrin:

[ieoeja]

17. We need to find a cabinet member of our own to worship!

I have never seen an underling get so much attention before. It is rather sad.

[Beacool]

41. If by "underling" you mean Hillary, you must be jesting!!!!!

Underling, that's the funniest thing I've read here recently.

:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

42. Underling: One of lesser rank or authority than another; a subordinate.

You really need to pull up your socks and face the fact that she serves at Obama's pleasure.

[Beacool]

49. Oh, please...................

:eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

55. So you dispute that Obama is POTUS and Clinton serves at his pleasure?

That explains a lot.

Clap louder.

[ieoeja]

82. Now we know how she survived the primaries. She apparently believes Clinton won. n/t

I seem to recall her comments on inaugural day centered around Hillary being on stage for the swearing in. If I remember correctly, the way she posted that day sounded like Hillary was being sworn in as president.

[AtomicKitten]

84. Explains a lot, doesn't it?

spectacular denial

[Joe the Revelator]

61. Holy shit

you and reality have a complete disconnect.

[Beacool]

32. Because I lived in Argentina and I don't like it when the US

lords it over the continent imposing its views. If Argentina, Chile and the other countries involved agree, then fine.

:shrug:

[hileeopnyn8d]

40. I can understand that

but aside from a slightly misleading headline from the Fox article yesterday, that article if you read between their negative spin, says the same thing this one does.

Which was that on Monday (today) U.S. diplomats will propose amending the 50-year-old Antarctic Treaty at the joint session of the Arctic Council and the Antarctic Treaty Consultative Meeting in Baltimore, Maryland.

The other countries are/were always going to be involved, according to both articles.

[Beacool]

46. Here they talk about being so progressive,

but few know the meaning of true fear that is brought on by living under a military junta. I was a child and my much older brother was as left wing as they come. I remember the people that he took into his Apt. who crossed the Andes into Argentina to escape Pinochet's regime. People who would have been killed if they had remained in Chile. People who left everything behind: family, friends, jobs and all their belongings. These people sought refuge from certain death. Some had been already tortured, women were also raped and, if they had been pregnant, their babies were taken away from them and given up for adoption. I used to bring these people to my brother's place (sort of an underground railway). I was a kid and therefore wouldn't arouse suspicion. These people were instructed to look at the ground so that if they were caught they couldn't point to an address and place their helpers in danger. Most of them were given political asylum in Brazil and then Europe.

When my diplomat father found out what my brother had done and how he put me and himself in danger, they had a terrible row. The end result was that my brother moved to France and never set foot in the US again. He was disgusted with our government (regardless of party). The US financed, trained and supported every military junta in Latin America.

[hileeopnyn8d]

51. I know the horrible history

and I feel the same way you do about it.

But that really doesn't explain why this was bad when you thought it was Obama, and good now that it's Hillary.

I understand that your first inclination, given your background, is to doubt US motives, but it really is the same story as yesterday. I'm just asking for a little intellectual honesty.

And I hope you understand that I'm not trying to join in on the bandwagon to gang up on you, my first post was started before I saw any others.

[Beacool]

53. I posted the thread because it was a conference that Hillary attended.

Since I have mixed feelings about US involvement in the region, I deliberately abstained from adding a comment. Therefore, I don't see why the outrage from several here. I'll refrain from further comment until I see how Chile, Argentina, Australia and the others involved react to this US proposal.

[karynnj]

58. Not everyone supported these juntas

Most republicans and some Democrats did - The Clintons and Gore were in favor of legally supporting the Contras. One of the few high potential Democrats who risked his future to investigate illegal US support for them was John Kerry. That and his stand on Vietnam is why I considered him more than a standard politician.

[Beacool]

63. True, but it was the CIA who lent their stealth support.

We seem to care for human rights only when it's convenient to our own interests. Pinochet ruled Chile with an iron hand for almost 20 years and we all but placed him in power. Ditto in Argentina, Paraguay, etc. We didn't give a rat's ass that the governments that we helped to overthrow were democratically elected. We only cared that they were considered too left wing and feared that they would destabilize the region. How about Noriega? We placed that creep in power. Same for Marcos in the Philippines and all the others.

BTW, by "we" I mean our government not individuals.

:(

[joshcryer]

21. Have you guys seen the movie "Life at the End of Earth"? It shows a somewhat polluting town...

...that is remarkable in every way. It's an industrial hotspot that everyone uses before they go off to explore the inner depths.

[indimuse]

45. KNR!

Thanks for the post, Beacool! :)

[Beacool]

48. You are most welcome.

:D

Forgot to mention that I love the pic in your sig.

[indimuse]

56. it is beautiful..

isn't it? Take care,and I'll see ya around!:hi:

:kick:

[Beacool]

57. You too!!!

:pals:

[biopowertoday]

86. see you

around old friend.

[madohioan]

59. Thanks to regulations, the ozone layer has shrunk there

This new wave of environmental regulations are welcome indeed.

[depakid]

62. How about getting the fucking whalers out?

[Beacool]

64. Disgusting what they are doing to the whales

and the worst offenders are the Asian nations, particularly Japan and China.

x(

[Liberal_in_LA]

66. America doesn't own Anarctic. Who are we to control who goes there?

Just like Dumbya implying the US controls space and the moon. sheesh!

[Beacool]

68. Thank you for pointing this out.

I tried to make that point in another thread and got beaten up over it.

:eyes:

[Liberal_in_LA]

72. Once America starts controlling it, gawd help us all. approval 2 travel there & other barriers will

be established.

[JTFrog]

74. Yeah, that's what you did, you poor little victim you.

:eyes:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

91. The Victim Card. Don't leave home without it.

:hi:

[Occam Bandage]

88. "Calls for," not "imposes." nt

[BlooInBloo]

67. Way to go President Clinton!

[Beacool]

69. Wrong Clinton, Bloo

Then again maybe not, who can predict the future?

:7

[BlooInBloo]

70. Keep hope alive!

[Beacool]

71. What else is there?

Where there is life, there's hope.

;)

[JTFrog]

75. Bwahahahahahhahahahahaha!

:rofl:
:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

79. Yahtzee!

[nomaco-10]

83. LOL...

Now come on now, they're just trying to "keep hope alive" so the dream will never die. lol.

[biopowertoday]

80. Lots of Hillary bashing

on the comment section of cnn article. Some goes for DU when posts of our new SOS are posted. It is shameful.

[Beacool]

85. Ignore them Bio, as I'm doing.

Not worth our time.

Take care!!!

:hug:

[biopowertoday]

87. I will

try to remember that. best.

[ClarkUSA]

89. Despite her recent gaffes, Hillary is a functional mouthpiece for Pres. Obama's policy decisions.

[Vidar]

92. Good for Hillary.