Does anyone really believe Obama is a warmonger

[Boomerang Diddle]

like Bush was?
:rant:
Seriously, if you look at some of the comments here you would think that President Obama likes war, that he thinks war is some sort of glorious endeavor that the United States should use every single chance it gets.

Unlike his predecessor, I believe President Obama's plans for Iraq and Afghanistan are well thought out and carefully considered, and any actions to slow down troop removal from Iraq or increasing troops to Afghanistan are done reluctantly and out of necessity.

President Obama inherited these two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He didn't have any say in how they were run, until now. To think that he should just pull out all our troops out of those two countries without considering the consequences is irresponsible and just plain dumb!

Our president has been in office in less than three months yet some people act as if President Obama should have fixed Iraq and Afganistan by now - that by now both wars should be distant memories. That's a pipe dream.

Bush had years to screw things up, and it's going to take time and patience for the current president to turn things around.

I know in some circles here it's fashionable to think President Obama is another Bush who thinks war is just a game, but I for one have not seen one single iota of that!

Some people are intent on substituting outrage for rationality!

Yes, I believe we should give peace a chance, but at the same time we need to give President Obama a chance too!
:rant:

[Adelante]

1. No, I don't and Yes, I agree

:thumbsup:

[Boomerang Diddle]

3. So you are a warmonger too? n/t

[Adelante]

4. Are you calling President Obama a warmonger?

Are you calling me a warmonger?

I answered No to the title question and I agree with the OP. I am not a warmonger and neither is the President. Is that clear enough?

[Boomerang Diddle]

7. You orginally answered "yes"

and that's what I replied to. I thought you were answering "yes" to the question about Obama being a warmonger. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

[Adelante]

8. My fault

I have a bad habit of responding to the end of an OP - I realized I had done it again and edited :hi:

[Boomerang Diddle]

9. No problem!

:)

[Demi_Babe]

2. President Obama is no warmonger...not even close

[Windy]

5. Bravo!!! But you know, because you don't disgree with 100% of everything that Obama is doing,

you are a fake progressive, a cheerleader, a goosestepping facist.

No Obama is not a warmonger. He sees that there are real dangers in afghanistan and pakistan that were created by Bush and Company. Unfortunately, the problems cannot be ignored without serious consequences for the safety of Americans, India, etc. And if Pakistan is taken over by taliban, AL Q in a coup, then we have extremists with nuclear weapons. That is not just a problem for India. Its a problem for the stability of the rest of the world including the US.

DU is becoming hard to visit for those of us who are rational!

Very depressing!

Kicked and Recommended!

[Warren Stupidity]

6. Warmonger? I don't know, define the term.

I disliked Obama's Afghanistan position in the primaries, one of the reasons he was not my first choice, and I loathe this policy, the waffling on Iraq, the refusal to deal with warrantless wiretap lawsuits, the failure to treat seriously the war crimes committed by the bush cabal, the non-categorical non-renunciation of torture....

He hasn't started any new wars yet, so on those grounds the Obama administration is not warmongering.

[rfranklin]

10. Hard to know what Obama is thinking....

And I doubt anybody here knows any more than I do. What his actions tell us is that he is committed to continuing the occupation of Afghanistan which never was about fighting the Taliban or capturing Osama bin Laden. It was always about protecting oil and gas supplies flowing from the "stans."

[vaberella]

11. I don't know about that...

He publicly admitted to us not "winning" over there and I think he's changing his approach to get our troops out of Afghanistan too but focus on bringing in aid and calling it quits. My problem right now is just Pakistan.

[patrice]

12. I feel threatened every time Cheney opens his mouth. I think we are being held hostage with eager

help from Wars 'R' Us and it's wholly owned subsidiary ChurchCo U.S.A.

[JohnnyLib2]

13. I think whoever became president faced this situatiion knowingly.

Any steps or no steps will be criticized from various directions; there is no easy solution or happy ending.

My thought at the outset and throughout this military action has been "quagmire."

I maintain some hope that there will be substantial changes toward extraction from the quagmire in perhaps two years.

And no, no sense of warmongering.

[Patchuli]

27. My thoughts exactly!

:thumbsup:

I don't think a man born and raised hangin' loose in Hawaii could be a warmonger. Yes, my love of the Islands is excessive!

[rug]

14. I don't care if he likes it or not as long as he doesn't do it.

And yes, he should just pull out.

[mix]

15. no.

Trapped by the military-industrial complex? Yes.

[opihimoimoi]

16. Our President is a Peace Maker...George Bush was a true war monger

amongst other things

Obama has Class, intellect, insight, vision, and is a good Daddy....

[ecstatic]

18. I really hate to say this, but I'm starting to think that Cheney

led Bush down that path of warmongering. Bush probably trusted him a little too much--but now it's obvious to the world that Cheney has more than a few loose screws.

[mix]

20. Cheney knew that Bush was weak,

and preyed upon his insecurities, knowing that he would be attracted to power and violence.

[mix]

19. If that is indeed true, and I hope it is

Obama will be the first in a long while.

[opihimoimoi]

21. He is a precious President....a rare one....we should be nurturing more Leaders

of the same vsin...

[mix]

22. I agree that Obama is precious and rare, as you say,

but I still need more time to know if he is truly a wise leader and if his vision is sound.

I pray that all this may be true.

[geckosfeet]

17. No. I believe that he is taking the advice of warmongers though. He needs

to establish greater leverage over these people. To do this he needs support. From us and from congress.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

23. There is no "there" there. Obama has started the withdrawal from Iraq.

He campaigned to focus on Afghanistan. We will be in Iraq for a while longer and that will cost money. The renewed effort in Afghanistan also will cost money. You can disagree with this, but no one should be surprised.

[stillcool]

24. There will be more wars...

either covert or overt. It is who we are, and it is what we do. Next stop Somalia?

[TheWraith]

25. Kicked and recommended!

Some much need sense.

[Bjorn Against]

26. What I know is this, he is sending MORE troops to Afghanistan and that is wrong

We also have a thousand National Guard troops from Minnesota who will be sent to Iraq very soon. This is unacceptable. Obama said he was going to end the war, and here he is sending more troops over there. Sure he may be withdrawing some others at the same time, but it certainly is not looking like he is going to end the war in Iraq like he campaigned on.

And the fact that he is actually escalating the war in Afghanistan is extremely troubling, yes I know he said he would do this during the campaign but that does not make it right. People are going to die because of this decision, and I am not going to give Obama a pass for bringing more death and destruction to a region that has already suffered too much.

Is he a warmonger? I don't know but his position on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is wrong.

[Cha]

28. Hell no..he's doing what he needs

to do to get us a safe peaceful world and the military industrial complex is freakin' out.

[jeanpalmer]

29. He is becoming a war criminal

in Afghanistan. He is taking over that war and making it his own. He is killing large numbers of innocent civilians. That war was immoral, still is. The moral course is to get out as quickly as possible. The main reason he is escalating seems political. Doesn't seem to have the cajones to do the right thing and get out.

[BlooInBloo]

30. You're in the ihateobama forum. Of course the fools think that.

[mkultra]

31. i think this is the ihateobamaforum. Does that mean im a fool?

im so confused!

[BlooInBloo]

32. Think of how I must feel.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

33. Obama a warmongerer?

You mean, like "100 years McCain"? Hell no. He didn't campaign on starting more wars and, at least right now, AFAIK he's only doing exactly what he said he'd do during the campaign-which I supported. I'm not sure anybody else other than Kucinich would be doing anything different right now and we'd certainly be in a MUCH more precarious state in terms of facing NEW wars (i.e. Iran) had McCain/Palin been elected. When Obama decides to try dragging us into an unprovoked attack/"war of choice" on another country under false pretenses I'll definitely have something to say about that but until then I don't have any reason to believe that he loves war and wants more of it-that IS what you mean by "warmonger," right? I thought that the problem according to the wingnuts right now is that Obama is "gutting" the military like Clinton *did* when he was President by trying to cut some military projects. It doesn't sound like Obama simply wants endless amounts of money going towards the military industrial complex like Bush/Cheney did.

[Undercurrent]

34. No.

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[Political Heretic]

35. No, I think he well-intentioned and misguided.

But thanks for trying to make something either/or when it isn't.

[eridani]

36. It isn't war he is promoting; it's ongoning imperial domination

We can no longer afford it, but changing this situation is a lot like trying to turn a battleship around with an outboard motor. At least with Obama, we get smart imperialism instead of stupid imperialism. Usually with the former, fewer people get killed. That's a start.

[RoadRage]

37. Well, he's most certainly a PIRATE MONGER

Arrghgghghg! :)

And thank GOD for that!

[Orsino]

38. There are warmongers, and there are those who are willing to support war.

Our president is among the latter, I believe. I don't like it, but I'll admit that it is an enormous improvement.