VP-Shock: Biden Less Popular than Cheney

[Beacool]

April 23rd, 2009

Double take. Joe Biden is less popular than Dick Cheney. Well, in the first half year of the first term that is.

A slim 51 percent of Americans have a favorable view of Vice President Biden. Cheney was at 58 percent in July 2001. Al Gore, 55 percent in April 1993. The veep comparison comes courtesy of the Pew Research Center's latest report.

Biden's favorability has declined 12 percentage points since January. And don't blame the GOP. Democrats' favorable view of Biden declined from 87 to 76 percent. Independents' view declined from 58 to 46 percent.

In time, it will prove no challenge for Biden to stay ahead of Cheney's favorability rating. Less than a third of Americans had a favorable view of Cheney when he left office in January.

http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/04/23/vp-shock-biden-less-popular-than-cheney/

What??????????

:wow:

[Bicoastal]

1. Biden mostly stays out of the public eye...

...so it's possible the only viewpoint they have of him is his blustering, bumbling doppelganger on SNL.

[Renew Deal]

4. And his crack about Roberts

I think Obama is so polished that he makes Biden look bad.

[Seen the light]

2. I don't see why that's a shocker

Cheney had an image of the brains behind the Bush White House, so it stands to reason that when there were still people that liked Bush that they would like Bush's "brains" too.

Meanwhile, what does Biden have an image of? He's rarely reported on in the news and when he is, it's always about a gaffe or something stupid. Biden is just kind of....there.

[Beacool]

5. Maybe, but I always thought of Cheney as evil.

Even back then........

:scared:

[blm]

12. Cheney had so much credibility and goodwill back then, prominent Dems did anything he wanted

from 2001-2007.

[Atman]

3. Joe who?

Oh, that guy...the dude from Delaware that handed the credit card companies a license to steal from us.

Has he done anything yet? I forgot he was even VP. So the fuck what...at least he's not Cheney.

.

[Skwmom]

20. He's still out there advocating for the financial crooks.

Vice President Joe Biden on Saturday urged world leaders to act cautiously when redesigning global financial market regulations, amid growing calls for supervision from nations grappling with the global financial crisis.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE52R1O520090328

[Muttocracy]

37. another sound bite from the same meeting

"Biden added: "The most important thing we can do during this whole process - and it's going to begin at the G20 - is to reset the rules of the road; to have common sense oversight that keeps us from getting back into the same spot we are in 10 years from now.""

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/261970,lula-tells-off-brown-biden-zapatero-for-global-crisis--summary.html

[treestar]

46. How could he have given the credit card companies a license

to steal from us?

No one has to use a credit card.

Another thing, how did he do this alone? He was one senator.

[digidigido]

79. You know, I'm as much of a Liberal as anyone else here, but to ask this question is

to profess a level of ignorance that is astounding. Joe Biden is from Delaware, he was the Senator from Delaware.
That is where most banks incorporate. The banking industry was his biggest contributor as a Senator,
and he sponsored and pushed for the changes in the bankruptcy laws that are designed to favor the interests
of the banking industry. As the Senator from Delaware Biden did things to help the state, one was to look
out for the interests of the banks. The banking industry has been gouging creditors legally for years.
I understand your use of semantics defining the use of personal responsibility nonetheless, there is a certain
disingenuousness about it

[Wickerman]

6. Biden is stooge to Obama's brilliance

by design or default, it seems to work.

[Beacool]

23. Stooge?

That's bit harsh, don't you think?

[Peacetrain]

7. If they are comparing the same time lines, if I remember correctly people saw Cheney

as more the hope to keep the country safe with party boy bush at the helm. Little did they know what that dark power behind the throne actually was. So this does not surprise me at all, if you consider the context

[rvablue]

27. Doesn't surprise me either given how the MSM held him up as some type of hero

or genius after his involvement/performance during the Gulf War under Bush I.

I'd also like to see the numbers of those who answered "no opinion" of Biden, too. That might cut into the positive numbers a bit.

[annabanana]

70. That's how I remember it.. People took comfort that there was an "old hand"

there to keep the kid in line if he went awry.

The better we knew him the less we liked him. It will be the opposite with Joe.

[onehandle]

8. Meaningless. Talk to us about this in the Fall of 2016. nt

[Beacool]

24. Well, the columnist does clarify that it's as of the first 100 days.

Cheney's favorable ratings at the end of 2008 must have been in the single digits.

[godai]

9. From the poll, 21% 'don't know' RE: Biden

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions regarding Biden. 51% approval is OK. I wonder why they used a July rating for Cheney? It's not July.

[Muttocracy]

36. vs. only 16 said don't know for Cheney - and we know most people did NOT know enough about Cheney. n

[Bluenorthwest]

10. Joe's the guy who screamed 'NO' to marriage equality

in a frenzy to agree with Sarah Palin that my family should not have equal rights. He's also Mr Credit Card Shill, and no entity is less popular right now than the issuers of credit cards, no business is as abusive to Americans while taking tax money from the same Americans. Joe says nothing about any of it.
He's not Cheney, but then so few are.

[NatBurner]

11. freaky deaky

[underpants]

13. So Dems are moving the poll????

WE LIVE!!!!!!

[ErinBerin84]

14. it would only be shocking

If Cheney CURRENTLY had a better approval rating than Biden.

[Jennicut]

18. LOL , Cheney is one of the most hated men in America

[Beacool]

21. And it is well deserved.

I thought that Bush was a buffoon, but Cheney positively scares me.

:scared:

[Muttocracy]

42. If I had known more about Cheney, I would have been more frightened in 2000.

I was thinking Bush was so stupid not much would happen except tax breaks for the rich and dragging of feet on other things, and bad Supreme Court justices. But the magnitude of destruction was not in my imagination!

[Thrill]

15. People didn't realize Cheney was an evil crook until after 03

[The Hope Mobile]

78. Most didn't. Some did. nt

[Jennicut]

16. Remember many people did not have Cheney figured out until it was too late

I didn't even KNOW much about Cheney until after 9/11/ Remember Bush once had a quite popular rating as did his father after the first Iraq war.
Joe does not force himself into the limelight, he is loyal to Obama and lots of people don't know much about him still. The best thing he has done so far imo is take it to Karl Rove and Cheney and not back down. Being called a liar by Karl Rove is pretty funny stuff.

[Beacool]

22. Cheney ran Halliburton and got a 36M bonus when he left the company.

I knew that Cheney was a creep from day one, just not how MUCH of a creep until after 9/11.

[Jennicut]

25. Well, we all understand what Cheney is about now. He left with a 13 % approval rating.

I don't think Joe's ratings will ever get that low (unless he shoots someone!) though some around here don't like him just as they don't like Hillary.

[Romulox]

17. Joe Biden = Mr. BAPCPA, Drug Warrior, and loud mouth.

ALL I can say for him is at least he isn't Joe Lieberman, but he's sure as shooting Lieberman-esque.

[nolabear]

19. Not with ME he ain't. nt

[Occam Bandage]

26. Cheney was seen by many as a responsible, intelligent, adult counterbalance to Dubya.

They sold an image for him just as successfully as they sold one for Bush.

[burning rain]

56. Cheney did come across well in the 2000 campaign.

He appeared warm, thoughtful, and steady (recall his "two nice uncles" debate with Lieberman). The biggest thing I disliked about Bush at the time was his stupidity. I thought it would make him putty in the hands of whatever nefarious but clever advisors surrounded him, and alas, they turned out to be the worst ones possible with the most powerful wind at their backs (9/11), the neocons and PNAC crew. Even I was surprised that Bush and Cheney revealed themselves as radically evil.

[winyanstaz]

28. well this is news to me...

I kinda like the guy and I like him a whole lot more than I ever liked Cheney..and I dang sure never liked Cheney!
I think it must be republicans they are polling.

[bunkerbuster1]

29. Typical RCP cherry picking.

Real Clear would be the ones who started pimping their stupid "Congressional Approval" polls immediately after the Dems won in Nov. 2006.

[AtomicKitten]

75. it's cherry-picked, low-hanging fruit served up with a side of bitterness n/t

[marlakay]

30. He needs to head up the new trains and mass transit

and he will have great approval from everyone!!

[PatSeg]

31. Biden has been a very busy VP

But the media rarely covers him. They only want to report on Biden if they perceive a gaffe.

[Jennicut]

32. Got to love that liberal media.

Biden only makes gaffes, Hillary is all about drama, Obama is trying to do too much. And yet they continue to allow people like Cheney and Rove on and the say nothing about them.

[PatSeg]

35. Yeah, I'm really tired of all that liberal bias

[ecstatic]

33. If Jay Leno's show is any indication, most Americans won't know

who Biden is, much less Cheney.

[Muttocracy]

38. "What is it that the VeePee does anyway?"...

[Jennicut]

39. LOL. I wonder who said that?

[Muttocracy]

41. I probably shouldn't have used direct quotation marks - after all she didn't say

she could see Russia from her house (though Tina Fey did the trick)

[Beacool]

43. Hannity also does a man on the street segment once a week

on his radio program and 90% of the time people don't know who's the VP. I'm constantly amazed about the ignorance of people. The election was just last November, how can any adult American not know who ran with Obama?????

:crazy:

[nomaco-10]

49. I'm gonna tell you this for your own good...EDITED

HILLARY IS NOT THE PRES. SHE IS NOT THE VICE PRES EITHER. GET OVER IT!!!!!


She has so far redeemed herself with the job she has done as SoS. Please stop making those of us that didn't support her in the first place regret our descision to accept her and give her a full fledged chance to redeem herself.

QUIT WHILE YOU'RE AHEAD.

[Beacool]

50. I still don't know what the hell you're talking about.

:eyes:

Forgot to add, she doesn't need to be "redeemed" for anything. Don't like her? Fine, that's your business.

:shrug:

[nomaco-10]

52. Yes, I know. You're the ....

proverbial deer caught in headlights.

Get a new script luv, the old one has gotten pretty worn out at this point.

[AspenRose]

58. I think it's staged.

I don't think "Flipper" is a true liberal, either.

[Beacool]

59. The Hannity thing is done mainly with college students.

Some of the responses are just as funny as on Leno's.

It's not a party thing, same thing happened when Bush was in office. Most didn't know Cheney was the VP.

:(

[960]

34. Surprising. I love Joe, and think he's far more competent and brilliant than he's

given credit for.

[Metric System]

40. This is weird and hard to believe. Very odd.

[ProSense]

44. Dumb! n/t

[Reterr]

45. Ridiculous

I have always liked Joe Biden and I thought that was a very good pick on Obama's part.

As for the poll, well at least 35% of this country shows up in many random polls as believing ghosts, creationism etc. so...

[nomaco-10]

47. Wow, Just Wow......

Can I ask you a question?

How in the hell did you manage to make it through the primaries here? I was here, and I'm still trying to figure it out. You must have remarkable restraint, although, I sure didn't see it.

You're either one luckiest persons I know, or the most self controlled poster I've ever come in contact with...

[Beacool]

48. What ARE you talking about?

I like Biden, he's a good man and Hillary's friend.

[nomaco-10]

51. THAT'S the Beacool we all know and have come to.....

endure. The deer in headlight's post, "What, what?, huh, huh? you took it all wrong." "That's not what I meant."


BULLSHIT.

[Beacool]

53. Whatever.................

There are plenty of other threads, feel free to go on your merry way.

:7

[dionysus]

62. cough *look at avatar* cough cough...

:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

73. pwnage

[Beacool]

95. Kitten, go scratch on another tree.

;)

[AtomicKitten]

98. you expected a different response to this passive-aggressive flamebait?

:rofl:

[burning rain]

54. Maybe some of Biden's irreverent humor and colorful quips....

don't work as well for a vice president as for a senator. It doesn't make a difference to me, and Biden's an able guy and a good choice for Obama both in terms of politics and policy.

[totodeinhere]

55. I'll bet you anything that Biden will be much more popular than Cheney when his term ends.

People didn't realize yet how evil Cheney really is after just a few weeks in office. But by now everybody knows.

[burning rain]

57. I'm sure that's a given.

Biden's a decent guy.

[Beacool]

60. Of course!!!

Biden is not a nefarious, evil man. He may make some gaffes here and there, but he means well.

:D

[nomaco-10]

61. Of course that's why....

your op pretends that Biden is less popular than Cheney. It's pure beacool bs.


YOU ARE SO TRANSPARENT. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUSELF!


And the use of smiley faces in your posts are rude and redundent at this point.

Obama won.

Hillary is Sos. Why can't you be happy with that?

[Beacool]

63. You're still here?

Shooo!!!

:eyes:

[nomaco-10]

64. I'm still here...

but the question is, how much longer can you hang on til it's PIZZA CITY for you?
It's definitely been a long time coming.

You have a nice night beacool.

[Joe the Revelator]

65. Here's Beacool, pulling the same bullshit she pulls at least once a week

and here I am taking the bait.

[jillan]

66. Not to me! I think Joe Biden is an awesome VP. The media ignores him,

but he is working his cute little butt off for Obama. Traveling all over the country, meeting with business owners that are using the stimulus money, helping Obama get legislation passed thru congress...and more.

He is a great VP, he is working in the shadows of the President.

[Orsino]

67. Biden didn't take office with the media cheering him on. n/t

[onefreespiritedchick]

68. What the %$!?

You've got to be kidding. What in the hell is wrong with these people?

[Jennicut]

69. Per Faux poll he has a 59% favorbility rating and 53% approve

Cheney's average was in the high 50's in 2001 so imo they are about the same. Cheney was the so called adult back then. Funny how Faux is higher then Pew though. They must be crying at Faux that Obama has a 62% approval rating from their own poll! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517802,00.html

[Debi]

71. You posted a Fox poll here on DU?

Great...now the site will explode!!! :nuke:

[Jennicut]

72. LOL.Funny how even Faux cannot cook up bad #'s against Obama and Biden

[Debi]

88. Heh

;)

[Beacool]

83. FOX???? It's a PEW poll.

A slim 51 percent of Americans have a favorable view of Vice President Biden. Cheney was at 58 percent in July 2001. Al Gore, 55 percent in April 1993. The veep comparison comes courtesy of the Pew Research Center's latest report.

:(

[Jennicut]

89. No, the Faux poll shows him higher at 59% and Obama at 62%

two different polls that I'm talking about. :)

[Beacool]

92. Oh, OK.

I still don't get how a nice, affable guy like Biden could have ranked lower in his first 100 days in office than a nasty man like Cheney. Even then, he came across as dour and not pleasant.

:-(

[Jennicut]

97. Because its one poll and probably the average of lots of polls

taken together would probably be higher. As it is, they usually don't poll much for VP's. I really had to research and find much on even Al Gore (whom I always really liked). I think they polled Cheney more over the years as he got to be less and less popular....13% at the end...ouch. And he still won't shut up!

[AtomicKitten]

74. President Clinton should have picked someone else. Wait. What?

[SoxFan]

87. SNARF

:rofl:

[mvd]

76. That's unbelievable

I like Obama more than Biden, but what has Biden done to deserve this fate? I know it's only at this point of time for both, but it could be an outlier poll. Would like to see more done.

[saltpoint]

77. At my house, Biden is wildly more popular than Cheney.

Just sayin'.

[Beacool]

80. I would dare say that at most households he is too.

That's the weirdness of the PEW poll results, except that as some have pointed out, back then many people didn't know the evil creep that he really is.

:-(

[saltpoint]

82. Do I have it right, that you're describing Biden as "an evil creep?"

Go to hell.

[Beacool]

84. Cheney, I meant Cheney.

Back then most people didn't realize that Cheney was an evil man. Personally, he always gave me the creeps.

x(

[saltpoint]

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[Forkboy]

81. Get.The.Fuck.Over.It.Already.

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[saltpoint]

90. In the Democrats' Hall of Fame, Joe Biden should have his own wing.

He's a good man.

Jill is a class act.

Biden was a very strong choice for veep by Barack Obama.

[jillan]

91. Thank G-d! Cheney was popular for unpopular reasons.

[Beacool]

94. Cheney was never a nice man.

That's why I can't imagine how the hell he ranked higher than an easy going guy like Biden.

[saltpoint]

93. Biden rocks.

[gauguin57]

96. On what planet?

ridiculous.