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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 06:32 AM
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Biden vs. Cheney: Who's the jerk?
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/politics/2009/04/09/biden_cheney/

Biden vs. Cheney: Who's the jerk?
Joan Walsh


Vice President Biden gave a wide-ranging interview to CNN last night, but strangely the question pundits have been debating today is whether Biden should have hit back at his predecessor, Dick Cheney, who's said repeatedly that the Obama administration is making us "less safe."

There's been relatively little discussion of how abhorrent and unprecedented Cheney's attacks on President Obama (his cousin!) have been. Likewise, the last time Cheney attacked Obama, it was spokesman Robert Gibbs who was put on the media hot seat for lashing back at Darth Cheney. Let's remember: It was years before Bill Clinton or Al Gore criticized the Bush administration in any way, and Cheney's claim, right out of the gate, that Obama is making the nation "less safe" is the worst thing anyone can say about a new president. It's clear Cheney's gone rogue; President Bush has said he plans to keep his mouth shut and respect his successor, and he's done so.

Of course, Cheney went rogue a long time ago, running his own intelligence operation in the White House, shutting out Colin Powell and Condi Rice, and most recently, lobbying so hard to pardon his loyal lawbreaking aide Scooter Libby that former President Bush, in a rare bout of spinefulness, told him to zip it. Then Cheney made the rounds publicly complaining about Bush's failure to pardon Libby. That slap at his boss was itself outrageous, and deserved more attention than it got at the time. Cheney is truly a dangerous freak show.

But on MSNBC today, from Morning Joe Scarborough to Mike Barnicle filling in on "Hardball" tonight, the onus was on Biden for replying, not on Cheney for popping off. On "Hardball" I debated former Bush 41 Justice Department official David Rivkin on the overall issue of whether Cheney's right, and Obama's made us less safe -- Rivkin said yes; guess what I said -- and Barnicle kicked off our segment asking, "What's with the vice president, why is he saying all of these crazy things?" I honestly thought he was talking about Cheney, but it seems he was referring to Biden, as he let Rivkin tear into Biden for "looking backward" and attacking his predecessor.

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Rivkin kept trying to set me and Biden up as kind of sweet, naive softies who want the world to like us; the point is that strong global alliances make us safer, it's not a popularity contest. Rivkin sneered and smiled condescendingly and mispronounced my name, the way these right-wing guys always do (though he was much more polite that Dick Armey), and, well, you can see it below. I'm proud of the job I did, but boy, another day, another really ludicrous set of premises for debate put forward by our mainstream media. Biden's the jerk, not Cheney? You go, Joe. We've got your back.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 06:47 AM
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1. Well Cheney has noting to loose.
His popular ty is in the crapper any way, and he knows the media will not criticize him.
So he can stir up a bunch of shit and hope that Biden fights back so the media can rake him over the coals.
It is good to know that some have his back.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 07:02 AM
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2. The talking heads are afraid of Cheney - he's got that assassin thing happening.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 07:34 AM
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3. Cheney makes his hunting buddys feel "less safe" ...
but then, they apologize ...
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 08:55 AM
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8. Maybe Biden should meet with the press when the appropriate scumbag is also a guest...
wearing a hunter's vest.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 07:53 AM
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4. It's desperation
They won't ever budge from their reactionary Right wing stand. They're not saying anything they haven't said since Clinton was President, but now they're profoundly desperate, unlike the Bush Era, they aren't all complacent and happy that they have all the power.

They know they're losing their power, and they're trying to stay in the denial phase. It's not working, but they don't know that yet.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 08:06 AM
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5. Where's an undisclosed location when you need one?
:eyes:
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 08:34 AM
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6. It so ridiculous, isn't it? Biden is merely telling Cheney to shut it.
Cheney has made us less safe with all his undercover shadow govt. crap. Joe, we have your back. Keep holding Cheney's feet to the fire. The MSM forgets just how long Al Gore waited to criticize Bush. Cheney waited a month? or two? What a "jerk."
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 08:54 AM
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7. All of Cheney's buddies that are still planted in govt positions need to be outed.
And they need to be prosecuted or fired soon.
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