But in order for Obama to have even a chance at the 08 nomination,

[saltpoint]

he'd have to somehow win the Iowa caucus, which frankly seems unlikely.

[Happyhippychick]

1. Especially once they release the "whitey" tape.

[saltpoint]

2. And just wait til the Wingnuts get ahold of Rev. Wright.

It'll be curtains for the Obama campaign THEN.


:hi:

[Happyhippychick]

McCain's got Palin - he can't lose with talent like that, she's America's sweetheart.

[saltpoint]

22. It pains me to say it, but you're absolutely right. She's a beauty contestant

and totally fresh and invigorating.

The county will flock to the GOP ticket like never before.

[Uzybone]

3. America will never elect anyone with an "Arab" sounding name

[saltpoint]

4. Good point. And anyway, I heard he was a secret Muslim or something.

[krispos42]

58. How could an angry peacenik closet Moooslin Arab deal effectively with issues such as...

...Somalian piracy on the high seas?

[saltpoint]

113. He would be at a loss. I can't even picture a junior Senator in the

Oval Office.

It would be laughable to expect him to know what to do.

[krispos42]

115. A jumped-up community organizer with jug ears

and he smokes, too.

[saltpoint]

116. Yep. He smokes like a chimney and I heard he was born in Malaysia

or Kenya or Hawaii -- somewhere really exotic.

[krispos42]

117. He's a furriner? Damn. Maybe we should check his birth certificate.

Isn't Malaysia mooslin as well? Do they have madrassas there?

[saltpoint]

119. Yep. He's like one of them Manchurian Muslins what sneak into the U.S.

and then force everybody to do Islam.

[krispos42]

133. I can't do mooslin

I love bacon and pepperoni too much.



He'll pry my bacon from mmy cold, dead, artery-clogged hand!

[firedupdem]

5. Plus you have to factor in the bradley effect. n/t

[saltpoint]

7. Yep. Even if most of the other 7 Dems were to drop out, the Bradley effect

would cancel out any gains.

Obama's campaign will be short and soon forgotten.

[Drunken Irishman]

6. Plus, his wife I hear is one angry woman.

[saltpoint]

9. I heard the same thing. Also, I heard she isn't even proud of America.

[PopSixSquish]

8. And That Portugese Dog Will be the Final Nail

:toast:

[saltpoint]

10. LOL! "That Portugese Dog" ! LOL!

Perhaps Sarah Palin could be prevailed upon to fly over the White House and shoot it.

[mkultra]

11. McCain will stomp Obama

we should all get behind Hillary or we will lose this election.

[saltpoint]

12. McCain is going to survive the GOP primary, even though a lot of

Republican voters seem strogly attracted to Huckabee if for no other reason than his son tortures dogs.

Obama will stand no chance against McCain. The election night map will be a sea of red.

[mkultra]

24. i agree, we need to get behind hillary

She has what it takes to win.

[saltpoint]

25. Agree. She's already famous and I heard she has the best campaign

staff ever.

[aaaaaa5a]

122. I hear Mark Penn is especially good!

[XemaSab]

70. Even if we're destined to get clobbered

even the act of nominating a black man is a statement to the world.

[ecstatic]

37. Yeah. He will get all the swing /Independent voters

:(

[saltpoint]

46. Yes. Indies will flock to McCain in high numbers. Without the swings and

indies, there's no way an Obama ticket could run up competitive numbers.

Without the indies, we're goners, and McCain's got 'em wrapped up.

[saltpoint]

47. The voters like war heroes. McCain will crush us. He's a hero and all.

Obama hasn't served all that long in the Senate, and he has no war experience.

The Republicans know how to do elections.

[mkultra]

72. we need someone with more than just a good speech.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. Obama will never be able to win the working-class white voters

Consider states like PA and Ohio lost if Obama wins the Democratic nomination.

[saltpoint]

15. Totally agree. Carter only barely won Ohio and Pennsylvania is always

a cliff-hanger, even with a strong working-class-type Dem.

Good observation. We can kiss off the Buckeye State and the Keystone State, too.

[jenmito]

14. He's Black. He'll NEVER win. We're not ready for a Black president. n/t

[saltpoint]

17. There it is, you had the guts to say it out loud. America is simply not

ready for a person of color to wield actual power -- nevermind the White House.

We're generations away from THAT fantasy.

[jenmito]

19. Yup. Even if he DID somehow win the nomination, which would not happen since

the Clintons have the majority of the Black people's support, he'd never win the GE. The majority of voters are not ready.

[saltpoint]

20. Good point. In the off-chance that he were still in the race after Iowa and

New Hampshire, the Clintons' overhwelming base of support among vlack voters in South Carolina will finish him off.

Expect him somewhere in a ditch near Charleston gasping for breath after that South Carolina primary.

[jenmito]

35. Exactly...

too many things going against him. It would be a miracle if he won.

[saltpoint]

43. Yes. All he ever really does is give those lofty speeches.

And who listens to speeches, anyway?

I mean, sheesh.

[jenmito]

51. He talks a good game,

but he's never DONE anything besides being a community organizer.

[saltpoint]

52. Exactly. Plus, why go with a rookie when we have a war hero for the GOP

with a moose-guttin' hottie?

This election's a no-brainer.

[jenmito]

75. Yup. Nobody's gonna choose someone with no military experience

while we're in the middle of two wars!

[stillcool]

16. My cousin told me

everyone she knows refuses to vote for a black man. I'm telling you..it ain't going to happen. Take that to the bank!

[saltpoint]

18. We CAN take that to the bank. I'm on my way right now.

Wait. Where IS the bank? The sign in the window says it's CLOSED!

WTF?

[stillcool]

26. You have to say 'mark my words' first ..

it's magical... like 'Open Sesame'

[saltpoint]

50. : )

:hi:

[Kaleko]

53. Yes! "Mark my words" and "make no mistake" have to precede the rest of your pronouncements

if you want to have power over your readers!!!!!

Mark my words, you dingbat disbelievers.

[stillcool]

68. ah yes..'make no mistake'..

if I had a nickel..

[Uzybone]

21. I was out in Hicksville, Alabama and saw many McCain yard signs

Obama has no chance.

[saltpoint]

23. Yep. As goes Hicksville, so goes the nation.

[Happyhippychick]

27. He's a little young and inexperienced, too. Maybe he'll be ready in 2012.

[saltpoint]

30. True. I suppose he has to get his feet wet this time, but he'll be far more

seasoned in 2012, or maybe 2016.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

28. I'm concerned that he isn't ready for that 3am phone call.

He'll probably be on the other line with Rev. Wright and not even pick up.

[saltpoint]

33. It's just like those rookie politicians to be hanging with subversives and

terrorists -- and there'd Obama be, yakking away with socialist academics or firebrand ministers when THE 3:00 a.m. call would come thru.

And who knows who else he made pacts with during his "community organizing" days? Frankly, it's more than a bit unsettling.

[Drunken Irishman]

29. There is no way Obama can win PA, Ohio, Florida or California.

This is going to be Reagan/Mondale all over again.

Walter McGobama stands no chance against McCain!

[saltpoint]

34. Agree -- Florida is an out-of-reach target. I hope no money is spent there

on the Democratic ticket's chances.

Money down a rat hole.

[aaaaaa5a]

126. And why is Obama in VA, IN and NC? He better get to PA to sure up the blue states!

[Happyhippychick]

31. Plus you do know that McCain was a POW - had you heard about that? Obama wasn't in the military.

[ErinBerin84]

32. guys, we underestimate Sarah Palin at our peril

She is going to give her first interview and sound brilliant....after all, she was a journalism major.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

38. I saw her in the AK Gov. debate. She's quite a formidable opponent.

[saltpoint]

39. That's right. And she was even on television. So she's going to shred Joe Biden

to bits in their debate right there on every news channel they run on cable, right before the gaze of millions.

Biden is old and out-of-it, and will come off as a kind of sexist grandpa type while Palin will be wowing the voters.

She has such charisma.

[POAS]

135. She's well read also too!

[Condem]

36. Iowa!??! That backwards-ass state?

Won't happen, saltpoint. Same-sex marriage would have about as much of a chance as Obama winning the Caucus. Nice try, though.

[saltpoint]

41. True. An Afro-American winning the caucus and same-sex marriage in

Iowa...

What was I even thinking?


:hi:

[Connie_Corleone]

40. Obama will be lucky to win the same states Kerry won in 2004.

I seriously doubt he can hold one or two of those states.

People talking about taking Virginia, North Carolina and Indiana are dreaming!

[Drunken Irishman]

42. ZOGBY HAS MCCAIN UP ONE IN HIS DAILY POLLING! BREAKING ON DRUDGE!

We're so fucking screwed, guys! The election is less than a week away and McCain is surging.

OBAMA NEEDS TO HIT HARDER!

[Cali_Democrat]

44. ZOMG!!!

Are you series? This is HUGH!!!!!

[saltpoint]

45. The McCain surge is undeniable.

I know the newscasters can't say, literally say, "The Democrats are fucking screwed in this election," but they don't need to say it.

I know it's true. It's clear we've lost.

McCain -- a war hero after all -- triumphs over the rookie Illinois community organizer.

The angels of History weep!

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

48. .

[saltpoint]

49. And although it's not strictly a political point, that Sarah Palin sure does

dress nicely, doesn't she?

[FrenchieCat]

54. They young people won't show up to vote.

We are screwn!

[saltpoint]

56. That's right. No sense holding our breath for the young folks.

They aren't attuned to the democratic process at all.

We'll be lucky to see half a dozen per precinct, tops.

[krispos42]

55. Levi and Bristol will get married the week before the election

Stealing public sentiment, disabling the Democratic attack machine during the critical period before the voting and diverting attention from the economy and winning by about 30 electoral votes.

[saltpoint]

57. It's in the stars, and in the cards, both. Those two are OBVIOUSLY in love,

and the media will be slobbering over both of them a week before the election.

The impediments to a Democratic victory in 08 are insurmountable.

[saltpoint]

59. I mean, let's be real, people. A mixed-race progressive winning the Iowa

caucus?

Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse my incredulity.

Plus, don't forget that Evan Bayh has formed an exploratory committee. I certainly don't see him or M ark Warner dropping out of the race any time soon.

[FrenchieCat]

60. Hispanics don't vote for Black people......

“The Hispanic voter—and I want to say this very carefully—has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates.”

—Clinton pollster Sergio Bendixen
http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2008/01/12/clinton-pollster-latinos-too-racist-to-vote-for-obama/

[saltpoint]

64. It's inarguable that McCain will carry the Hispanic demographic.

McCain is from a border state, he has a long-standng affinity for this demographicn\, and he is going to wield it against us in the general election in November.

[SanchoPanza]

61. Regardless of what happens....

It will be good for Guiliani.

[saltpoint]

65. LOL! Giuliani. The guy's the big hero of 911. Standing atop the

smoking rubble of what used to be the World Trade Towers, sounding real authoritative.

Plus, that Bernie Kerik is an enormous feather in Rudy's hat. Insightful, blessed with good judgment, and entirely likable. Voters pick up on stuff like that.

[BlooInBloo]

62. hahahah!

[Lilyeye]

63. He didn't get the hispanic vote during the primary. It went to Hillary.

I have my doubts about him getting it during the general election.

[saltpoint]

66. With McCain the War Hero topping the GOP ticket, I'm sure we'll lose

just about every demographic there is.

Not to mention all the campaign mistakes and missteps rookies like Obama are likely to make.

This is going to be a very gloomy outcome for the general, I'm afraid.

[saltpoint]

67. And don't forget -- Cindy's beer money will kick in and we'll lose the fund-

raising race as well.

I do see a few efforts to raise money for Obama on the web, but frankly, that's not likely to succeed.

[rainbow4321]

69. Wait!! They're still counting votes in that villiage in northern Guam

Come on, admit it, you guys remember all the threads about that little village in Guam that was going to decide "who got Guam". When all was said and done we all probably knew more about that village than our own cities/towns.


http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/05/guam_obama_clinton_splitdecisi.html

[XemaSab]

71. This is our year to win, and nominating a woman or a black person will be political suicide

Edwards will win all the working-class and progressive votes in Iowa, especially because of his deep relationship with Elizabeth.

We can't lose with Edwards leading the ticket. And maybe he can pick someone like Spitzer for his VP to shore up the northern vote.

[firedupdem]

73. Holy Hell!!

:rofl:

[saltpoint]

77. Edwards is a Southerner, so he can't miss. Spitzer for veep? Excellent pick.

It will definitely be either Edwards / Spitzer or Clinton and Bayh.

No one else is close.

[mkultra]

74. someone will surley assasinate him

[Drunken Irishman]

76. OBAMA CAN'T WIN WITHOUT THE WHITE WORKING CLASS VOTE!

[chieftain]

78. With Penn leading Hillary's team, the most Obama can hope for

is the VP slot.

[saltpoint]

82. Agree. Penn is a genius. He's a genius, I tell you.

[joshcryer]

79. hey guyz wats going on

[NoSheep]

80. Deja VIEW

[ClarkUSA]

81. Who's going to vote for someone named Barack HUSSEIN Obama?

[saltpoint]

83. No kidding. I just don't think voters will go for it, especially in a post-911 world.

[Downtown Hound]

84. Sorry guys, don't mean to break character, but this thread is cracking me up!

:rofl:

[CTyankee]

85. Man, this thread is bringing back bad vibes!

Next thing we know, I'll be getting those heebie jeebies on the polls...

[Downtown Hound]

88. You know

I hear all this talk about how disappointed some people are with Obama. I share some of the criticisms, the man isn't 100% of what I want in a president. But when I actually remember what it was like to live in this country only eight or nine months ago, and remember how scary the future looked back then. Right after the RNC, when the police went crazy and brutalized protesters and charged kids with terrorism and McCain had a 10 point lead in the polls, I was really wondering if that really might have been it for America. I didn't think and I still don't think today that we would have survived four more years of Repuke rule. I look back on that and I am so grateful Obama is our president. Even though things are far from perfect today, I have hope. I go to sleep at night knowing that there are SANE people at the helm, and while I may not agree with everything they do, I can at least count on them to be smart about the decisions they make.

Obama isn't perfect, but by God, he is one of the best things to happen to America in my lifetime, if not THE best. Thank God that man is our president.

[CTyankee]

91. Exactly the way I feel! One fewer thing for me to worry about every night.

Remember the poster "Chill M*F*, I got this thing"? Wow, did he ever with this hostage thing!

We're also seeing a turnaround in our economy. So there we have it. Success!!!

[Hekate]

114. Amen. Since the election I've had a couple of quiet conversations with folks who thought...

... they might have had to leave the country if we didn't get a Democrat in the White House this time. And I agreed with them. What Bush did to us was heartbreaking. I don't know how much of our country we can get back under Obama, but at least we have a chance -- and under Bush and the Repubs all our chances had run out.

Hekate

[mkultra]

144. If you dont love Obama, then you didnt hate bush enough.

werd

[babylonsister]

86. Hahaha! Where'd that come from?

:rofl:

[saltpoint]

89. Hi there. Just doin' some old-fashioned joshin' around the joint of a given

Sunday evening.

[Occam Bandage]

87. '08 is our year. Why would we throw it away with an untested black guy with an unknown past?

I bet this guy won't be able to close the deal.

[saltpoint]

90. I predict you'll win that bet. First he'll never make it past the Clinton

machine in the primaries. That campaign staff she's got is strictly top-drawer.

This guy's 15 minutes are all but up, like, right now.

[MadMaddie]

92. Hey, Why didn't Obama leave Rev Wrights church he went

there for 20 years, he must support what Wright was saying!!

This is why I love DU!!

[saltpoint]

93. He didn't leave it because he hates America!!!

[ArbustoBuster]

94. Dammit, saltpoint, I told you to stay away from my time machine!

Now the time-screen is set up to view the Kennedy assassination and you left popcorn all over the seats. You're grounded!

[saltpoint]

95. Ah heck. I'm sorry to be so bad.

:hi:

[Colobo]

96. Obama is not experienced enough. "On-the-job training" is not what America needs right now.

[Jennicut]

97. I can see Iowa from my house

Okay, not really.

[saltpoint]

98. LOL!

:hi: :thumbsup:

[Jennicut]

99. I am still waiting for someone to explain to me WHAT exactly a VP does

[saltpoint]

100. I'm not real sure, but I know it involves a $150,000-plus monthly clothes budget.

[Jennicut]

102. Or being scared about Vladimir Putin rearing his head in someone's airspace

God, I could go on all night with Palinisms. Good times.

[saltpoint]

104. Yep. She wrote her own parodies. The rearing-up head of Putin did

give me pause if for no other reason than he looks for all the world like an eel.

Scary-lookin' dude, any way you slice it.

[Jennicut]

106. You might enjoy this or be freaked out by it

[saltpoint]

108. O my god.

I may have to sleep with the lights on and several dozen stuffed animals.

[tammywammy]

120. That pic is hilarious! n/t

[BlooInBloo]

101. What is Obama's Jewish problem???

[Jennicut]

103. Hispanics WILL not vote for Barack. You heard it here first.

[BlooInBloo]

105. I'm not racist. I just don't know enough about him.

[aaaaaa5a]

123. Neither will Jews. Especially if they live in Florida!

[Hekate]

107. This is a year for populism, and it's really John Edwards' turn. He and Elizabeth are a winning team

... like no other. Solid marriage, high achievers with a working-class background that white red-state voters can identify with.

Barack Obama is special, but he's young and new at the game and has a lot of time. Let's go with Edwards.

Hekate

[saltpoint]

109. Voters will flock to Clinton and Edwards, that is if they can both get

past Mark Warner.

Warner was at the KOS annual event and reportedly was a big hit.

Southerner, well-spoken, with some serious money and backing.

Agree with you totally -- it will be either Edwards or possibly Warner.

Obama has some attributes, but this just isn't going to be his year.

[BlooInBloo]

111. It doesn't matter. Rove will steal the election.

[saltpoint]

112. That dirty bastard Karl Rove. He's so.... ROVIAN!

[aaaaaa5a]

127. It's our year. Don't take chances with a woman or minority. What could go wrong with Edwards?

[Spazito]

110. This thread is hilarious!

Love it!

[RoadRage]

118. Obama doesn't have a spine...

and most American's won't vote for him. He was against the Iraq war, so that means he hates guns and defending our country & countrymen.

Say for instance a pirate ship were to take an American hostage. Obviously Obama wouldn't do anything about that and would just let the guy die or would give into the pirates demands, so he has not shot at winning the election. Too bad.. he'd probably be a good president. :(

:ROFL:

[FrenchieCat]

121. You must mean Obambi, no?

[RoadRage]

128. Or "NOOOOBAMA"

Hahaha...

Republicans are such idiots. ;) I love these threads.. they make me laugh (unlike the similar ones from this time last year where I was totally paranoid and thought that we might lose '08.. ughgh!)

[aaaaaa5a]

124. When the 527s come out on Rev. Wright, Obama's chances will be over!

[aaaaaa5a]

125. The "T" in Pennsylvania will give McCain the state for sure

[aaaaaa5a]

129. Palin will win the women's vote for sure. All women vote by gender not issues.

[mkultra]

143. well a female vice is historic while a black pres, meh not so much.

[aaaaaa5a]

130. The Dems are split 50/50. There is no way Obama can bring both sides together.

[saltpoint]

139. Exactly. The Party is divided -- way too divided -- and there just isn't

time between now and the November election to put all the pieces back together.

[alcibiades_mystery]

131. Obama's people are bussing in college students!

College students! It's distorting the vote!

They are on buses, people! Buses!!!

[saltpoint]

140. Buses indeed. An old trick, but here we go again.

And of course, collge students just let themselves be led by the first damn thing that comes along.

And they call this system 'democracy.' Hah!

[liskddksil]

132. Oh noes

Some new polling data from My Really Big Sample Polling shows it really tightening.

[saltpoint]

141. I read the same data. When the polling begins to tighten like that, it

means the race is over and that we're doomed.

[denem]

134. It's Over: Rev. Wright will kill Obama.

OMG they're plying that God Damn America stuff 24/7. Obama is finished. No way he can come back now. His 'Improbable Journey' just came 'Impossible Journey'.

[saltpoint]

142. Agree. It makes me wonder why Obama thought he could ever hold

elective office in the first place.

Rev. Wright is the unwelcome guest. That G.D. America quotation will bring down Obama and probably dozens of other Illinois Democrats as well.

Except Rod Blagojavich. He seems to be in pretty good political shape, and uneffected by the flap over Rev. Wright. So I expect he'll hold on strong and true for some years to come.

[Every Man A King]

136. He is the second coming of Michael Dukakis!!!111

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5890390#5891889

depakid (1000+ posts) Thu May-08-08 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #27
46. You're likely not going to drastically change the electoral map
One way or the other.

The same states with low differentials will determine the outcome this time as with elections past.

With that in mind, the thread is useful, because it pretty well shows who has credibility here- and who's been drinking kool-aid.

[RFKHumphreyObama]

137. The first African-American President will be a Republican

An African-American Democrat can never win the White House

And, yes, I actually heard people say that

[saltpoint]

138. Agree. It won't be a Democrat, that's for sure. The first female president

and the first Afro-American president will likely be Republicans. The electorate is too conservative, and fearful, and skittish, and won't support a woman or an Afro-American unless those candidates are "ideologically palatable."

He's not mentioned much in the press, but mark my words, Michael Steele, Republican of Maryland, is out there on the horizon and rapidly rising as a GOP star. Steele's going places. He's one to watch.

[CTyankee]

145. Thanks for the public service you have done with this thread.

It shows us how clouded our judgment could be on what was happening to the electorate in this country. We were beset by doubt when we could have saved ourselves all the trouble and been more positive.

I met a couple (VERY liberal) on the flight back from Spain (2 days before the election) who took the trip because the wife was sick and tired of seeing her husband glued obsessively to the computer at dawn each day to check the polls. She said "That's it! We're going to take a trip to Spain" and sat down and planned the whole thing and off they went. He was a newly retired VP from the University of California, located in Berkeley. I can't tell you how many other of my liberal friends and family (we had LONG discussions on polls) were doing the same obsessing. And, of course, we nearly spun out of control here on DU. THE PUMAS! THE PUMAS!

[saltpoint]

146. Hey there. And good morning.

That election was a mind-blower.

It was just a mind-blower.

As difficult as times are now under McCain and Palin times would have been almost unthinkable. I shudder to think what those two lunkheads would have brought.

[CTyankee]

147. I try not to even think about it.

:scared:

[Froward69]

148. I heard a rumor

Obama has fathered not one but 2 black children... :sarcasm:

[XemaSab]

149. Hillary is 44!

:o

[eppur_se_muova]

150. WORST. FLASHBACK. EVER. nt