There's a TEA PARTY tonight on DU ... Let's bash President Obama is what seems to be in the air

[Top Cat]

Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HopeOverFear]

1. I think I'm being spared...just cuz I've hidden so many stupid threads

and ignored so many stupid posters. so I'm probably not seeing what you're seeing.

[Berry Cool]

2. Who is "bashing" him, pray tell?

Looks as if one person's criticism is another person's "bashing."

I guess some people really CAN'T brook any dissent.

[LittleBlue]

3. Any criticism = bashing

We get it. One thread was enough.

You don't agree with criticism, we get that.

[high density]

4. OBAMA LOVES TORTURE!!

IT"S BUSH ALL OVER AGAIN!!!

HENNY PENNY, THE SKY IS FALLING

[Boomerang Diddle]

5. The Obama haters are out in full force.

Seems some people only post when they have something negative to say about the president. What's up with that?

[Cha]

7. You're not imagining it..

they smell blood.. they come out of the woodwork and pounce on the rage wagon with all fours.

[bigjohn16]

6. He's not going to prosecute tortures.

Why is it so wrong for people to be outraged about this?

[Windy]

Uh, he never said that. He said that those who followed the orders as they were written

and put into place by the previous administration would not be prosecuted. He never said that those who wrote the policys and ordered their subordinates to carry out those policies would not be held accountable. And now that the memos have been released, those who crafted and implemented the policy can be held accountable in the international courts and the hague...as the Nazis were.
(John Deans analysis,not mine)

[bigjohn16]

16. He said he wasn't going to prosecute the CIA agents

who carried out the torture. I was just following orders is not a reason to let tortures go free.

[Windy]

20. The nazis prosecuted at Nurenburg where the monsters who came up with the "final solution"

They did not prosecute every military officer who was under their command. It was an international court. Just like the Hague prosecuted Milosevich and not every military officer he directed. Also, those who are given immunity are free to testify without self incrimination.

[bigjohn16]

24. If the CIA agents broke the law and they're not going to

testify under oath against the higher ups in the Bush administration then they need to be prosecuted for their crime.

[vaberella]

34. That's the whole bloody point.

The torture thing was the law under the Bush Admin. So technically they didn't break it. If you're talking about the Geneva Convention that's something else. But through loopholes and memos that gave warrant to "certain" things they were told to do it. Those people might have done it out of pleasure, duty or what not...but my concern is really the people that gave them the right to do it.

[bigjohn16]

36. It wasn't the law.

The Justice Department can't make law they can only give their interpretation of the law. If individual CIA agents tortured then they need to be prosecuted under Title 18, Part I, Chapter 113C of the U.S. Code.

[Windy]

11. Uh, he never said that. He said that those who followed the orders as they were written

and put into place by the previous administration would not be prosecuted. He never said that those who wrote the policys and ordered their subordinates to carry out those policies would not be held accountable. And now that the memos have been released, those who crafted and implemented the policy can be held accountable in the international courts and the hague...as the Nazis were.
(John Deans analysis,not mine)

[tridim]

13. The President can't prosecute anyone, even "tortures"

[Windy]

21. Very true.... that is the purview of the department of justice. nt

[bigjohn16]

23. But he can tell the Justice Department not to appoint a

Special Investigator. I know he doesn't have prosecutorial powers but he does have sway when it comes to a possible investigation.

[vaberella]

35. Has he done that?! No he hasn't...so what's your point? n/t

[bigjohn16]

38. Here is a quote.

"It is our intention to assure those who carried out their duties relying in good faith upon legal advice from the Department of Justice that they will not be subject to prosecution." He is giving a pass to torturers. He hurts himself and America with this decision.

[glowing]

8. Concern noted.. what is this the 15th thread you've posted complaining

about people who are pissed off about torture? I'm sorry, but some things are just a little bit more important than the Pres. I had hope.. I'm thinking its time to dump it all.. these evil fucks who run our govt and tell our elected officials what to do have got to go. Law knows no social status .. it is law. If you get away with it, you don't have laws.. Shall I go rob a bank and tell the judge I thought it ok, since torture was allowed.. so shouldn't robbing banks?

[liberalmuse]

9. Yeah, you said it. This is sad.

But if you don't bash him, then people accuse you of 'drinking the koolaid' or 'blindly supporting him'. Bullshit! I just know who our best hope is right now. It's a President willing to follow the rule of law and listen, along with an electorate that is actively working towards pursuing justice. It's so easy to make a post slamming President Obama. We're more than babies crying to be fed, aren't we? "Obama NEEDS to do this! Obama NEEDS to do that!" This is a representative democracy, people. Get off your asses!!! President Obama is one person. He can't do everything. We need to help.

[Windy]

12. Critical thought somehow takes a back seat to emotion around here lately. nt

[Top Cat]

14. Thanks..... Well said I guess I'm a koolaid drinker

[Double T]

10. NO ONE gets a pass; NO ONE!

Specially if they are screwing up.

[Buzz Clik]

19. Thank God for the Democratic Underground! Who else who tells us when Obama is screwing up?

The Free Republic?

Fox News?

Rush Limbaugh?

Well, yeah. But we don't like their criticism. We only like OUR relentless bashing of a President whose administration is 90 days old.

:crazy: :silly:

[Double T]

25. It would be crazy to accept everything BO has done or plans to do as right or correct.

That in itself is nuts. The left wing and the right wing never question their ULTIMATE Authority and look where it got US.

[Buzz Clik]

BO? Really? Welcome to DU!

And welcome to my ignore list.
Bye, bye.

[Double T]

37. Exactly what I am talking about.

I'm trying for the record.

[Buzz Clik]

33. ..

[Buzz Clik]

15. The Teabagging shiny distraction was only a pause in the Obama bashing.

We can now resume our imitation of the Free Republic.

[Top Cat]

17. That's exactl whats going on tonight on DU...

[HopeOverFear]

18. I think it's going to be nasty around here for a while....I'm leaving

I haven't been here long, but judging from past meltdowns, all the stupid random threads usually stick around for a couple of days, then it seems to die down. (until the next meltdown) and since they seem to come faster than I can hide/ignore them, I'm not going to bother.

[Buzz Clik]

22. You figured all that out in just 320 posts? Sheeeit! It took me nearly 1000.

The word is cesspool.

[Top Cat]

26. I know it's disappointing to see so many nasty threads about the man we helped to elect

[bigjohn16]

28. He's giving criminals a free pass.

Why is it so wrong to call him out about that? He's hurting himself by not standing for the rule of law.

[Fire1]

29. Oh, don't go. You'll miss the tombstoning. There are sure

to be several, at this rate.

[Lyric]

27. How many of these threads do you really need to create?

You're stirring shit as much as anyone else.

[angee_is_mad]

30. Yep

seems like the repubs got an extension.

[Lint Head]

31. There is a major problem brewing if Obama does not condone

criminal prosecution of the Bush crimes. The very people that were on the fence and voted for Obama will vote independent if the laws of our nation are not upheld.
:dem:

[Top Cat]

32. I agree but he has to get this country back on track first.

I'm learning with the president when we under estimate him usually comes through.

[Laurab]

39. Actually, It seems we have those everyday.

I, too, find it unbelievable, but I'm sort of getting used to it. I don't spend too much time here anymore, so I suppose it's a good thing in a way, but if it continues, I don't see DU lasting for the next 4 years. There are a LOT of people who don't seem to be posting anymore - a lot of longtime DUer's, and to me it's quite noticeable.

It can be maddening, but more than that, it makes me sad. When sticking up for Obama a week or so ago, I was told to leave by a person who'd joined in '08 - and called a bunch of silly names by others - worshipper, etc. I never expected all the bashing of Obama, particularly after the 8 years prior to his election. Disagreements and discussion are one thing - the nitpicking bashing is quite another, and seems to be taking over here.

[FrenchieCat]

41. And notice that for the most part, it is the same people

who couldn't stand Obama yesterday, that still can't stand him today. Nothing he did today changed that. It's the fake pretense at being incensed that I cannot stand.

[Top Cat]

42. FrenchieCat you are right so much pretense that is what i hate...

[mmonk]

40. Your comment is insulting.

[Top Cat]

43. I missed the comment what are you referring too