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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:10 PM
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Obama on nationalization
Transcript: Obama Speaks On Economy

Of course, there are some who differ with our approach. On the one hand, there are some who argue that the government should stand back and simply let these banks fail -- especially since in many cases it was their bad decisions that helped create the crisis in the first place. But whether we like it or not, history has shown repeatedly that when nations do not take early and aggressive action to get credit flowing again, they have crises that last years and years instead of months and months -- years of low growth, years of low job creation, years of low investment, all of which cost these nations far more than a course of bold, upfront action.

And although there are a lot of Americans who understandably think that government money would be better spent going directly to families and businesses instead of to banks -- one of my most frequent questions in the letters that I get from constituents is, "Where's my bailout?" -- and I understand the sentiment. It makes sense intuitively, and morally it makes sense, but the truth is that a dollar of capital in a bank can actually result in $8 or $10 of loans to families and businesses. So that's a multiplier effect that can ultimately lead to a faster pace of economic growth. That's why we have to fix the banks.

Now, on the other hand, there have been some who don't dispute that we need to shore up the banking system, but they suggest that we've been too timid in how we go about it. This is essentially the nationalization argument that some of you may have heard. And the argument says that the federal government should have already preemptively stepped in and taken over major financial institutions the way that the FDIC currently intervenes in smaller banks, and that our failure, my administration's failure to do so is yet another example of Washington coddling Wall Street -- "Why aren't you tougher on the banks?"

So let me be clear: The reason we have not taken this step has nothing to do with any ideological or political judgment we've made about government involvement in banks. It's certainly not because of any concern we have for the management and shareholders whose actions helped to cause this mess. Rather, it's because we believe that preemptive government takeovers are likely to end up costing taxpayers even more in the end, and because it's more likely to undermine than create confidence.

Governments should practice the same principle as doctors: First, do no harm. So rest assured -- we will do whatever is necessary to get credit flowing again, but we will do so in ways that minimize risks to taxpayers and to the broader economy. To that end, in addition to the program to provide capital to the banks, we've launched a plan that will pair government resources with private investment in order to clear away the old loans and securities -- the so-called toxic assets -- that are also preventing our banks from lending money.

Now, what we've also learned during this crisis is that our banks aren't the only institutions affected by these toxic assets that are clogging the financial system. AIG, for example, is not a bank, it's an insurance company, as I mentioned -- and yet because it chose to insure billions of dollars worth of risky assets, essentially creating a hedge fund on top of an insurance company, its failure could threaten the entire financial system and freeze lending even more. And that's why, as frustrating as it is -- and I promise you, nobody is more frustrated than me with AIG -- (laughter) -- I promise -- we had to provide support for AIG, because the entire system, as fragile as it is, could be profoundly endangered if AIG went into a liquidation bankruptcy.

It's also why we need new legal authority so that we have the power to intervene in such financial institutions, the same way that bankruptcy courts currently do with businesses that hit hard times but don't pose systemic risks -- and that way we can restructure these businesses in an orderly way that doesn't induce panic in the financial system -- and, by the way, will allow us to restructure inappropriate bonus contracts without creating a perception the government can just change compensation rules on a whim.

This is also why we're moving aggressively to unfreeze markets and jumpstart lending outside the banking system, where more than half of all lending in America actually takes place. To do this, we've started a program that will increase guarantees for small business loans and unlock the market for auto loans and student loans. And to stabilize the housing market, we've launched a plan that will save up to four million responsible homeowners from foreclosure and help many millions more to refinance their homes.



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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:21 PM
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1. we shouldn't nationalize because nationalizing is a bad idea
his circular reasoning on Wall Street in a nutshell.

We should give corrupt failed banker elites trillions of dollars because giving corrupt failed banker elites trillions of dollars is a good idea.

We shouldn't nationalize banks because nationalizing banks is a bad idea.

Sounds like a second-rate lawyer representing Wall Street bankers.

Most of the rest of his speech was good though.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:39 PM
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5. that's not what he said and you know it --you are setting up a straw man argument
and putting into Obama's mouth.

what a disgrace you are.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 05:56 PM
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15. A remedial reading course may be in order....
if that is truly what you think you read.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:26 PM
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2. Thanks for this info. I appreciate information directly from the
President as to what he's doing and why.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:32 PM
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3. Sounds like a Paul Krugman smackdown!
:fistbump:
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:38 PM
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4. "We believe that preemptive government takeovers are likely to end up costing taxpayers even more in
the end, and because it's more likely to undermine than create confidence."

"Our banks aren't the only institutions affected by these toxic assets...we need new legal authority so that we have the power to intervene in such financial institutions, the same way that bankruptcy courts currently do with businesses that hit hard times but don't pose systemic risks."

Hmm. These points make sense to me.

I look forward to hearing the critics address this speech.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 05:08 PM
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12. I look forward to the new legal authority that I hope
represents some type of regulation. Lines of credit for businesses I totally understand, but I maintain, available credit does nothing for the unemployed. People need money not credit.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:00 PM
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6. k and r
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:12 PM
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7. Exactly!
Thank you, President Obama for your clear speech today. Points many here on DU have tried to make many times to no avail.

Hopefully the stubborn on the right, and the left will take a breath. (Well a girl can always hope.)


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JayMusgrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:16 PM
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9. I agree ! Obama laid it out there today, perfectly clearly.
There will always be those who oppose or resist, but Obama knows what he is doing.



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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:13 PM
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8. This is the part that folks are in denial about when it comes to the effects of Nationalization....
Edited on Tue Apr-14-09 03:14 PM by FrenchieCat
it's because we believe that preemptive government takeovers are likely to end up costing taxpayers even more in the end, and because it's more likely to undermine than create confidence.


Just envision foreign investors running away with their hair on fire, and turning to the Yen and the Euro, cause that is exactly what would happen. There is a reason that America has been able to attract foreign investors all of these years. If investors wanted to invest in a government controlled financial systems, they would have done so long ago. Why bother to invest in a country who is signaling that their financial systems are so badly off to the point that the government has had to end their capitalistic financial system although it is the thing that always drew investors to its markets?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:40 PM
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10. They ignore it because it doesn't serve their anti-Obama agendas
Intellectual honesty is not a common trait amoung the anti-Obama crowd.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 05:39 PM
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14. Obama's a smart man, but he's wrong on both counts.
What he needs to do is hire a very smart financial adviser who isn't currently connected to Wall Street and spend the time it requires to have a really deep understanding of this crisis. I am certain that he would be a fast learner. The problem is that he has been getting bad advice thus far.

Putting the banks into receivership is the best option for the taxpayer. There is a large pool of untapped money that's being protected through various bailout schemes. It's time to end the charade and force the bondholders to pay for the write downs. Restructure the banks, break them up, start over with a healthier, leaner financial system. No one is talking about the government running banks. They will be quickly reprivatized.

The current lack of transparency and the blatant deception with regard to the health of our banking industry are doing FAR more harm to our international reputation than a surgical receivership ever could.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:55 PM
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11. I've understood the argument every time its been made - I simply don't agree.
Edited on Tue Apr-14-09 03:57 PM by Political Heretic
It's not that I disagree and think that instead the solution rests in "nationalization" alone. Anyone talking about "nationalization" needs to define what they mean by the term, since it can mean so many different things (so many different "shades") It's that I think the entire structure of the bailout rests on the assumption that the "fundamentals" of the economy are sound, sorry to borrow such a bad phrase. It rests on the premise that all we need to do is just get credit flowing again, and the goal is to return to the "way things were" economically speaking.

The trouble with that, is the way things were was terrible. It was grossly inequitable, giving us the highest income inequality of all 20 nations in the OEDC. Our poor were getting poorer and growing in number. Middle class wages had been on a thirty year stagnation pace (with only the smallest of percentile fluctuations plus or minus). It was a robber baron system of plunder capitalism, fundamentally flawed.

This financial crisis was yet another warning, and now instead of having the courage to really do something about it, we're electing to just "restore" the same ol, same ol. Well we will slap a new layer of regulation on it, guaranteeing that our inequitable highly unjust system of plunder capitalism will limp along for another thirty years before imploding again...

That's my fear, and that's why I don't like any plan where the goal is the restoration of the economic status quo. The staus quo sucked. This is a time for bold transformative action and that opportunity is being squandered.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 05:29 PM
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13. it was a good speech, but I think he's got that part wrong.
Forcing banks to write down their bad assets and then restructuring them would finally put an end to this crisis, as opposed to the current endless recapitalization schemes which have dragged the nightmare out. The administration should force bondholders to take a haircut, which would save the taxpayers from the bulk of the write downs.
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Tigermoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:42 AM
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16. This is what I call discourse.
Unfortunately the strawman brigade will still be spamming the net while ignoring reasonable decision making in the face of a crisis.
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