Well, Yeah, Just Like, uh, Because

[NanceGreggs]

Honestly, it’s not that we think all of you are bat-shit crazy – just some of you. And here’s why we think so …

Because you listen to a drug-addled tub o’ lard like Rush Limbaugh and actually believe he knows what he’s talking about.

Because you honestly accept that there is such a thing as “the gay agenda” being promoted in our schools and elsewhere.

Because you think “the gays” are determined to “convert” the entire straight world into being homosexual – and because you still haven’t come up with a plausible motive for this, but you believe it anyway. (Maybe it’s because you believe that you are SO HOT, neither sex can keep from desiring you and wanting you as their own.)

Because you think that still living in your mom’s basement beyond your fortieth birthday, your only source of "income" being a government-funded disability check to compensate you for an early onset of carpal-tunnel syndrome due to over-posting on sites like FR, doesn’t disqualify you as being “a grown-to-adulthood, contributing-to-society man who KNOWS what he’s talking about”.

Because you rant about the Obama administration being bent on curtailing your “rights and freedoms” when you supported The Chimp illegally wire-tapping your phone, tracking your internet activity, and demanding that your local library give up the info on what books you borrowed.

Because you watch Fox-News and actually believe it’s fair-and-balanced, accurate reporting – no matter how many times they have to “retract” a news story they’ve been caught doctoring, how many videos they have to admit to “editing” in order to advance a totally false premise, how many times they “fix” a news story about a Republican politician caught in a scandal by simply putting a (D) after his name in the bottom-screen caption.

Because you accept wholeheartedly that there actually were over three thousand Al Q’eada members who occupied the No. 2 position in the “organization” – who were all summarily hunted down and killed – some more than once.

Because you believe that a whack-job like Sean Hannity is a “journalist”, that Ann Coulter is a “writer” of repute, that Bill O’Reilly is a shoot-from-the-hip truthteller.

Because you know for a fact that Saddam had WMDs, despite all evidence to the contrary – and you can prove it with a sextant devised by a man who co-existed with dinosaurs, a made-in-China-by-slave-laborers astrolabe, and a slightly damaged-during-shipping but-nonetheless-inspiring-AND-entertaining Spirograph (FUN for the whole RW Faimily!).

Because you take pride in the fact that G.W. Bush “kept the nation safe” after he ignored the intelligence that led to the worst attack on the country in history.

Because you think that reading The Pet Goat to a schoolroom full of kids is the best response to a devastating attack on two US cities evah!

Because you think that electing and supporting someone like Michelle Bachman is an appropriate way to recognize and/or find suitable employment for the mentally disabled.

Because you embrace a diaper-clad, whoremonger like Vitter and a pedophile like Foley as being representative of good Christian family values.

Because you supported no-bid contracts to companies like Halliburton and KBR, who delivered fetid water to soldiers-on-the-ground at exorbitant prices, while touting lapel pins and bumperstickers as genuine support of the troops.

Because you think that Obama wanting to spend money on trifles like education and healthcare is tantamount to treason, while W borrowing TRILLIONS to fund an unwinnable war and tax-cuts for the wealthiest individuals and corporations was fiscally sound.

Because you still believe that the nation will somehow forget that one drunken, illiterate, draft-dodging, coke-snorting, pretzel-choking, vacation-taking, stand-by-while-an-American-city-drowns, surplus-destroying, out-of-control debt-up-our- collective-national-ass’s, frat-boy antics-loving, misunderestimated asshole isn’t YOUR party’s contribution to US history.

Because you are so obviously brain-washed and brain-dead.

It’s not that we believe all right-wing, conservative, Republican voters are bat-shit crazy – we just believe that a lot of you are – and with good reason.

Why? Go back to the beginning of this post, and read it again …slowly … and … carefully (or, better yet, have one of your literate friends read it for you).

[ccharles000]

1. K/R

Really great Nance.:hug:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. The Perfect Rant!

Love it, Nance!

K&R

The first of many, I don't doubt!

:yourock:

[csziggy]

3. OMG - that was GREAT! K&R

[Divine Discontent]

4. snicker! so effin spot-on! what I love is when they complain about Obama coming for their guns

when they didn't say a damn peep about lil boots taking away so much of their civil liberties, and, well, everything else you mentioned so wonderfully... hehe...

:hug:

[firedupdem]

5. K&R! n/t

[Divine Discontent]

6. feels good to get to be the 5th rec

on a NanceGreggs thread and say, off to the greatest with thee!

And don't think I haven't said some of these very things to some of my Repub acquaintances when they complained about Obama getting elected - and it felt good. I always ask, were you in a coma from 2001-2008, because B*shie did some really horrific things as president...

[NBachers]

7. HEY - I LIKE the Spirograph

But I haven't toadilly mastered it yet.

[Webster Green]

8. Nice!

Take that, you knuckleheads! :applause:

[Two Americas]

9. an unfortunate and counter-productive caricature

Few people fit your profile, and the general public is shifting dramatically to the Left.

Promoting these condescending and contemptuous attitudes, held by many relatively upscale liberals against the general public, is bad politics and cam only hurt the Democratic party.

The attitude you are expressing is a prime reason for people resenting liberalism, and that is a significant cause of their vulnerability to the appeals of the right wing.

We are not Democrats in order to feel personally smug and superior to our fellow citizens. If they are ignorant, we ourselves are largely to blame, and who in the world would ever listen to anyone who talked to them the way you are talking here?

The people cannot very well reject the right wing when they do not hear a powerful and persuasive alternative narrative, and far too often this sort of hateful and self-righteous screed is what takes the place of any such narrative and becomes the only thing that many people hear from us.

The people just repudiated Reaganomics and the religious right, although one would not know that by reading many of the posts here, and that is something that we need to acknowledge and encourage.


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[NanceGreggs]

10. "There are none so blind ...

... as those who WILL NOT see."

Take that any way you want to.

"The people cannot very well reject the right wing when they do not hear a powerful and persuasive alternative narrative ..."

The "powerful and persuasive narrative" has been out there - (also known as "facts and common sense") - and there are still some who believe that the truth has a Librul bias.

This OP is for THEM - being as so many of them are now lurking or actively posting on this site.

They know who they are.

"If they are ignorant, we ourselves are largely to blame ..." Yeah, I get your point - there's nothing more ignorance-inducing than facts that continue to be ignored. If only we left-wingers had gone along with this flat earth theory, we might have won a few more hearts and minds ...

[Two Americas]

42. The "powerful and persuasive narrative" has been out there?

On wiretapping?

On marriage equality?

On Reaganomics and Wall Street?

On Labor?

On the war on terror?

On the war on drugs?

On public education?

On corporate agri-business?

On health care?

On war crimes?

On aggressive imperialistic war?

By what delusional stretch of the imagination? Whatever it is that is coming from the Democratic party leadership, it most certainly is not a powerful and persuasive alternative narrative.

Strip away those examples - which the facts and common sense demand that we do - and the only thing left in your attack, the only real feud you have with your imagined evil group of social inferiors is on matters of fashion and style.

I have spoken to groups of rural Republican voting people around the country for years, and I can tell you from direct experience that the people there are very responsive and supportive of a powerful and persuasive alternative left wing narrative. They don't ever hear it.

Who is it that is denying facts and common sense?



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[NanceGreggs]

54. We are obviously speaking at cross purposes ...

This OP is NOT about Republicans nor conservatives in general - it is directed at those described above, who are willfully ignorant and choose to remain so.

I've said that the facts are, or should be, a "powerful and persuasive" argument - and I am talking about facts here, not political rhetoric or the presenting of alternative political thought and action.

The people described in my OP choose to remain resistant to facts - like those who sat through "An Inconvenient Truth" and still insist that the footage was doctored, because no such environmental devastation actually exists.

[Two Americas]

59. right

You have proved that stupid people are stupid. That goes without saying. Yes, stupid people do exist. Yes, stupid people ignore facts. Yes people with stupid opinions express stupid opinions.

So what?

[OnyxCollie]

67. They vote.

[hobbit709]

11. The description definitely fits the 24%ers.

[saltpoint]

20. It does. Very good point. That demographic is one of the most stubborn

realities of U.S. political life. They STILL believe George W. Bush was a great president.

One or two of us on DU beg to differ.

[Two Americas]

47. maybe 10-12%

If the whole point here is that there is 10% or so of the population who will always be reactionary, and ignorant, that is certainly true. But to base any political opposition to the right wing on that is foolish and self-indulgent at best.

What difference does it make if liberals are "more intelligent" or more fashionable and stylish if they defend and promote the same political program? Many are.

Over the last 40 years, liberalism and the Democratic party have been increasingly dominated by those whose political sentiments have more to do with personal identification as one of the socially superior people then any political ideas that could even remotely be considered left wing, and that will always inevitably be politically conservative, no matter how much fancy rhetoric we dress it up in.


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[Lilith Velkor]

61. "They" are all disabled poor people. Don't forget that.

AFAIC, everybody on this thread whooping and high-fiving the OP can kiss my commie ass.

[Two Americas]

68. there we go

Thought I was the only one. Thanks.

[ShortnFiery]

13. I can fully relate to your thoughts and sentiments.

In my right wing extended family, I'm treated dismissively and often mocked behind my back.

I know Nance was being "tongue-in-cheek" and she is super intelligent and witty.

However, when it comes to people interacting in public places or one on one, it's best to learn someone's life experiences. There are underlying reasons why so many people will choose authority figures in times of hardship.

The issues that drive people right wing are complex.

I still believe that my beloved late father was "a Democrat in disguise" because he had the heart of a social worker. :-)

[JohnnyLib2]

15. Very thought-provoking reply.

Living in a red state, I have to co-exist with the opposing attitudes toward liberals.

[saltpoint]

19. The Right gets what it pays for. And what it has ordered since Nixon is

a deterioration of public discourse and a hard, purposeful erosion of the idea that We are the government.

To the extent the Right makes 'government' an invasive, alien entity and the enemy of The People, the most shrill Right voices prevail. Witness the dissolution of bipartisanship in both chambers of the Congress. Witness the rightwing jackasses braying out of dashboards every fucking afternoon.

The OP calls these jerks to task. I agree with the spirit and letter of her post.

[OnyxCollie]

24. Having argued with someone who believes

that for 20 years Obama attended a church with a crazy reverend who hates America, all the while hiding his secret Muslim identity, and that people are "catching on" to his Kenyan citizenship, I think Nance's post is spot on.

Republicans are the dumbest, most gullible, hateful motherfuckers around.

[Two Americas]

48. maybe

Maybe Republicans are the dumbest, most gullible, hateful motherfuckers around. But does that justify being gullible and naive and hateful in response? And whom are we talking about when we say "Republicans?"

The Republican party is the political representation for the interests and desires of the wealthy and powerful few. They dupe people by whipping up fears and empowering bigots. But the expression of the ideas that promote those interests and desires are very bit as pervasive right here as anywhere. So is the hatred and bigotry.

You cannot oppose the right wing with anything other than left wing politics, and left wing politics are inconsistent with an arrogant and aristocratic stance based on social status, and on hatred and contemptfor the everyday people. That would be, to use your word, dumb.


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[OnyxCollie]

50. What the hell are you talking about?

"But does that justify being gullible and naive and hateful in response?"

Trying to convince an irrational and illogical person that Obama is not a "secret Muslim" who has been going to a Christian church for 20 years is being "gullible and naive and hateful?"

"You cannot oppose the right wing with anything other than left wing politics..."

I would say, "You cannot oppose the right wing with ANYTHING." These people suffer from some mental impairment. They do not follow logic. They defer to authority, not logic.

Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition
http://www2.uni-jena.de/svw/igc/SS_09/workshop%20Jost/Jost%20et%20al_2003.pdf

[Two Americas]

53. you are not talking politics

Yes there are stupid and ignorant people out there. That is hardly earth shaking news. What does that have to do with politics?

I didn't say that "trying to convince an irrational and illogical person that Obama is not a 'secret Muslim' who has been going to a Christian church for 20 years is being 'gullible and naive and hateful?' I said it was no basis for politics.

You, however did say that it would be naive to try to do that, did you not? - "These people suffer from some mental impairment. They do not follow logic. They defer to authority, not logic. You cannot oppose the right wing with ANYTHING."

Your point here is that stupid people are stupid. How smart is that observation?

Rather than oppose the right wing - or even understand what it is - you prefer hating the small number of people who happen to vote Republican and who are stupid and ignorant. That strongly implies that your political stance has more to do with personal identity - founded on special status - for you than politics.

You have convinced me that stupid people are stupid - no great feat, since I already knew that. You have yet to convince me of the wisdom of your political views.


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[OnyxCollie]

56. We live in a representative government, do we not?

And the officials who are elected represent the will of those who vote for them, right? Well, stupid people vote against their best interests by electing republicans not based on politics, but based on fractured ideologies supported by propaganda.

What most people believe is politics is professional wrestling in disguise. Politics don't interest them.

[Two Americas]

60. you sure you want to go there?

Do you really believe that the elected officials represent the will of those who vote for them?

Do you really believe that there is any "ideology" or "philosophy" to right wing politics?

Do you really believe that people who vote Republican are any more influenced by the propaganda than anyone else?

Do you really believe that people who vote Republican "believe politics is professional wrestling in disguise" and people who vote Democratic do not?



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[OnyxCollie]

64. Go where, mon frere?

"Do you really believe that the elected officials represent the will of those who vote for them?"

Well, that's the theory of representative government. Do I believe it? No. All I have to do is look at the FISA vote by Hoyer, Rockefeller, and yes, Obama to know that's not true.

"Do you really believe that there is any "ideology" or "philosophy" to right wing politics?"

Sure. Capitalism is good, War is good, and anybody who opposes that is bad and must be punished. Severely. Then the Rapture will happen.

"Do you really believe that people who vote Republican are any more influenced by the propaganda than anyone else?"

Survey says, "Yes!"

"Do you really believe that people who vote Republican "believe politics is professional wrestling in disguise" and people who vote Democratic do not?"

I should have more accurately written, "...believe professional wrestling in disguise is politics." To answer your question, I would say that, on the whole, repubs believe that more so than Democrats but, since the repub party has NO redeeming qualities and the Democratic party has some, it has a greater and more serious impact on the nation.

[Two Americas]

69. we see things differently

It happens. I think we have hit an impasse. Thanks for the responses. Give my ideas some consideration, if you are so inclined. That is all that I would ask, and is far more than I expect.


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[OnyxCollie]

70. It's been fun.

:hi:

[Two Americas]

72. thanks

We haven't encountered each other here before, I don't think. My bark is much worse than my bite. Speaking of which, tell us about that critter on the tire swing there. Great photo.

[OnyxCollie]

74. That's my boy, Dante.

Sweet, loyal, and friendly. A Belgian sheepdog, part of a pack of four.

[Two Americas]

76. very nice

Thanks.

[The Wizard]

79. During Republican rule

professional wrestling gains popularity. Who cares what Republicans think? The radical proclivities of their leadership have pushed them to the margin. The propaganda isn't working anymore.

[Two Americas]

84. there isn't any "them"

That is a media created myth. The working people in the country have far more in common than not.

There is no horde of "fundies" coming after us. They are all moving away from Reaganomics and the religious right. Too many here are still steeped in the "culture war" battles and political fantasy world the right wing propagandists created, and still believe all of the myths associated with that. Being "against" the "ideas" the right wingers spout is no different than being "for" them. In both cases, people are accepting and internalizing the premises and assumptions, and that is all the rulers care about, not what anyone's personal opinion about that may be.

The propaganda is working quite well. Unfortunately, it is the knowledgeable liberals and Democrats who are mist influenced by it now. The general public has seen through it, or the Democrats would not be in power. The propaganda is aimed mostly at liberals, not at some base in order to rally them. A prime feature of that propaganda is to give us a false view of the people, and a false idea as to the nature of the opposition, what the battle is about, and where the battle lines are. That is not so much to defeat us, but to make sure we never show up on the battle lines and instead are shadow boxing with imaginary enemies over imaginary issues. It is the rare post here that ever contradicts the propaganda about that in any way at all.

We are being steered to blame our fellow have-nots, and not look at what the haves are doing. Slap a "Democratic" label on the program to advance the interests of the haves, and many Democrats fall all over themselves to support it. Making up a group of people to hate is essential for the illusion to have a hold over people and to get them to go along with the program of the rulers and the haves. Ironic, then, that people point the finger at Republicans and accuse them of acting against their own self-interest. No one is doing that more obviously and dramatically than the super-loyal partisan Democrats are right now.



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[The Wizard]

85. Sometimes us is

them as me is you and I am me as we are all together, coo coo cachoo. I am the Walrus.

[Runcible Spoon]

86. Absolutely correct.

I thought we were trying to get away from this latte liberal elitism, speaking of caricatures!

[TankLV]

98. Sorry if you and your repuke party cohortsf can't stand the TRUTH...

at least we know WHAT & WHO you are...

[Two Americas]

99. LOL

I sure do sound scary.

:scared:

OMG! You know who and what I am!!!


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[hfojvt]

100. we love our comfort food, it tastes like victory

comfort food is the pleasing notion that the other tribe is so very, very stupid. Completely unlike us. We are Jets, and when you're a Jet, you're a Jet for life. Jets' rule and Sharks drool. And if you disagree, then Krup you! You're probably just another Shark in Jet clothing.

[Political Tiger]

12. K & R !!!!

:loveya:

[jimlup]

14. Is this a letter to the wacko in Pennslyvania who shot the police?

If not, it coincidentally fits perfectly.

[Bluzmann57]

16. Dammit!

I had to wipe off the desk before I posted a reply because your post caused me to laugh and spew cereal all over the place. Great post.

[saltpoint]

17. Mama done turned the freeper kids over her knee and whomped their fannies

good.

Whoa.

It would please me a great deal to be in a room with any lurking freeper on DU, Nance. You put 'em in the cultural blender and cranked it up to 'high' with this one.

You know those "KaPow" sound-bubbles they put in the comic books when SpiderMan whacks The Lizard? This post deserves some of those.

Terrific.

[Bluenorthwest]

18. Well, pretending that 'they' oppose GLBT equality

when in fact the President and Vice President as well as the Chairman of the DNC all oppose equal rights for MY family is a bit disingenous. Kaine opposes any form of rights, including civil unions.
Just to be clear. Obama repeated again yesterday that he opposes the Vermont decision. He presonally does not support equality, and he said so again on the day of celebration.
The truth is the truth and it will set us free.

[Uzybone]

23. Obama repeated again yesterday that he opposes the Vermont decision

Bald faced lie.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. Nope, sadly not so

The White House clearly said that while he thinks the states should be allowed to decide for themselves, he personally does not support marriage equality and instead supports civil unions.
Here is his statement on the Iowa decisoin:
"The President respects the decision of the Iowa supreme court, and continues to believe that states should make their own decisions when it comes to the issue of marriage. Although President Obama supports civil unions rather than same-sex marriage, he believes that committed gay and lesbian couples should receive equal rights under the law."

So he respects the decision, but he does not agree, for he supports civil unions and does not support marriage equality. It is what it is, like it or not. Now Gov Tim Kaine, the Chariman of the Party, he also opposes civil unions, which is even more extreme.
Wish it were other wise, but it is what it is. Bluster will not change the facts.

[Uzybone]

31. So how does that mean he opposed the Vermont decision?

you are spinning hard. The statement refers to Iowa, yet you said he repeated again that he opposed Vermont.


He said he supports the states decision and their right to determine the issue, but personally believes in civil unions. How does that mean he opposes the state decision? If a republican was providing spin like this we would be appalled. But its ok to smear a democrat.

[Bluenorthwest]

35. Yesterday's quote I can not find, sorry

It was similar to the Iowa qoute, but included the word 'personal' about the President's opposition to equal marriage rights.
He said he 'respects' the state's decsions, but does not presonally agree with them, and instead favors civil unions, which are not equal rights. He could have said he supports the state's decions. He did not. He could have said he was happy for those who are happy about it. He did not.
He oppposes marriage equality. He says so all the time. It is not spin to quote the man, and I wish he felt differently. Wishing does not make it so.
It is not a smear to say what he himself says, that he personally opposes marriage equality. He issued a statement that is what it is, and is not what it is not.
I'm taking him at his word. That is not spin, no matter how much you wish he was a supporter, he's on the fence. He's not as bad as Gov Kaine, his choice of Party Charimen, who opposes civil unions as well as marriage. He supports better than Kaine. But he does not support equal marriage laws, and he says so over and over again.
Show me a quote from the last decade in which Obama says he supports full equality. You can not. Because he does not. He says what he says. Wishing and accusing will not change that. His opinion is a matter of public record.

[Uzybone]

38. I never said he supports full equality

I know he doesn't, which is sad indeed. But saying he opposes the states decisions is not true.

You make up lies and then argue against them.

[Bluenorthwest]

40. If you want to split hairs, fine.

He did not say he supported the State's decsions, he said he respected them, but restated that his own position is not the same as the one they made into law, that is, he has an opposing view point. That is what he said. He could have simply said that he 'respects the state's decision' and left it at that. But the statement went on to repeat that the President holds a differing view.
Is a differing view not the same as an opposing view? To me, one of those views is right, the other is wrong. That is opposite, at least to me. Would it be better if I said 'he holds a differing view from the Vermont decision"? Maybe. Moderation in words is important. Hyperbole leads to hyperbole, all over the DU.
What I wish is that our Party's clear stand on universal human rights and equality was starkly differing from the Republican Party's stand. As it is now, that is not the case. I have to squint to see the light between some of our leadership and some of theirs. In part because of the parsing of words and the sitting on fences.

[Two Americas]

44. here it is

Here is some of that "powerful and persuasive alternative narrative" that we are supposed to believe the general public is too stupid to grasp.

[Hellataz]

78. If he was really against Gay Marriage then why did he OPPOSE Prop 8?

It seems odd that he doesn't want gays to get married in Vermont but is ok with it in California.
I think people read way too much into Obama's personal religious belief about gay marriage. Even if he was against it, the point is he would never stand in the way of it because he doesn't believe in injecting his own religious beliefs into law.

[QC]

26. Oh well, you know how it is--God is in the mix and everything.

:sarcasm:

[Bluenorthwest]

32. I just want to call things by their actual names

and it is not fair to claim 'we support and they don't' when 'we' don't either. Fair is fair. If you do not support full equality, that must be said. I understand the urge many have to see Obama as being the opposite of the right wing, but on GLBT equality he is simply not the opposite, he is a fence sitter. He says he personally opposes equal rights, based on his religion. His religion also teaches one to never swear an oath, nor pray in public, but he rejects those sections of scripture and embraces the discrimination. That is what it is.
All I'm saying is that he says what he says. His words should stand without spin. He does not support equal marriage rights. Period.

[QC]

34. I agree. He holds basically the same position on this issue as Cheney,

though his votaries can't bring themselves to admit that.

[Bluenorthwest]

36. I had avoided pointing that out

from respect for the sensitivities of the blind folks. But yes, Cheney said the exact same thing. I'm being accused of spin for quoting Obama directly rather than translating him throught the filters. They do not like his position, so they claim it is not his position. Amazing.
I wish they would instead attempt to change his position.

[mecherosegarden]

21. K&R N/T

[saltpoint]

22. If the OP were mistaken in her political position, then it's ok for someone

like Sarah Palin to be the President of the United States.

It would also be ok then for Michelle Bachmann and Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity and Bill O and other far Right propagandists and hate-mongers to continue their assault on the Founders' vision for our national life.

The Constitution sanctions their right to speak; clarity and inclusion would suggest that they are wrong. The same Constitution grants us the privilege -- and responsibility -- to oppose their subversion.

Percentage dismay at Barack Obama's administration on some issues does not excuse dismissal of posts which assail his opponents.

I cheer this post and this OP because the blue team has experienced discernible success in the last few election cycles by calling the Right on its bullshit. I'd like to see that success extended well into our children's and grand-children's lifetimes. It takes a village, and this OP has already gathered the wood for that fire.

If Molly Ivins, Helen Thomas, Joan Didion, and my late grandmother when she was in her younger, union-forming days were all having lunch and reading this OP's blast at the Right, the loud racket that would ensue from their table would be their approving fists pounding its surface.

On a purely selfish note, I love waking up to excellent writing.

[nxylas]

25. I don't think they really believe that Fox Noise is fair and balanced

They know full well it isn't, that's why they watch it. The definition of balance they give is that it balances out the "liberal bias" in the rest of the media. That's the absurdity they believe. I don't deny that the values promoted in most of the mainstream media are a sort of Benetton ad liberalism, a fluffy commitment to social diversity as long as it does not threaten corporate profits, but to pretend that, say, PBS is liberal in the same way that Fox Noise is conservative requires a massive leap of faith.

[pipi_k]

30. You're much kinder to them than I am

I think they really do believe that Fux News is "fair and balanced"

Why?

Because Fux News says it's "fair and balanced".


That's good enough reason for them...

[nxylas]

33. I think it's said with a wink at the audience

Republicans are masters at dog whistle politics, saying one thing while meaning another. The fascist element of the GOP are used to decoding their messages. They know that "fair and balanced" means "we're on your side" just as they know that, say, "voter fraud" means "black folks getting uppity".

[Laelth]

27. K&R. Quite accurate. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[kleec]

28. Thanks!

There are some who believe that you can actually talk with those who listen to right wing trash talk and make sense. That is quite laughable as those RW's who do listen to Rush, etc. (love the drug addled tub of lard reference) are impossible to converse with on an intellectual level. I have tried and tried to convey the idea that there are other voices that would be more helpful to them so that they would not be so filled with fear and anger. It's like shouting into a black hole, they are convinced I tell you, convinced that everything that comes from their sources are the ones telling them the truth. It is a futile exercise and so sad, but that doesn't mean I won't keep trying. ;-)

[cliffordu]

37. Massive K&R..... Perfect.

Note to self:

Don't EVER make NanceGreggs angry....

[DrZeeLit]

39. Great! But you forgot US soldier electrocutions in the showers... paid for by taxpayers.

[solara]

41. Brilliant as usual - thank you

Your writing just keeps getting better and better.. you are world class.


:patriot:

[wiggs]

43. Yes. Enough is enough. Was there something specifically that happened that

caused the NG gloves to come off?

I have a RW friend who I like to banter with, and we talk about his criticisms of the Obama administration on the merits...but sometimes I want to tell him, and have told him, that he simply has no credibility to bring objections about issues a fraction as serious as the ones foisted on us by the previous administration, with his support. The only reason we have extended conversations about politics is due to my patience and generosity...I feel like it is my due, if I want, to be able to say "bite me" and go on with my day and he should have to not only accept it but like it. Because they (the entire RW apparatus of officials, entrenched power, pundits, journalists, and everyday supporters) should feel guilt mixed with hypocrisy and topped with a belief that they've been profoundly misguided. Instead, they are upset about teleprompters.

[Mad_Dem_X]

45. One Word:

PERFECT. :applause:

[MiniMe]

46. Didn't you hear? Castro wants Obama to succeed.

That obviously makes Obama a communist. And the muslins want Obama to succeed. So obviously that makes Obama a damn muslin communist. The horror!

And yes, the mispelling is on purpose.

[dccrossman]

49. K&R

http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904070031

[louis-t]

51. Feels good to let it out, doesn't it?

One of your best.

[newtothegame]

52. Have to agree with post #9...The hatefilled vitriol in the OP doesn't do anybody any favors...

The constant posts like this are pointless on this website and make me feel sorry for these authors who are so clearly miserable and friendless. I come on here to read news and debate how to improve and enact progressive policies, not to read useless rants against an invisible audience. That doesn't take any guts.

ed for sp

[NanceGreggs]

57. If you "come on here to read news ...

... and debate how to improve and enact progressive policies," there's plenty of discussion to be had.

Don't care for "useless rants"? Here's a quick and easy solution: Don't read them.

Or are you suggesting that everyone here should restrict their posts to what you want to read?

(And BTW, I am neither miserable nor friendless - maybe that's because I don't dictate to others what they should be posting about.)

[newtothegame]

63. I guess I'm naive...

Are you honestly suggesting that DU'ers spend their time and money on this site to read hate-filled ramblings against invisible "lurkers" that you claim are infiltrating the site? That not only sounds implausible, but a little insane to be honest.

If I'm naive and this is indeed what DU is for, for tirades against some invisible enemy on the website itself, then this site and its community are not what I thought they were when I stumbled in last summer.

[NanceGreggs]

71. I am honestly suggesting that ...

... DUers' spend their time and money on this site because they are free to choose what to read, what to comment on, what to debate and/or discuss, AND what to post.

Apparently, you don't believe anyone should have that choice.

I never claimed that "lurkers are infiltrating" this site - but they're here.

But I can tell you that DU is widely-read by right-wingers - there are RW websites devoted entirely to what gets said here, and others that feature forums specific to comments about DU.

As a matter of fact, I posted this OP after perusing some of those very sites, and seeing the absolute nonsense that the people I describe in this piece actually believe - all facts to the contrary.

If you truly have a problem with a site that allows CHOICE and FREE SPEECH, perhaps you should start your own website, where you can dictate what gets posted, according to your own specifications.

As I've stated before, if you don't like my stuff, don't read it. It's as simple as that. As you can plainly see, there are others here who DO like it - and the vast majority of them support this site wholeheartedly with their time and money.

[newtothegame]

102. Got a link to those "RW websites devoted entirely to what gets said here?" n/t

[NanceGreggs]

103. It is against DU rules to post those links ...

... or even name the sites.

Google is your friend.

[Oldtimeralso]

55. Nance, Have met my SIL

My Sister-in-law (from Iowa by the way)listens to Rush as she works her minimum wage job, goes home to watch Faux Spews, ("It has to be true or they could not put in on radio or TV.")

She tithes her fundie church that tells her to hate gays.("God said it so it is true.")

She can't stand to be around me and tells me that I'm going to burn in hell for all eternity. (To this I told her that she will see a lot more of me there.)

I really think that you must have interviewed her before this post.

[asdjrocky]

58. There's no gay agenda group?

That's it, I want my dues back. Big K&R!

[The Wielding Truth]

62. My favorite part... Thanks again for spelling it out to them, NG.

"Because you still believe that the nation will somehow forget that one drunken, illiterate, draft-dodging, coke-snorting, pretzel-choking, vacation-taking, stand-by-while-an-American-city-drowns, surplus-destroying, out-of-control debt-up-our- collective-national-ass’s, frat-boy antics-loving, misunderestimated asshole isn’t YOUR party’s contribution to US history."

And we could forgive almost all of it, if he had been working for the betterment of our country instead of following Cheney, and the thugs who wanted world supremacy and were ready willing and able to corrupt any thing that stood in their way.

[Wednesdays]

65. I rec'd this, but with one caveat

"Because you think that still living in your mom’s basement beyond your fortieth birthday, your only source of "income" being a government-funded disability check to compensate you..."

I sincerely do hope the "man living in mom's basement" stereotype dies out soon. Because of learning disabilities, I had to depend on my parents' support until well into adulthood. And because such disabilities were unknown until very recently, people just treated me like the proverbial son in the basement...following the rightwing meme that grown people without jobs are merely lazy. One big reason why I've always resented Repukes.

I do understand your sentiment, though, and overall your writing is a masterpiece.

[NanceGreggs]

73. No, I certainly didn't mean to imply ...

... that anyone who depends on family support, for whatever reason, is lazy or undeserving.

I aimed that particular barb at those who rant on RW websites about how everyone else who collects disability benefits are lazy fakers - while only they have a legitimate need for support.

[Wednesdays]

87. Quite so

Thanks for your response. :hug:

[NanceGreggs]

92. To be quite frank ...

... I'm having a hard time thinking of a single friend of mine who hasn't had to depend on family in their adult years, at one time or another - whether by way of a place to live, or a loan to get them through rough times, etc.

I know my mom was there for me when I needed help, just as I was there for my own kids.

Depending on family/friends is nothing to be ashamed of - in fact, quite the opposite: If your family and friends are willing to help you out, it's probably because they know you're worth the effort, and appreciate that if the tables were turned, you would be there for them.

What I DO have a problem with is RWers who constantly talk about liberal Dems creating "welfare queens" via social assistance of any kind, while in the same breath they state the reasons why they are worthy of assistance, while others are not.

Right back at ya, my friend :hug:

[lucretia54]

66. Whoopie!

Feels good to cleanse oneself every now and then, doesn't it?

[treestar]

75. lol, I loved the Michelle Bachman part!

:rofl:

[Sequoia]

77. Jiminy christmas....excellent !

[Hellataz]

80. Great post, but too short, you could have gone on and on...

[ProgressiveFool]

81. You forgot Palin.

[relayerbob]

89. But you just HAD to remind us ..

;->

[HCE SuiGeneris]

82. bwahahahahaha

;-)

Very astutely stated, Nance.

[Juan_de_la_Dem]

83. Funny

[relayerbob]

88. That's not fair ....

they never worried about what books they checked out of a library. What's a library?

[ColesCountyDem]

90. It's been a long time since Coke came out of my nose from a burst of laughter...

"... bat-shit crazy...."

My all-time favorite phrase to describe RW idiots!

:spray::rofl:

[NanceGreggs]

91. Thanks, CCD ...

... and sorry about the Coke out-the-nose thing.

:hi:

[ColesCountyDem]

104. You're most welcome, and than YOU for posting this!

It still made me laugh again today, when I re-read it.

:hi:

[santamargarita]

93. Jon Stewart said GOP pundits 'confusing tyranny with losing'

:kick: Thanks!

[MadMaddie]

94. Ahhhhh....the truth is so fulfilling!!

Once again Nance you hit it out of the park!!

:applause:

[northofdenali]

95. K&R'd, bookmarked and forwarded.

Terrific rant. :loveya:

[JimWis]

96. Nice job Nance. Especially got a kick out of the sentence about

Bachman. Right on.

[saltpoint]

97. 'Already rec'd this last evening and absent the actual click on the

link gizmo, I'm recommending it again tonight.

[RandomThoughts]

101. I like most of your posts Nancy

This one made me chuckle a bit. Some of your comments were great, but some were targeting attributes that show more contempt, then reasonable reasoning why the GOP are lost. Of coarse this is just my opinion, and it comes from actually matching some of the comments in your post to the ones that are less about the lack of quality of thought and comment of the GOP. Some of the comments are more attributes that describe parts of them that are not their thoughts. Of coarse I am not GOP, but I found this interesting.

For example, you say

Because you listen to a drug-addled tub o’ lard like Rush Limbaugh and actually believe he knows what he’s talking about.

I don't listen to Rush, because he does not know what he is talking about. But I would listen to a tub o' lard, or even a drug addict if he made an argument. :) I find this an interesting dissection of comment, not to disagree with you, but with my own flaws in life, I find the combining of the two interesting :) :beer:

Because you honestly accept that there is such a thing as “the gay agenda” being promoted in our schools and elsewhere.

I liked this comment also, you accurately summed up the fear of many from a certain groups, they believe that gays are trying to say being gay is ok, and they are people to. Do you see that is what gays are doing. So it is not that there is no gay agenda. There is one, the question is how should people feel about it. The GOP and groups against 'the gays' actually believe gay people deserving to be loved, and having equal rights, is wrong. It is a fundamental belief that because they look at their life as sin, that it must be said that their actions, or any support of their actions is therefore wrong. So saying that gays should have equal rights in something like marriage, becomes the agenda to them, while to others it is just about equal rights. (I still think marriage should be a religious term, not a state term, then each church can recognize which marriages they want, and their views will be open and public, while everyone has rights, and a church could marry gays if they wanted. Then the entire argument leaves the jurisdiction of the state, and they would only have to enforce equal rights for all people, not what is morale by different groups definitions.)

Just to explain the point of view further.
Because you think “the gays” are determined to “convert” the entire straight world into being homosexual
They believe that gays want to be treated as not wrong. Note from their view being gay is wrong. And if people, including the entire straight world believes being gay is not something wrong or bad, they believe more people would be gay. This probably is the 'born gay', versus 'choice to be gay' view that creates this. They do not want 'being gay' to be culturally acceptable, because then people would grow up allowing it, or they believe, and to some extent they might be correct, more people would experiment with the gay. So the entire argument comes down to is it wrong or ok to be gay. And should society take a position on that argument by limiting rights.


I loved this part :rofl:
Because you think that still living in your mom’s basement beyond your fortieth birthday, your only source of "income" being a government-funded disability check to compensate you for an early onset of carpal-tunnel syndrome due to over-posting on sites like FR, doesn’t disqualify you as being “a grown-to-adulthood, contributing-to-society man who KNOWS what he’s talking about”.
:) Perfect :)

I have posted this before :)
Go back to the beginning of this post, and read it again …
I have found many times people actually don't read or hear things, they actually find a few words, those words get them upset, and they fill in the post with what they think is being said based on their own feelings and thoughts. You can see this in conversations, its fascinating to watch.

Love your posts Nancy keep it up
:thumbsup: