To all of the Obama is failing DUers: You would have a lot more credibility if just one time you..

[Dawgs]

..gave him credit for doing something right.

It's always pro-corporation, warrantless wiretapping, no health-care(which is ridiculous considering he hasn't proposed anything yet), and all of the other things you guys don't like, but never anything positive. Have any of you ever replied to something he's done that you like, or does that hurt your agenda?

What gives? :shrug:

[opihimoimoi]

1. Bullies don do dat...they always denigrate.. ..point.... blame....they think

making others look bad...makes them look good....convoluted and assinine

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. I really don't think those people are worried about credibility.

[FrenchieCat]

3. You "Better Believe It"!.....you will not find a positive comment from those too busy right now

scouring the internet for more negative articles to post.

[Cha]

10. Or hatching drooling

hypothetical scenarios like "mccain let Obama win."

[PBS Poll-435]

12. ;-)

:fistbump:

[Political Heretic]

46. I believe this is called calling another DUer out. And you've been doing it consisently for weeks.

And yet, you are still here.

That's good. I'm glad that you are. I don't think banning is usually the way to go. But I find it unsettling that you are while someone else is not as of today, given how regularly and flagrantly you break the rules.

[BlooInBloo]

4. I've said that repeatedly. It remains true.

[TheBigotBasher]

5. If the President fails

it will not be because of his programmes. It will be because of Hard Right Democratic Senators (they call themselves moderates). To paraphrase what I said in another post, when it comes to dealing with the poor, the unemployed, the uninsured, the homeless; they do not run teaparties, they are too busy surviving.

The Democratic Party is about them first.

[Zynx]

6. Someone who is only a critic is the lowest form of life.

Anyone who exists just to tear down and never to give credit or praise isn't worth the skin on their bones.

[Cha]

9. The place is crawling

with them.

[Cha]

7. Kinda like Gloria Borger said about the repukes..

"Here's the problem: If Republicans can't allow that the president did his job well in this unambiguous case, why should we believe their complaints about anything else? If they can't pat him on the back for this one, why should we even listen to their arguments about the budget, about health care, about energy?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8343620#8343671

[PBS Poll-435]

8. Yay — but boo.

:-)

[Spazito]

14. LOL, I read that thread too...

Seeing "Yay - but boo" posted here made me laugh out loud! Thanks for the laugh!

[Raine]

11. Same as with the reTHUGs

they have no credibility cause they too filled with hate. x(

[geek tragedy]

13. They don't care about credibility.

They just care about acting out their psychological issues with authority figures.

[Spazito]

15. Damn good thing I prepared a BIG bowl of popcorn in anticipation of a....

VERY long wait for a response to your legitimate question. The way it's going even this BIG bowl may need to be replenished.

[eridani]

16. Every time he does something positive, like the student loan revamping--

--I always chime in with a reminder to WRITE YOUR CONGRESSCRITTERS about it.

[Fire1]

17. And WHY should anybody care about their credibility?????

[Fire1]

18. And WHY should anybody care about their credibility?????

[Fire1]

19. sorry about the dupe.

[Forkboy]

20. While I agree, the reverse is also true.

He has some defenders right in this very thread that fawn over him to a very disturbing degree, something we always harped on the Repubs for doing with Bush. Endless criticism is annoying, and so is endless praise. The truth is that Obama is a very good man, but not perfect. Like all of us he's made mistakes and will make more. Some point that out but take it way too far. Some point that out rationally and in keeping with liberal ideals. The people who gush over Obama see no difference between the two, and they are the Democratic equivalent of the Republican 20 percenters. There's really no meaningful difference between those you talk about and those I talk about. I find both to be pretty useless.

[Marrah_G]

25. I wish I could reccomend your post.

[ClarkUSA]

26. Plenty of us disagreed w/his cabinet choices & thought his Special Olympics remark was a mistake.

The difference is there's no constantly critical OPs by Obama supporters towards a certain politician or two from the '08 primaries/
general election, which appears to be the agenda of the PUMA/Freeper trolls/bitter sore losers of other '08 presidential candidates
that use GDP as a tool for daily divisive disruption so they can vent their vengeful bile towards the winning President Obama and
his proud supporters.

[Marrah_G]

33. perhaps my nerves are just completely raw at this point, but....

I feel as though I am forever lumped into the "obama hater" catagory simply because I supported Hillary in the primary. I was called all sorts of names then and many times even 8 months later if I speak out against something Obama does the same sorts of names come to the surface by the same people. As if somehow choosing a Dem that lost the primary, during the primaries, voids my right to have an opinion on things I've been passionate about for most of my adult life.

Right now I like about 1/2 or maybe 2/3 of what he has done, then there are things like torture, privacy, gblt rights and Iraq that I am less then thrilled about.

I knew when I voted for him that I would like some thing and other things would really piss me off. The alternative would be a repuke who would ALWAYS piss me off. Seemed like a no brainer vote for me.

Okay- I'm gonna stop rambling now, I've already said more then I intended to.

[mkultra]

31. You neglect one every important point

Which is the venue. THIS board is Democratic Underground. While sure you feel that extremes of opinion are useless, you probably feel that way less due to substance and more due to their relation on the opinion line. Essentially, politics is about opinion. On this board, those how generally agree with the democratic party, policies, and candidates, are invited to share. Its an escape from the world at large where we have to fight bigotry and idiocy at every turn.

Here, there be Democrats.

[AtomicKitten]

47. well said and I agree

Here, there be Democrats! Yarr!!

[mix]

43. +1

[joshcryer]

21. I liked his dog pick.

And the fact that he went to Europe. And that he did the right thing with the hostage situation. And the fact that he stil does weekly updates and lets people knowing what the fuck is going on, and the fact that he removed Bush's stem cell ban, and the fact that he's unlocking gitmo, and the fact that he set a timeline for withdrawal.

Hey not all of us are haters.

[jefferson_dem]

23. Good on you, joshcryer.

:thumbsup:

[eridani]

22. He's only failing in some respects. In others, he is a rousing success n/t

[Marrah_G]

24. I don't think he is failing, but I also strongly dislike some of his choices.

Unfortunately to some folks on DU if you weren't an Obama supporter in the primary then you aren't allowed to criticize anything he does or it makes you one of the "haters". I would say I am about 50/50 on his choices. Those that I disagree with I have held my position on the issues in most cases since before he was even a senator. I don't give someone a pass for being a Dem.

I don't want him to fail. I want him to succeed. I just wish some of the things that matter to me, mattered to him. If enough people speak out, maybe he will change his views or policies on them.

[LWolf]

27. Yes, I have.

I agreed with his remarks about 2nd language learning during the election.
I agreed with his remarks about bigger dogs, and I'm fine with Bo.
I agreed with something he did that was on the radio this week. I can't remember what it was now, though. NPR woke me up (it's my alarm,) and I lay there and listened. I even thought, "I ought to post that," lol, because I've tried to post things supporting what he does right, on the rare times it happens.

I've forgotten now what it was. :shrug:

I know it wasn't anything to do with the military or with education. Or health care. Probably not with the economy. I'll let you know if I remember.

[Orsino]

28. Is it possible to prove that these unnamed DUers never give him credit? n/t

[acmavm]

30. Of course not. But don't let something like stupidity stand in the

way of making blanket statements that sound like something coming from a petulent three-year olds.

YOU JUST WANT HIM TO FAIL
YOU NEVER LIKED OBAMA
YOU SUPPORTED ****** SO YOU NEVER INTENDED TO (NAME WHATEVER THE WHINE IS TODAY)

[mkultra]

32. actually, it is possible for the admins

They have just decided to ignore the problem for a time.

[ima_sinnic]

29. the deal breaker has been his hard-right refusal to reinstate habeas corpus

--and this was after the big-whoop bullshit promise he made on Day 1 that "the rule of law" would be restored and habeas corpus reinstated. Instead of doing that, he has made a point of appealing a ruling that certain Afghani Guantanamo prisoners had the right to appeal their detention; in other words, he's denying them the right to be charged with anything.

Monday April 13, 2009 06:06 EDT
An emerging progressive consensus on Obama's executive power and secrecy abuses, Glenn Greenwald
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/13/obama/index.html

". . . Ultimately, though, motives don't matter. Simply put, there is no excuse, justification or mitigation for advocating blatantly unconstitutional and tyrannical powers or claiming that secrecy shields the President from the rule of law. Nor is the faith-based belief that Obama is a Good Person who therefore deserves trust even remotely rational or relevant. As Professor Turley put it on Countdown: "It doesn‘t matter if you are a good person doing bad things. You are doing bad things." These secrecy and detention powers are among the most dangerous and tyrannical powers a President can seize, and Obama's attempt to cling to them is deplorable no matter his 'motives'."

Saturday April 11, 2009 08:41 EDT
Obama and habeas corpus -- then and now, Glenn Greenwald
(shows Obama is just a fucking liar, or without any real convictions about "constitutional law")
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/11/bagram/index.html

Obama to Appeal Detainee Rulling
April 10, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/11/world/asia/11bagram.html?_r=1&ref=world

Not Just State Secrets: Obama Continuing Bush's Stonewalling On Gitmo Cases, Lawyer Claims
By Zachary Roth - April 10, 2009
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/yesterday_we_told_you_about.php

Wednesday April 8, 2009 10:26 EDT
Keith Olbermann's scathing criticism of Obama's secrecy/immunity claims
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/08/criticism/index.html

There's plenty more like these out there. The last time I looked, there were more than 400 comments posted after the first-linked piece, 99.99% of them disillusioned, scathing, and hostile. In fact, the issue is going to become almost impossible for him to ignore. How will he handle it? That will determine whether his base dwindles down to nothing, or can truly get behind him once again.

since I feel that I have been conned by him, and with this big cancer of fraud and rights abuses going on in the background, am I supposed to put on a happy face and pretend it's okay to be lied to while people who were kidnapped continue to be held for 7 years with no due process? That is the kind of thing a tin-pot dictator does. I just don't trust him, that's all.

You may now resume your uninquisitive cheerleading.

[soulcore]

34. you are dead on.

I'll give him credit for shutting down Gitmo, for dealing with Pirates, hell .. even for sending more tropps into Afghanistan.

I will not give him credit for helping bail out wall street or for continuing to torture people, or for abandoning everything outside the green zone in Iraq.

And I will most definitely NOT stand by him on his stance on Habeus Corpus.

That was the whole point of this election, to reinstate the rule of law in the Executive Branch, and he has proven already he doesn't plan to give up any of the power that Bush and Cheney amassed.

How is that change?

[ima_sinnic]

36. "shutting down Gitmo" did not do diddly-squat, b/c those people have been moved

to Bagram, or, even worse, secret locations.

[soulcore]

38. Exactly.

I thought the sarcasm smiley might be pushing it.

The apologist here amaze me, we didn't stand for any of this crap when Bush was in office.

[ima_sinnic]

39. good to know that at least one other DUer is morally outraged at this BS

when Bush denied the kidnap victims habeas corpus, he was the scum of the earth. But because Obama's doing it, because he's done so many "good" things (and I'm still reserving judgment about whether Summer/Geithner's "plan" is "good"), it's okay.

As we saw in the pirate thing, we don't stand for an American citizen to be kidnapped. But it's okay for us to kidnap people from other countries and make them disappear down a black hole.

[soulcore]

41. Yes, I'm VERY outraged.

And I get tons of shit on here for it as well.

It's not the decisions that bother me, it's the hypocrisy.

And the masses inability to see past party affiliation and actually focus on the issues.

[Life Long Dem]

35. It's not even that. It's the obvious spin, and the posting of MSM's propaganda.

without even bothering to know the truth. Or it's the search high and low to find an article that goes against Obama. As if one unknown blogger turned journalist opinion means something.

[ima_sinnic]

37. not sure what you are talking about here. it is hardly necessary to "search high & low"

to know what HIS DoJ is doing. It's not just "opinion," and there are far more than "one unknown blogger" writing about it. Keith Olberman went on about it days ago, ferchrissake.

can you elaborate on this "spin" that is so out of whack with reality?

[Political Heretic]

40. Already have, on numerous occaisions. So have most "critics"

We really all should be critics, hence the quotes around that.

[Cha]

45. No they haven't ..that's

bullshit. And, they aren't "critics"..they're relentlessly tearing down President Obama with histrionics and filthy accusations.

Who the fuck knows what their agenda is?

[Djinn]

50. how do you know this

do you have a list of "haters" who you search all their posts just to make sure or are you speaking hyperbolic shite?

Who the hell has an agenda on DU? it's a place to share info, talk shit and waste time. The histrionics I see here are those who insist criticism of Obama is some nefarious plot, get a friggin grip it's a DISCUSSION BOARD

[joshcryer]

49. You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to repent.

Didn't you get the memo? :(

[pat_k]

42. Not "all the things." Just one: Intolerable duplicity on Torture.

Obama's persistent and willful refusal to demand the prosecution and punishment of government officials who proudly ordered Americans to torture is an intolerable violation of core and inviolable American principles. As long as he continues to protect the torturers from prosecution he makes himself an accomplice, and ensures that the USA remains a War Criminal Nation.

And those who tolerate his intolerable failure -- who excuse his refusal to prosecute because of all the "good stuff" he is doing -- give cover to torturers.

And pointing out this stark truth does not make one an "Obama-hater." Is it "tough love."

Right now, the battle for the soul of the nation is not between people who label themselves "liberal" or "conservative." It's between those who tolerate the harboring of torturers and those who refuse to; those who are willing to continue as a War Criminal Nation and those who are not; and those government officials who are acting in accord with their oath of office and those who aren't.

With our foundation in ruins, anything our so-called "progressive leaders" manage to build will be as lasting as a castle built on quicksand. There can be no real progress toward "a more perfect union" until we confront the truth, admit that the failure to impeach was monumental failure that can never be erased, and must never be repeated, and Finally Do what duty demands and prosecute Bush, Cheney, and their co-conspirators.

[ima_sinnic]

44. +1+1+1+1+1+1+1

if it's rotten at the core, it's rotten, no matter what it looks like outside.

[leftofthedial]

48. I've been doing exactly that.

He has done some good things. I loved his SOTU (or whatever they called it) speech. Simply outstanding. Stem cell, the stimulus portion of his economic program (about 1/3 of the "Stimulus" bill), the emphasis on education and renewable energy...several other things, and I've posted praise for those things.

I just think 90% or more of his economic agenda is exactly wrong. I don't like his insurance-company-based health care plan. I detest his escalation of our occupations of Middle Eastern countries. I am appalled that he is equivocating on holding war criminals accountable.

My only "agenda" is to stand up for true Democratic principles.

That's what gives.