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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:18 AM
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Obama - Slacker-in-Chief
Not for nuthin’, Mr. President, but you’ve been on-the-job for three whole months now, and you have yet to do everything that needs doing. Exactly what have you been up to the past ninety days? Apparently slackin’ off, that’s what. As if we wouldn’t notice.

Three months, guy – just how much slack do you think we’re willing to cut you?

Yeah, yeah, the to-do list was long and some of the issues – like creating world peace overnight – represented certain challenges. But honest-to-God, do you think you could at least make an effort?

I kinda figured that this far into your presidency, the education system would be completely overhauled, universal healthcare would have been instituted, Gitmo prisoners would have received fair trials and been dealt with accordingly, the environment would have been saved from destruction, concerns about global warming would be relegated to the hey, remember when we were worried about that file, the economy would be back-on-track, the deficit would be a thing of the past, veterans would be screaming that they’re getting way too much attention and care, diplomacy would have supplanted the need for war, the Taliban would be banished from Afghanistan, outsourcing of US jobs to cheaper labor markets would have been outlawed and penalized, off-shore tax havens would have been shut down, every corrupt politician would have been held to account, every homeowner and/or credit card debtor would have been given a more affordable interest rate, Bush/Cheney et al would have been investigated, prosecuted and be languishing behind bars, there’d be a chicken in every pot, pot would be legal, and I’d have a fuckin’ pony – not that I want one or need one, but being an American citizen, I’d have one just the same.

In light of the aforementioned, I can’t help but ask: Just WTF have you been doing with your time? Jesus H. Christ, when one thinks about the “down time” on Airforce One while you’re gallivanting all over the world, one wonders why you couldn’t end world hunger and find a cure for cancer while you were waiting for landing clearance, and had nothing better to do.

Oh, and before you even go there, let me remind you that I don’t want to hear any of your lame excuses about “inheriting” the problems created by the Worst.President.Ever. Yeah, so what, big deal. It’s not like you’re the only president who had to take over a country in shambles and a world beset by a myriad of problems created by the previous – oh, okay, so maybe you are. But that’s no excuse.

If you were up to the job, you would have solved all of our domestic problems by now – and had plenty of time to tackle international problems as well.

In closing, I just want to point out that I am sorely disappointed that after supporting your bid for the presidency, it never occurred to me that you might not follow-through by doing exactly as I wished at all times – other voters who supported you, who might have opposing ideas, be damned.

You were supposed to be MY personal POTUS, in office to do MY bidding, and on an immediate basis. So just where-the-fuck do you get off listening to anyone else but ME?

“Yes, WE can” – you said it yourself a million times during your campaign. But how come you haven’t done it ALL by yourself – ‘cause, quite frankly, I’m busy what with the laundry piling up and all, and I figured when you said “we” you actually meant “me”, and I took you at your word – or what I took to be your word, because it’s all about ME not WE, and I just assumed you knew that.

Hey, it’s not like I can solve the problems of the country and the world overnight. That’s YOUR job and, THREE months in, you’ve yet to deliver.

Jesus H. Christ, Obama, get with the program. Because if you haven’t cured all of the world’s ills within SIX months (and that’s about the extent of our collective patience), we’re gonna have to consider booting your ass out of office for lack of performance.

Just sayin’ is all.

Oh, and BTW, being in possession of the cutest puppy in the world isn’t gonna save you. But I have to admit it's an oh-so-smoochy-aren't-you-the-most-adorable-creature-on-four-legs-kinda-thing that might - MIGHT - get you an extra forty-eight hours - okay, maybe seventy-two hours - BUT THAT'S IT. Tops.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:26 AM
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1. You will be assailed by far left purists who feel that the 3 months Obama's
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 01:43 AM by saltpoint
had on the job are sufficient to judge his presidency.

I see no record of accomplishment by leftist presidents in our nation's history. There haven't been any. None.

The stronger argument is that Obama is as left as it gets. His presidency is very young. Likely Obama is not good enough for the purists, though. They want it their way, and they want it now. If they don't get it their way and soon, it's Obama's fault.

Excellent framing of a local, uh, inclination, Nance. I read it and rec'd it and will say again that I love good writing, an experience made even better when I agree with the sentiment expressed.

Bravo.

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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:50 AM
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39. those purists are puma and troll
they have just been here long enough that they are burrowed in like a tick on a dog.
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FedUp_Queer Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:24 PM
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117. How DARE you???!!!!!
This post is disingenuous at best and a flat out lie at worst. This just shows that willful blindness can come from Democrats AND Republicans. Here are the problems RIGHT now with Obama:

1) Appointing Wall Street Insiders and crooks Larry Summers and Tim Geithner
2) Continuing with the "state secrets" privilege to dismiss ENTIRE LAWSUITS just as King George had done AND...arguing that the Patriot Act granted the government sovereign immunity so that people cannot sue the government EVER for warrantless wiretaps unless the government willfully releases the information it illegally obtains with the intent of harming the person whom the government illegally wiretapped.
3) Continuing with a TARP program to allow banks to continue stealing money for themselves.
4) Propping up a banking system which is broken and should not be propped up. Like it or not folks, the government should have allowed AIG, Citibank, Bank of America, etc. to fail. You don't cure a cocaine addict going through withdrawal by making him/her high again.
5) Sending more MILITARY troops to Afghanistan.
6) "We are going to move forward and not look back on Bush, etc." Translation: we have no intention of prosecuting Bush, et al., or even looking into their prosecution.

This is just a short list, but these are fundamental policy decisions that he made right in the beginning that demonstrate the exact tack Bush took and in at lease one case, a worse tack.

I get so sick and tired of uninformed milquetoasts who are so invested in a particular person or party to not call him or her out on the extremely bad decisions he or she makes. So far, unfortunately, Obama has been nothing but a Bush disciple and worse on some issues.
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RalphieD Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:03 AM
Response to Reply #117
154. I guess you are mad?
So, FedUp_Queer, I take it you are mad.  Can't you just give
Obama a chance?  Do you really think he's a Bush disciple?
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:54 AM
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42. This is a STRAWMAN argument - we are upset with the policies he is enacting NOW

From everything I have read on DU about people unhappy with certain Obama policies and appointments...

Time frame has NOTHING to do with it. Noone is expecting him to solve enormously complex problems in a short period of time. I haven't seen that written anywhere.

What I have seen is jusifiable concern and anger about decisions Obama is making NOW.

This post is cute, but it is irrelevant.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #42
46. Pressure may be brought to bear on any president or other public official
toward given ends.

The remarks about Barack Obama by the purists I reference have been dismissive and stingy-spirited.

I stand by the claim.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #42
57. You were upset before the inauguration. Your post is irrelevant. n/t
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #57
108. Exactly. nt
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #42
59. You complain because you don't know how to do anything
else.

toodles.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #42
60. I love it when you call me 'cute.'
It's so retro.
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #42
61. Wow you just got WTF piled on.
There must be some pheromone or something you give off. That or groupthink. Maybe just mass PMs?
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:58 PM
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64. It is a strawman
it isn't so much what Obama hasn't done that we're upset about, its some of the things he HAS done. His unbridled support for warrantless wiretrapping, his support for rendition providing an effective loophole for continuing torture, handing over trillions of dollars to Wall Street no questions asked, massive escalation of forces in Afghanistan, refusal to begin the withdrawal process in Iraq which he swore a hundred times during the campaign that he would do immediately upon entering office, his disgusting treatment of Howard Dean, his appointment of a Monsanto shill to head the Dept of Agriculture, etc. These are things that have nothing to do with how long he's been in office.

Obama's repudiation of Howard Dean and the DNC and embrace of a large group of DLCers into his administration leaves no doubt that he stands with the right wing of the Democratic party. He's a Blue Dog DLCer, there an be no doubt about that. Obama has finally revealed his true colors.






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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 04:54 PM
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70. Irrelevant? It is PRECISELY on the mark!
Just WHAT are those policies are you upset with, and why? I see this dissatisfied sentiment on DU all the time, but the comments always lack specificity and substance.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:34 PM
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:38 PM
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98. If you really believe Obama is no better than Bush I think you are in for
an exhausting and spirit-crushing 8 years, during which those of us who know better will be laughing our asses off at your petulance.


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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. All signs point to the fact that you will be the one crying in your beer wondering what went wrong.
Oh well, we tried to warn you. :shrug:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:43 PM
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100. By god you did try to warn us. Thank Jesus!
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 07:49 PM
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106. Since your other post that I responded to was deemed inflammatory or out of line...I repeat:
...based on what I've seen here from you, you wouldn't be happy unless your laundry list of objectives (several dubious AND highly subjective) wasn't completed by 1:00PM on January 20 2009.

Your list? Just highly inflammatory adjectives with nary a shred of fact or substance or reality:

"Fraudulent" bank/wall street bailout? What makes them fraudulent?
Nonexistent healthcare? We haven't had that in the 233 years since the US was created, but you want it in 82 days?:
"Continued bloodsucking" by insurance companies? What would you suggest he do TODAY???
"Destruction" of union jobs in auto industry? HOW/WHEN? SPECIFICS!!!!!!

You must be amazing in real life, just one big bundle of happiness, eh? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:59 PM
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #106
144. Your post deleted again...2 for 2, guess you should bone up on the rules???
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:43 PM
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101. You obviously didn't read the OP....
...based on what I've seen here from you, you wouldn't be happy unless your laundry list of objectives (several dubious AND highly subjective) wasn't completed by 1:00PM on January 20 2009.

Your list? Just highly inflammatory adjectives with nary a shred of fact or substance or reality:

"Fraudulent" bank/wall street bailout? What makes them fraudulent?
Nonexistent healthcare? We haven't had that in the 233 years since the US was created, but you want it in 82 days?:
"Continued bloodsucking" by insurance companies? What would you suggest he do TODAY???
"Destruction" of union jobs in auto industry? HOW/WHEN? SPECIFICS!!!!!!

You must be amazing in real life, just one big bundle of happiness, eh? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #70
122. Tahen quit being lazy wanting every one else to update you on what you can't keep up with
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #122
123. Start with the last three days posts at Glenn Greenwald @ salon.com
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:11 AM
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124. I supported Obama but he has stepped way over the line-way past Bush
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:12 AM
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125. I have all kinds of patience for what he hasn't done yet but what he has done is reverse himself
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #125
126. On civil liberties, spying, torture, rendition and especially accountability
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #126
127. He and his DoJ have gone out of their way to surpass Bush on states secrets
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:15 AM
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128. Created sovereign immunity which says he cannot be questioned by anyone
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #128
129. not by the courts or congress of anyone he arrests.They have NO rights-ever.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:17 AM
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130. Next..what bankers has he failed to bail out with billions? But GM is being pushed into bankruptcy
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:18 AM
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131. pushed into bankruptcy by the Treasury dept. Union busting, retirees pensions gone
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #131
132. But the millionaires who caused this finacial disaster lose nothing.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #132
133. Strawman-Obama has a lot on his plate to cope with and we expect it takes time
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #133
134. But when he starts making matters worse by direct action, time to say something
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #134
135. Pressure from the left gives him a reason to move left.It's what the right does.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #42
105. "cute, but it is irrelevant."
much like your argument.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 07:52 PM
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107. Sadly, we'll probably never hear from him/her again here...
...the post was a hit-and-run attack with no substance and no elaboration. I asked, but don't expect a response from that person. But I agree with your assessment of that post wholeheartedly.
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Jeep789 Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 04:34 PM
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68. I am a far left purist who thinks Obama is doing a great job so far
In fact. I am so far left that those complaining about Obama jump on me all the time. Some of these people seem to be so full of anger that if it weren't for the issue, I would swear they were right wingers.

I don't agree with all of his decisions but he is one hell of a lot better than anything we have had in decades.

The op is spot on in my opinion.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #68
78. yeah I agree with you
I'm not exactly a far left purist and I have plenty I'm not satisfied with, but overall he's doing great. He was handed a horrible mess. My biggest critique with Obama is I don't like the way he's going with the banks and I wish the stimulus would have been stronger and he didn't start negotiating from a weaker position on tax cuts, and he even says that was a mistake because he gave the GOP what they wanted up front and they kept asking for more and still didn't vote for it.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #68
81. I'm all for leftist visions to become mainstream, as we need the
change very badly and very genuinely.

What rankles is the absence of an organization to provide a mechanism for reform. If I do a post on say, Chomsky or Vidal, I get a handful of responses. People who respond to any leftist vision in culture and/or politics tend to be left of Dennis Kucinich, which I think is terrific. American life, however, is most certainly not left of Dennis Kucinich. Things are better these days than they were in Franklin Pierce's time, or even 10 years ago, IMO. But Kucinich, love him as I surely do, would very likely not be able to win a statewide ballot in his home state.

Kucinich, who elevated the dialogue in the last two primary cycles, is dismissed by mainstream media and honored only by folks like his devotees and a few journalists like Amy Goodman. In his own district, he has faced primary challengers on the (apparently false) notion that he's "too liberal."

My criticism is solely directed at those who without realistic and pragmatic means of exacting reform criticize those who attempt to enact it, much less pretend that it can be realized inside a couple months of a new administration.

If those sqawkers can locate a more progressive U.S. President in the last 200 years or so, I'm all ears.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #81
87. I think time will tell how progressive Obama is
The nominations from Emanuel to Salazar to Geithner could indicate a DLC/Clinton-like approach, or they could indicate Obama trying to gain political capital for some more wholesale changes. I have a feeling Obama will end up at least slightly left of Clinton.

If at the midpoint of his term, Obama is still building up Afghanistan, the taxpayers are paying the bill for bank bailouts without added regulations, the insurance companies are dictating terms, and there's not much change on wiretapping and detainees, then I will lower my grade. If he doesn't investigate Bush/Cheney, that will also lower the grade.

But President Obama has done many of the things he could do in this time period. On the economy, Geithner and Summers have changed their tune a little. On Afghanistan, the focus has shifted away from combat. And there's a focus on making the Justice Department independent. The department just needs to be less timid.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #87
88. Agree that History is still at the poker table and that there are still
quite a few chips to be had.

Plus, the table is round.

Folks are still wearing hats and holsters.

If the fundie nutbags are right and the Rapture is imminent, we won't see how the poker game progresses.

If they're wrong, and I think they are, we just might.

I'm willing to wait.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:30 PM
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77. Obama isn't as left as it gets
That's not even close to being an argument let alone a strong one. He's was more to the right than the major Dem candidates including Hillary and John Edwards, who would have both surely beaten McCain. (outside of Edward's scandal) He's to the right of John Kerry, for sure, and probably even Al Gore, both of whom were thisclose to the presidency. He's no more to the left of Bill Clinton on most issues, including economics.

FDR and LBJ were both way to the left of Obama, they'd be considered far left today on most issues and they enacted the New Deal and the Great Society. Social Security? Medicare? Civil Rights legislation? So really, no leftist president has any accomplishments in our nations history? Most big accomplishments in this country have been to the left. It's ridiculous to say no lefty president has any accomplishments, they have plenty. It's almost the exact opposite of what you say. Hell even TR busting trusts would probably be considered leftist now.

Outside of that, you make up a far left strawman, at least for the most part, but you are right that three months isn't long enough. The problem is most people from the left are critiquing things that he's doing now, not what you say they are critiquing. That comes from the right, if anything.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #77
82. To clarify, Obama is as left as it gets for U.S. presidents.
I don't mean as left as it gets on the cultural / political continuum.

But in another post in this thread I suggest that Dennis Kucinich, a left-leaning Democrat from Ohio, would be likely unelectable on a statewide ballot were he to run for Governor or Senator.

We can shove toward the realization of a left vision but we are unlikely to get anywhere by smearing Barack Obama. He won the election in November, carrying Ohio, Indiana, North Carolina, and Florida, plus Colorado and New Mexico. The system is set up so that the winner then governs.

I'm not seeing a more left-leaning U.S. president, at least not to date. Some strongly left-leaning Democratic primary candidates, yes. But no elected U.S. president more left than Obama.


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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #82
91. you are a friendly sort aren't you?
I might have to pick a fight with somebody else. :)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:19 PM
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93. I am actually the mastermind behind the Somali pirates, Wetzelbill.
The people who do the 007 films are negotiating with my people at this very hour about my becoming the next Bond bad guy.


:hi:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #93
103. I guess I'll just have to ask Robert Reich
about your dark side. :)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #103
104. I'm not really that sinister, truth be told, but the Bond money would sure
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 07:42 PM by saltpoint
come in handy...

:hi:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:27 AM
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2. I am laughing!
And this is perfect!

Or do I even dare say...fucking perfect?

Outta the park, my dear Nance....outta the park!

K&R

:rofl: :rofl:

:patriot:


I had a feeling there was a good reason for staying up tonight...;)

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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:28 AM
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3. On point ...
TOTALLY. :thumbsup:
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:36 AM
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4. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
My sentiments exactly!

:hi:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:40 AM
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5. I love this!
I'm actually 'snorting' about that damned puppy! :rofl:

Love you lots, Nance! :hug:
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:43 AM
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6. Kudos and flowers!
NanceGreggs takes her bow.



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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:44 AM
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7. Ya did it again....K&R :o)
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:46 AM
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8. Nance, Nance, Nance....
as always timely and on point!!
:applause:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:52 AM
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:59 AM
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11. Welcome aboard, sgreen07 ...
I have just one teensy-weensy problem with the "we all got ourselves into this mess" statement.

Uh, no, actually WE didn't. The "mess" we now find ourselves in was created by BushCo et al - let's not forget that - at least I am not forgetting it.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:01 AM
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13. I second that. The Pukes had 8 years under Dubya and they
trashed the joint.

"We the people" were not consulted on black sites and treasury-looting.


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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:55 AM
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43. self-deleted
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 10:59 AM by Faygo Kid
Posted in wrong place.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:55 AM
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10. I have the luxury of being able to agree
Lucky me. But to those whose situation is dire, whereas they might agree intellectually, if
they are looking at no work and no way to pay for needed health care, they will be looking
for some help right now. I understand their feelings, too, even as I hope that they realize
that their situation would be worse under a Republican administration. If they are at rock
bottom now, how could they be worse off under a Republican administration? Because under a
Republican administration, they would be in a situation where no one at all in the government
gives a rat's ass about them. Under a Democratic administration, they do have people in the
government who care about them. The fact that the damage of the last 8 years can't be reversed
overnight (or even in two years) is of no comfort if you're starving and homeless NOW. However,
the fact that there are people in DC who WANT to make things better should be reason enough for
hope.

If you've got nothing, believe me, Obama IS the only hope. Not McCain, for Pete's sake. At the
Democratic Convention last August, the night Obama was nominated, the only guy who got as much
of an ovation as Obama, Al Gore and Stevie Wonder was an Indiana farmer named Barney Smith. He
was about to go bankrupt, and said he was voting Democratic for the first time in his life because
he wanted a president who cared more about Barney Smith than Smith Barney. He probably went bankrupt
anyway, but I agree with Nance and still believe that Barney Smith got his wish.
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:00 AM
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12. Excellent Read Nancy. K%R
The man has a lot to do. Not only things he wanted to implement, but this mes that Bush created must feel like a 2 ton Volkswagen on Obama's shoulders.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:14 AM
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14. Purrrrfect!
Big :thumbsup: !
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:19 AM
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15. You go Nance! You keep knocking em outta the park! n/t
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:34 AM
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16. You said it....
Again!

:hi:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 03:29 AM
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 04:13 AM
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18. I know you normally get 80 recs regardless of what you write
But this time, I wouldn't be surprised if you got at least twice that number. And imo, you would deserve every last damn one of them.

Well done. Happy to rec.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 04:18 AM
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19. Oh, cut him a break - at least he's certainly not slacking in supporting Bush on habeas corpus!
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:38 AM
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21. Meh
:eyes:

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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:52 AM
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40. meow
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 08:43 PM
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146. Yes, I know you're hopelessly addicted
to belittling President Obama and there's no cure for you.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:37 AM
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20. Damnit, Nance! I WANT MY FUCKING PONY!!!!!
If it's not here by Easter dinner, that's it!

I'm done!

I'll be personally leading the charge for Obama's impeachment!

Where. Is. My. Fucking. PONY????!!!??






:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:25 AM
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22. My rant from another thread...
I posted this rant last night here on DU in another thread where it seems almost everyone HATES our new President...Seriously, they are calling him a REPUBLICAN?

Anyway, here is my rant...

I am a 38yr old disabled vet...A spinal cord injury 7 yrs ago. After two spinal surgeries and 6 months of rehab I was doing as well as one could with my type of injury. I had good insurance through my wife's employer. However, since I was permanently disabled I had to withdraw from school and my career at criminal defense firm. I was forced to apply for Social Security. Once on Social Security everything was Ok but very different. Well, about 8-12mnts after my injury I had severe neuropathic pain set in from my chest down to my toes on the entire left side of my body...Including my privates front and back! The pain can be so bad it would make me vomit! Well, I went back to the Shepherd Center in Atlanta where all my doctors are and entered their Pain Therapy clinic...I had several different procedures done form steroid injections to having a catheter inserted in my spinal column for a drug infusion. After several different procedures aimed at trying to find me some relief from the pain my expenses where growing. Well, thanks to the Bush and The Republican Party (...and the Drug & Insurance Lobby) a prescription drug plan called Medicare Part D was passed. Well, somewhere in that legislation opened the door for Insurance companies who have clients who are totally disabled and collecting Social Security can purge these clients from their duties to pay and force them on Medicare. I could not believe it when I got the notice...Once again my life was turned upside down! Here is where it gets even better! Not long after I began collecting Social Security I was sent a notice that said I needed to sign up for Medicare. I Called and told them I had insurance and they said thats fine but if I ever wanted in the program after that point I would have to pay a penalty! YEAH! That penalty was way to high for us to pay considering our financial situation. There was one way out of paying the huge penalty, GET DIVORCED! (So much for the defense of marriage) This brought my income down to around $1000 a month (My SS Check) without my wife's income. Now I can't pursue any experimental treatments for pain! I am isolated to a bed with very soft clothes, soft blankets, no wind at all as the burning pain (neuropathic pain)is so sensitive. Plus, due to my spinal cord injury I remain in a constant state of feeling hot! So, needless to say I am in a very uncomfortable state...And I have not even gone into the more disgusting personal and very painful issues that come with a spinal cord injury & nueropathic pain!

AFTER ALL THIS...I seem to be able to wait longer than 3 FUCKING MONTHS before I pull my hair out!

I have the common sense to know President Obama cannot and will not be able to fix EVERYTHING in 3-6-9months! Everything is broken! Nothing in this country is Ok to leave til another day. People are complaining about stuff that has nothing to do with helping everyday Americans SO FUCKING WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA has to use a Supplemental Mental Bill for Iraq & Afghanistan! The man said this would be the only time as he is caught due to the way it has been funded, I BELIEVE HIM! He has lived up to most of his campaign Promises so far and appears to busting his ass on trying to get Health care, Energy and Education reform. Obama has opened up the Whitehouse more than any other Administration and PEOPLE STILL FUCKING CRY! It almost seems people do it just to show everyone they will criticize the President? And that is fine they have that right! But you would think DU is a Republican forum sometimes, or worse, many of the post sound like what the Republicans say about those supported President Obama...That we(Obama Supporters) really think he is a Messiah who is going to solve everything overnight!

******************* NOT EVEN 3 FUCKING MONTHS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If anyone has calm down enough to pay attention there are positive signs that things may be slowing changing in a positive way...If these signs continue then most Republicans with egg on their face and from the looks of it many DUers as well!!! Continue to call Gietner & Summers crooks and trash the shit out them all you want because I actually LOVE what they are doing! The past is the past...The reform they have called for damn sure is not going back to the past! Just ASK A REPUBLICAN?

*****************NOT EVEN 3 FUCKING MONTHS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe some need to reflect on what Obama has already got done...There is a long list of stuff...IN NOT EVEN 3 FUCKING MONTHS?

Sorry I am not feeling well or I would continue VENTING!

I love all of you but family can upset you sometimes!


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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 04:37 PM
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69. Your rant rivals the OP's
Thanks for that, Skydaddy.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:37 PM
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80. Righteous rant, Skydaddy. Welcome to DU -- we need your voice.
And hang in there :hug:

Hekate


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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:05 PM
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89. Your rant should be an OP
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 06:05 PM by Uzybone
its excellent. Wish you the best.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 07:37 AM
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23. As always-K&R
:kick:

Nance, you are one poster that I would like an auto-rec option for. You write it and I sign off, carte blanche until further notice.
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Number_Six Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:53 AM
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24. She shoots, she SCORES!!!
WTG Nance! Dead, solid perfect! Thank you so very much!
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:55 AM
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25. BRAVO!
:applause:
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doctor jazz Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:57 AM
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26. Unfortunately, many of the things you mentioned have been put way behind the back burner.
I'm not too worried about a lack of progress but the lack of direction is awfully bothersome. :shrug:
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:12 AM
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28. "Lack of Direction"???
Are you smoking crack?
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doctor jazz Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:14 AM
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30. Should have said WRONG direction.
Sorry.,
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:32 AM
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32. That's OK
I see where your headed as well ;)
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:58 AM
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44. .
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 12:07 PM
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51. Lol!!!! n/t
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:10 AM
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27. Hail to the Slacker!!
Nice rant - the expectations game has been wreaking havoc here as of late - it seems a Nancy rant is required from time-to-time.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:14 AM
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29. Perhaps this is THEIR version of 'Tea Bagging'
Three months OMG :crazy: :rofl:
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:14 AM
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31. What a breath of fresh air...
Sometimes I come in here, and I think.. hmmmmmm did we really win an election? :hi:
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:35 AM
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33. This should be called Democratic Shit Heads
blog. Go away all you negative jerks. I am stick of the whining and stupid talk. You give newt, cantor and boner a boost.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:35 AM
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34. Had to read three times for the subtleties to sink in (I'm a bit dense).
Am in complete agreement except on one point - the dog buys them at LEAST a week. If they can get decent footage of him retrieving a ball in a pond it's all over.
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iandhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:59 AM
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35. Thank you Gordon Brown
its about time someone made sense
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:02 AM
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36. I am starting to despise people who think the POTUS is some kind of
dictator who just makes a decree and voila! Gay marriage! Bush in prison!

Then failing to support him when he's going in the right direction, just because he has not gotten there yet! And when the real solution is to convince at least 50% or more of their fellow citizens of the rightness of the cause!

It's as if they believe the POTUS is what Bushco tried to make it. A royal all powerful dictator! :mad:




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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:59 PM
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86. Spot On. "It would be easier if I was a dictator... heh heh heh." nt
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:12 AM
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37. Thank you Nance! K&R
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:37 AM
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38. Folks like you are why I don't give up on DU
I came here for the smarts, for the sharing of my astonishment and joy that someone like Obama even EXISTS in America and can reflect that we're not all the yahoos He Who Shall Not Be Named led the world to believe we are. I even like the schadenfreud about the GOP. But, though I think I'm realistic enough to worry that Obama won't do the things that are important to me, I don't assume he won't just because it isn't being done yesterday. We might want things to happen overnight, but they don't. American government is an intricate, difficult system of negotiations and relationships that has to be carefully re-regulated, and I don't think many of the posters here have a clue (some do, agreed!)how it works...not how they wish it worked, but how it does work.

Sure, we all should keep our eyes open and educate ourselves, and if it troubles you enough, get out there and work to make it better! But I do get discouraged by the raging at the very person who certainly appears to be working his ass off at pulling the USA out of the quicksand we were about to sink under.

Way to go, Nance. I'll hang a little longer.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:54 AM
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41. Thank you
That sums it up nicely
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:00 AM
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45. Thanks very much for this one, NanceGreggs
Supporting Obama gets one hammered around here, even for us old-timers at DU. This was a much-appreciated breath of fresh air.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:32 AM
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47. A great rant that I bookmarked as I do all your threads!
Thank you so much for putting into words what I think but can't find the words for.


Bless you! :hug:
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:42 AM
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48. Now here is a post and can happily kick
and recommend.

I am tired of all the hand wringing "Obama hasn't changed the world yet" posts.

Thanks Nance... for some sanity on the subject even if its in the form of sarcasm.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:55 AM
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49. Tell it like it is, Nance
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 12:01 PM
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50. There's a true blue vibe that runs through a post like this like a current.
It was present during the primaries. It was present during the general election. It was ebullliently present in the weeks following the election.

And it is present now.


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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:18 PM
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52. Meanwhile, all this Blackberry talk and I STILL don't have his email address!
He hasn't even invited me over for a cup of coffee, AND he's not even personally thanked me for my vote.

This is serious, folks, we really need to consider bringing back the Special Prosecutor.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:29 PM
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53. Those f'ing Gen X'ers...
I've always known they wouldn't amount to much!
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:33 PM
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54. Another pointless rant...
aimed at the straw men
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:39 PM
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56. I bet you are referencing Walt Disney's "Scarecrow" character from
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 01:44 PM by saltpoint
many moons back.

And who could blame you?

What an EXCELLENT character. He was a man, obviously enough, but the costume he wore was dramatic, to say the least.

This is what he looked like: He was a male human of let's say average height. His voice was not especially menacing, but in costume, his entire presence was vivid, and present, and quite formidable. He had a hat, as scarecrows are often seen wearing in farmers' fields, and straw came out of the hat and appeared as hair. His clothing was not slapdash, but was loose-fitting and (altough the program was in black and white at our house) likely the colors of a harvest field. Browns, tans, and so forth.

He rode a horse. I imagine it to be tan also, possibly brown.

He was fearsome in appearance but his heart was very good. He helped people who could not help themselves or who were overwhelmed with circumstances. In this role the Scarecrow resembled Zorro, altough certainly he did not have Zorro's polish or style.

http://www.film.com/celebrities/walt-disney/story/dvd-walt-disney-treasures-dr/24199974?pcode=film&cpath=rss&rsrc=dvdsrss_film


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:56 PM
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58. Which is NOT to say I don't have an abiding respect for Zorro.
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 02:18 PM by saltpoint
Perish the thought.

Enthusiasm for one regional do-gooder does not preclude respect for another regional do-gooder, and may I say, especially one as well-dressed as Zorro.

That Zorro cuts quite a wide swath across the do-gooder fashion world, in the opinion of this observer.

That cape is to die for.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.impawards.com/1998/mask_of_zorro_ver2.html&usg=__jmOshAHdUsiytaIrptsq0kEyKIU=&h=755&w=505&sz=34&hl=en&start=32&um=1&tbnid=afj8EsaDvZ_v9M:&tbnh=142&tbnw=95&prev=/images%3Fq%3DZorro%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20%26um%3D1


And politically, he's close to unassailable. He is a wealthy land-owning aristocrat by day but he is also Zorro by night. 'Zorro' means 'fox.' Is that cool, or what?
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:46 PM
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62. Yup
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 02:54 PM by Reterr
But it will get on the GP no matter how lame or repetitive it seems. Same tired "satire" that is recycled over and over and over.....There are really about 5 of these pieces and they are changed marginally and trotted out cyclically every week or so. And barring about the 100 people who rec this stuff no matter what with comments like "OMG this is SO novel and clever", the vast majority of the lurkers or readers here probably see that the emperor has nary a thread on....

Funny how they don't pull this BS about "my personal president" blah blah blah when these people come to us every two years or so begging for our money and time :eyes:.

If the Republicans weren't so fucking scary insane I would have often been tempted to tell certain Dems to fuck off when they come around whinging for my money and my time.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:55 PM
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84. And goddamit, I also love Robin Hood.
You should like him too, and here's why.

He really doesn't need a costume. Now I would be the last to suggest -- the last -- that the Scarecrow and Zorro should eschew their respective disguises.

That would not be wise, as both would be exposed and their good work swiftly curtailed. Both would likely face brutal isolation and torture, perhaps even death, were their identies to be revealed.

Which is why Peter Parker freaked out when Dr. Octopus rented a room from his Aunt May. You talk about major tension in the home environment. Whoa.

Robin Hood is in the deep wilderness. In some of the accounts the Sheriff's soldiers won't go in to those woods, as they fear that they are haunted, that enchantments attend the glades and glens. And who may I ask can say they're wrong?

In any case, Robin Hood and his merry band are survivors. They hunt, they know the woods, they work with each other to help people who need help and who cannot help themselves.

They're the good guys.

I like that Robin Hood is attuned to the land, that he is a scrappy, resourceful survivor, that he is obviously a socialist, and that his heart is good.


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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:38 PM
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55. "........and I’d have a fuckin’ pony....." LOFL!!!! I'm not half way through yet
...too funny
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:52 PM
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63. Whoa....
I had no idea the 'we' thing was just Obama and me. I thought it was like 'we' the people. Thank you so much! This changes everything.
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Boomerang Diddle Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 03:28 PM
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65. Thank you so much for this beautiful piece of reason!
:kick:
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 03:33 PM
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66. Great job, Nance-- as always
Obama is not a moran. He doesn't need us to drive his fucking bus! He isn't Bush. He won't leave the captain to die, Katrina victims to suffer untended, or drop health care or vet funding.

We might congratulate ourselves on our good fortune and figure out how to continue being a supportive agent for change, rather than sniping back seat drivers. I can assure you that if the majority of dem complainers were driving his campaign bus, he would not have gotten elected. That ought to be food for thought. The threads about Obama being Bush reflect a reactionary tone that will bring Democrats down again. We wanted him elected, so we worked. We knocked on doors and made phone calls and hosted parties. Sometimes it seems as if now that no one is directing us, we've devolved into the lowest common denominator. A teeming mass of complaints with no direction, no solution. There must be constructive things we can do NOW. Educating people on the issues, waiting until we have the full report before we go off half-cocked, and not parroting msm talking points are a great place to start.

A wise constituency who wants to stay in power should know when to follow and when to lead.

Frank Schaeffer keeps reminding us that Obama needs our support right now. He understands all too well the evil the POTUS is up against. It's not as if anyone is saying don't speak out, but can we also manage to be supportive and productive?





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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 04:00 PM
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67. I will not be satisfied until Freepers are forced to gay marry.
Nothing is more important to me.


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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 04:55 PM
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71. Excellent post - hopefully others here read it and recognize their childish petulance.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:00 PM
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72. He needs to back away from the Ori though.
Why do we still have to donate out the wazoo to get our policies enforced via MoveOn and the cons simply just talk to him without losing a penny and get a lot of what those losers wanted in the first place?
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:04 PM
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73. Correct - I didn't expect everything solved in three months
Some of the decisions worry me, but overall, my B+ grade has not changed. I give him an A- based on what he has accomplished in a short time, minus a little for some choices on the economy, health care, the Bush/Cheney crimes, and Afghanistan.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:04 PM
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74. It's not the amount of TIME, it's the WRONG DIRECTION on the economy
3 months with economic advisers who were not deregulation pimps 10 years ago would not solve our problems yet, but at least we would be going in the right direction.

Sure, he's going the right direction on plenty of other issues, but fucking up the economy is going to destroy all of those admirable initiatives.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:22 PM
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75. Hearty KnR, Nance. Sometimes I tune in here and wonder why the hell I did. This time I'm glad.
:fistbump:

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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:25 PM
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76. 10/10 and a koala bear stamp....nt
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:36 PM
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79. Personally, I think NanceGreggs is overrated
Robert Reich, JeffR and I all agree on that point.... I am a dead man.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:52 PM
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83. Maybe you and JeffR agree on that point ...
Robert Reich? NEVER!!!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:57 PM
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85. As it happens, Nance, I have Robert Reich right here in my own house,
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 06:02 PM by saltpoint
in the basement, tied to a chair with a few socks stuffed into his mouth.

Tell me what you want him to agree to and I'll make sure it happens.


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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:26 PM
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94. It's too late ...
... I wanted him to agree to be my lover - but I'm a married woman now, so that's off the table.

I think Robert Reich is HOT; always have, always will.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:30 PM
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95. LOL! Then he should be tied up in YOUR basement, not mine.
I'll trade you Robert Reich for a celebrity to be named later. Deal?

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:32 PM
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96. DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!
:fistbump:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:15 PM
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90. I think he was just going along to fit in
:)
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:17 PM
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92. Wait, we were supposed to get ponies?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:56 PM
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102. Some have cast doubt on the writing itself presented in the OP.
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 07:05 PM by saltpoint
Then do better.

Let's see you write a piece of that length consistently on these boards using complex form and development and content fed by awareness and command of information and current events, the language formal enough for full range of expression but colloquial enough to invoke popular lexicon and the entire piece demonstrative of high-command syntax and phonetic variety.

No cheating. Dig deep and be as good a writer as the OP is for let's say, 12 months. We'll do an assessment this time next spring.


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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:08 PM
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109. 12 months? I'd settle for 12 hours of being equal to Nance...ain't gonna happen!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:11 PM
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110. Hi, George II. Agree. Not one of the posters who assail her writing ability
can make sentences the way she can.

It would take them a lot longer than 12 months to enter the same arena.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:37 AM
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143. Oh I am much too lazy to even take up that challenge
Plus she's my writing partner anyway. :)
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:12 PM
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111. Thank you. Perfect Post. Kick and Rec. NT
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:39 PM
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112. A curious observation....
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 09:41 PM by TwilightZone
I've noticed that, for the most part, the most vehement anti-Obama crusaders on DU tend to stay out of your threads. A few, here and there, but not the normal piling on that seems to invade posts like this.

No idea why, but it's interesting. Maybe you don't leave them any openings. :)
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:25 PM
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114. Great post. He said durning the campaign that we wouldn't
agree with everything he does. Also, maybe they are some things that he didn't know about until he got in there and he's had to make a few adjustments. Jesus people, get a grip. Thanks Nancy.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:19 PM
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113. In his first three months of office, Bush was able to close down all teams tracking al-Qaeda
All it takes is a little incentive.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:27 PM
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115. Wile E Obama Super Pirate Slayer
Well if Bush can claim things?
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:15 PM
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116. absolutely one of the sickest posts ever on du.
the argument is specious on its face. it's like, if you don't know anything about anything about what's really going on, sign on here. what a bunch of morons. on top of that it's just plain insulting to people of differing opinions. come see us in 2012. AND, you think you're funny. get a new schtick, nance, this shit is getting old.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:28 PM
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118. Someone loves generalities
Its like if you dont know about anyone who talks about anything with their own opinions about different things bothering everyone.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:56 AM
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121. You know, it's like ...
... if I had any idea what it is you're trying to say, like, I would try to come up with a good response.

I've been "insulting to people of differing opinions"? Who would that be - oh, the people who are of the opinion that Obama should have cured the ills of the world after three months in office?

Yes, I will not tell a lie - if I've insulted THOSE people, I meant to.

That was kinda, like, the point ...
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:28 AM
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136. It is the republican right wingers who are doing nothing but demonizing Obama
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:29 AM
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137. That is their only agenda.If Obama is successful, repubs will lose elections for 40yrs to come
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:30 AM
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138. They must make him fail at all costs if they are ever to regain power
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:31 AM
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139. But I have not noticed at DU complaints over what Obama has NOT done yet
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:32 AM
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140. Just complaints(from supporters who want him to succeed) on some things he HAS done
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:33 AM
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141. And that's the way it should be or you just get a cult like Bush had
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:34 AM
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142. You know this...so what set you off on what many here call a strawman argument?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 08:47 PM
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148. Why are you talking to yourself?
And, taking up cyberspace?
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 08:46 AM
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150. Do these people exists?...
Because they are not on this board
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:44 PM
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152. No, they do not
But they are presumed to be for the purpose of having a circle jerk thread.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 08:46 PM
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147. Your post is idiotic...Nance's OP
is right on target.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:42 PM
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119. Good post. K&R
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 08:39 PM
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145. Thanks for writing this, Nance..
It might help to put these 3 months in perspective for our Prez who is taking over the job from the overseers who ran it into the abyss for the last 8 years.
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antimatter98 Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 07:29 AM
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149. Obama's not a slacker, he's a corporate/banking tool. Perfect for the job.
I see the Obamabots are out in force on this thread, refusing to see the truth, but
instead following the wrong headed rule: "Believing is seeing."

Obama's not slacking, he's taking orders from banking and corporate power.

What you see is what you get.



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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:49 PM
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153. And, I see the little hateful minds are
here spewing the same ol shit.
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griz2008 Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:05 PM
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151. please read through, it wanders a bit, but it really is on topic.
This ties in with a recent struggle I've been having trying to use the internet to get people to counter-protest the TeaBaggers.

I have been lurking a number of 'chan' boards, trying to motivate the famous 'Anonymous' to help.

However, all I hear from them is whining and crying about Obama 'taking free speech from the net' and not legalizing weed.

I fail to see how molesting children and trading the pictures is 'freedom of speech'. I fail to see how stealing movies and songs is 'freedom of speech' or 'privacy'.

If you go on 4chan or any of the lesser known boards, you won't generally find child pornography, but if you lurk long enough, they reveal details about .onion sites, which are accessible via TOR. I went to several to speak with the so-called 'real anonymous'.

It's all kiddie porn and p2p stuff.

THIS IS RELEVANT. please do not delete, mods!

The same goes for the people bitching about weed. Obama told the DoJ to stop prosecuting medical marijuana, and that's the best you will probably EVER see. Clinton certainly wouldn't deal with it, in fact, he created even harsher policies.

We have more important things to worry about right now than weed and CP.

Grow up, internet, grow up. it takes more than a few months to fix this kind of stuff.
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