Insects aren't torture....

[vaberella]

Okay...

This is one of the memes on Faux, I've seen guest star fools on MSNBC spout this nonsense, and on CNN.

Check out this video: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x301311

The video is the one with Shep Smith from Faux news where his guest says a "caterpillar" is NOT torture.


Then this one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x302075#302077
Major Garrett says he's deathly terrified of Bees, another one says he's allergic to bees.


Now...If a man is deathly terrified of insects or animals or anything and put in a confined space where he can't run away from them....to say that's not torture is disturbing. This disgusts me. I'd like these clowns to spend 2 minutes in a confined space with a bee..I wonder if they'd be laughing then or even taking this situation so lightly.

How is that NOT torture...I don't know.

[polichick]

1. The box alone is torture imo - but anything that the person is freaked out by...

...could work as torture ~ insects, snakes, whatever.

[vaberella]

3. Exactly...but that idiot on Faux defended it and mocked it's relevance. n/t

[knowbody0]

2. the universe is putting things in order for us all to see.

[Solomon]

20. You think like me.

:thumbsup:

[knowbody0]

21. smile

[Zodiak]

4. Room 101

In Orwell's "1984", putting Winston Smith in a device that caged his head along with a live rat was what broke him.

Fear of that magnitude coupled with confinement qualifies as "severe psychological stress", so yes, it is torture. Orwell thought it was torture (after all, rm 101 was the dreaded place no one wanted to go), and so do I.

I love how the FAUX people are calling it a caterpillar.....do they have ANY evidence that is what was used? Otherwise, they are trying to frame the argument once again, and we should not let them.

[vaberella]

5. Don't remind me of that...because that's my biggest fear.

I had nightmares for years because of that damn book. Like thinking about it makes me cry...shit..now my hands are shaking.

[Zodiak]

8. I rest my case; it's torture

I honestly do not see where these assholes get off on trying to frame it as flowers and rainbows; it's goddamned despicable and makes me ashamed they are my countrymen.

[maxsolomon]

9. Exactly what came to mind for me, too

The knots their twisting themselves into are torturous.

[malakai2]

17. Me too

I wondered what kind of tortured logic would be necessary to suggest that O'Brien wasn't torturing Winston, but only trying to love him. There it is.

[KansDem]

6. I believe we're talking about children here...

That's the difference and if the fucking FOX News whores try to downplay this because they are looking at it as adults, then f*ck them six ways to Sunday!

You can't reason with them...

[vaberella]

7. No...no you can't. n/t

[AtomicKitten]

10. They ferreted out their worst fears and used them against them.

I happen to be completely freaked out by insects. That's why I always have an offspring, SO, or friend nearby to dispatch them for me.

me -------------> :scared:

[vaberella]

11. I don't know if it's appropriate to laugh...an offspring...

That's not joke. I believe there was a study of this years ago where this psychologist did this on test subjects...it reminds me of SAW.

[AtomicKitten]

12. I first typed "child"

but they are both adults and without knowing that it would seem mean that I would have a "child" run interference on bugs for me. :)

[lunatica]

13. How about Fire Ants? Scorpions? Spiders? Millipedes? Certain Caterpillars?

And how about allergies to bee stings?

Someone should smack these people around and then put them in a box with a swarm of pissed off bees.

examples:

http://home.earthlink.net/~roypoodle/tools/Safety%20Reports/stinginginsects/insects.htm

Venomous insects and other arthropods produce venoms that can be classified as:

1. Venoms that produce blisters (vesicating toxins) (e.g., blister beetles, certain stinging caterpillars, millipedes).

2. Venoms that attack the central nervous system (neurotoxins) (e.g., black and brown widow spiders, bark scorpions, certain ticks, Hymenoptera, wheel bugs).

3. Venoms that destroy tissue (cytolytic and haemolytic) (e.g., Hymenoptera, fire ants, ground scorpions, mites, chiggers, wheel bugs, brown recluse spider).

4. Toxins that prevent blood from clotting (haemorrhagic) (e.g., lice, fleas, ticks, mites, true bugs, biting flies).

[spanone]

14. neither is water...or rope....or lead....or gunpowder....or nuclear fission

[JuniperLea]

15. And a rope isn't hanging

And gun isn't death...

These idiots are really scraping the bottom of the brain barrel, aren't they?

[beachmom]

16. This was a torture PROGRAM. These techniques were used

in combination. The Fox News folks are creating strawmen. Or straw-insects.

[cags]

18. I have no problem with mental "torture". Bugs, threats whatever. Physical torture I have a problem.

[Oak2004]

27. You have no problem with psychological torture? Have you read anything about it.

Read.

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/64/3/277

http://physiciansforhumanrights.org/library/documents/reports/break-them-down-the.pdf

If you don't want to read actual documents and prefer short summaries, try these:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11313

http://psychoanalystsopposewar.org/blog/2007/03/05/psychological-torture-is-torture-new-study-finds/

There are only two types of people who "have no problem" with psychological torture: those who don't really know anything about it, and sociopaths.

[snake in the grass]

32. I couldn't have said it better myself.

n/t

[truth2power]

37. Your last line....well stated., n/t

[GoCubsGo]

19. How about we shut these assclowns up in a box with...

...a swarm of bullet ants or an Australian funnel web spider or two?

[Grinchie]

24. Yipes!

That thing sound absolutely ferocious -- a lot like Ann Coulter

[GoCubsGo]

34. Worst bite ever....

On the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmidt_Sting_Pain_Index">Schmidt Sting Pain Index, they're at the top. The pain lasts a day or more. They look kind of like Ann, too. Long and thin, always dressed in black... ;-)

[Grinchie]

22. I'm deathly afraid of the Stinging Nettle Caterpillar

As are about 100% of the people on the Big Island of Hawaii.

I'm also afraid of the Little Fire Ant, which is so small, you almost need a loupe to see them, but they sting like a full size fire ant.

I'm afraid to think that all of these little invaders was brought to Hawaii, the most remote Archipelago on the planet, and now is subject to the same hoors that afflict other areas of the world.

I think that John Hurt was afraid of Rats in the Movie 1984, and if you haven't seen that seen, it is the most terrifying filmed version of torture I have ever seen. It's truly nighmarish. I think Richard Burton is at his best as a psychopath in that movie.

[vaberella]

25. No..no I won't watch it. Because my biggest fear is rats. I mean it's my ultimate nightmare.

I jump in the shadows and start screaming if people people mention the name. Thinking about one gives me the shakes, I break out in tears as I'm about to do, I am currently focusing on other things in order to not imagine them or I will NOT sleep. I cannot see them. I have problems with rodents in general but rats in particular. The book gave me nightmares...I won't go into the film which I will NEVER see.

[Grinchie]

23. I wonder how the Studio would react if..

They opened their little bucket of chinese food and a swarm of cockroaches burst out and invaded the studio.

I bet they would run like little girls.

[vaberella]

26. It would be a dead zone in about 5 seconds flat. n/t

[Frank Booth]

28. Caterpillars are scary

[vaberella]

30. For fucks sake....gross. n/t

[dorkulon]

29. If it were a centipede, I'd be freaking the hell out.

Caterpillars don't scare me, but it really depends on the individual phobia.

I can't believe how many people are willing to argue down these standards. Arguing for torture is--well, it's just evil. These people are happily arguing for torture. History will remember them as monsters.

[donnrfl]

31. i would rather

i would rather have a couple fingernails ripped off than being tied up and locked in a coffin with insects

[tkmorris]

33. Whoever said that has never seen an adult Palmetto Bug

[Vinca]

35. , , , or a great big, hairy, bird-eating spider. They have fangs. nt

[AyanEva]

36. 1984

Didn't they do that at the end of that book? Stuck the guy's head in a box and threatend to put rats in because he was petrified of rats? Or something. It's been years since I read it but I seem to remember the Ministry of Peace, or whatever it was called, doing something similar.

[gauguin57]

38. aieeeeeeee!