Obama 'furious' over plane mishap, sources say

[jefferson_dem]

Obama 'furious' over plane mishap, sources say
Posted: 07:58 PM ET

From CNN Senior White House Correspondent Ed Henry

(CNN) – President Obama was "furious" after one of the presidential jets was allowed to fly low over New York City for a White house photo-op, a senior administration official told CNN.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/27/obama-furious-over-plane-mishap-sources-say/

[politicasista]

1. Good!

Them people should have known better. Get em. Mr. President. :patriot:

[BlooInBloo]

2. I get the feeling Obama's a reasonable person, but has little patience for Teh Stupid.

[groovedaddy]

3. If that were the case how could he EVER "reach across the aisle?" n.t

[BlooInBloo]

10. He did. Once. Now he's going the reconciliation process route.

[vaberella]

17. That's my Prez!!! n/t

[Hekate]

65. The Prez was simply belaying enough rope to the Repubs so they could hang themselves...

... and they did. Now when he's in meetings with them, he reminds them of that. :evilgrin:

Hekate

[jbnow]

111. He actually did work across aisle in Illinois Senate, he'd give a little

but not compromise on the core of whatever bill...and he'd get a lot of votes from the other party.
I'm sure he did have high hopes here since Dems often went for bush crap even when they were treated like crap. He probably thought treating them with respect, taking some of their ideas, explaining the reason for his positions...would get some cooperation
And got nothing.
So on to the next plan.

[donheld]

72. Easily

He'd reach across the aisle and bitch slap some folk.

[targetpractice]

4. I wonder what that was like.

I can't picture him being furious... I've read in the past that friends/colleagues claim he never gets heated.

[Muttocracy]

7. I can - tight lips, furrowed brow, glare

It takes a lot to do it, but I wouldn't want to piss him off!

[gblady]

27. you've got it.....

remember in June when he took Joe aside in the senate for a chat.....

[csziggy]

81. Kinda of like this?

But actually in this shot he just looked peeved not furious. This shot was in a story about Obama getting angry at Lieberman - http://www.truthout.org/article/obama-confronts-lieberman-mccain-advocacy

[Posteritatis]

9. Laser beams shoot forth from his eyes! (nt)

[Fleshdancer]

12. When he gets angry, he turns into The Rock Obama

:rofl:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/the-rock-obama/1056126/

[BlooInBloo]

23. BWAHAHAHAAHAA!!!!

[Hekate]

67. That's hilarious. roflmao

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[BlooInBloo]

18. Just a look of disapproval from him would suffice for any reasonable person.

[yawetag]

106. You know it Bloo!

But "any reasonable person" leaves out most Republicans!!!!!!!!!!

Damn but our Prez sure rocks, doesn't he? Like Elvis and James Brown and the Beatles COMBINED!

He has too much frickin' mojo for just guy -- which means SOMEONE had to be left in the lurch (probably moi! LOL!!!!)

[Monk06]

40. This is will give you an idea what BO pissed looks like ........

Notice Mc Cain goin "Joe, do what he says. I don't want him killin you in front of me."

[Jim Pivonka]

63. Basketball players know it does not pay to get "heated"

it's a different game altogether. My impression is that if you have studied Barack Obama's basketball game, you'll have a lot better idea of how he responds to pressure. If you have the game in your blood as a player or fan you'll get a lot closer to understanding why he responds the way he does.

And I have read that if you've played street ball, you'll be better able to predict his responses to "agressive" play against him. Hint: it is neither easy nor hot - more hard and cold, like steel - fast, with a sharp edge. But maybe that's just a rumor.

[targetpractice]

66. That's interesting! Michelle once said...

... He's cool and relaxed because he grew up in Hawaii. She said "to understand Barack, you need to understand Hawaii."

[valerief]

5. KO just said, "You take responsiblity, Caldera? Okay, then resign. We can't trust you."

:rofl:

[liberalmuse]

6. I wouldn't want to see him angry.

Well, maybe I would, LOL. Good! That doesn't sound like something our highly competent President would be a party to.

[William769]

8. I'm glad to see Obama furious over this gaffe.

I feel for the New Yorkers on the ground that witnessed this and had no idea what was going on.

[firedupdem]

11. I'm sure he was. That was really stupid! n/t

[Born_A_Truman]

13. You have to wonder what they were thinking

...(obviously NOT thinking)...wouldn't someone make the connection of what that would do to New Yorkers?

[CTyankee]

112. This is why I am now suspecting that there is a faulty communications system

between offices at the White House. I have seen this happen in organizations that should know better. Somebody thinks somebody else is in charge of telling someone else what needs to be done (in this case, discussing how this could be done and realizing it probably can't). This isn't like "Heckuva job Brownie." I think Obama has great people working for him. This is a systems failure, I would be willing to bet...

[Cha]

14. I thought the NYC police department knew

about this before hand? Lots of conflicting stories about this mishap.

Since edhenry is reporting it..I'm leary of taking it at face value.

[Blue_Tires]

16. NPR said the FAA and NYPD were notified...

why the NYPD didn't see fit to call the mayor, no one knows....

[Muttocracy]

19. yeah, sounds like lower level folks at WH and NYPD didn't contact the big bosses! nt

[Hutzpa]

32. According to Keith

his name is Luis Caldero, thats the name of the idiot.

Maybe he is one of Cheney's goons.

[intheflow]

42. That was my first thought:

this was orchestrated by some civil servant marketing holdover from the Bush admin who wanted New Yorkers to associate a plane with the presidential seal with terrorists, right down to the fighter jet "escorts."
:wtf:

[Muttocracy]

59. hmm, that's an interesting theory. nt

[Hutzpa]

120. Could be one the left behind

Simon Hearsh was talking about when he mentioned that Cheney has people
he 'LEFT BEHIND' to cause havoc.

This is one of them me thinks....

IMO he should be hanged...:grr:

[Canuckistanian]

25. Blumberg's office was informed, I hear

He knew. He just didn't think it important enough to announce, I guess.

[Blue_Tires]

39. i heard some sound bites from his press conference

he made it sound like it was a complete surprise...guess one side or the other is in CYA mode...

[flyarm]

46. my news here in Fl said he did not know and he was mad! They just showed the presser..

ABC news in Fl..eom

[vaberella]

52. Well they're wrong. He knew. If the NYPD knew...he knew...end of story. n/t

[vaberella]

51. Exactly...and he claims he didn't. But shit like this is not something you don't know.n/t

[Canuckistanian]

56. <wrong location>

[vaberella]

62. What was the ? n/t

[vaberella]

50. The Mayor's office was notified as well. But they didn't "get it." Mayor BB doesn't tell NYers ..

everything.

[Blue_Tires]

15. i don't get it...

first of all, why not inform the mayor's office? and but most importantly, isn't this a bit far for a photo op? they flew the AF1 from Andrews to New York for promotional photos? why not some photochop or CGI? most wouldn't know the difference and no one would care...

[spanone]

20. i don't blame him...here's a youtube video where people were freaking out in NYC

pretty damned boneheaded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn0tMMYEkQU

[spanone]

21. duper

[chill_wind]

22. Is the DOD and the FAA out of their ever-loving fekking minds?

"They were making two, maybe three passes," FAA spokesman Jim Peters told News 4 New York. "The and the FAA worked this all out in advance."

A Pentagon official confirmed that while the Presidential Airlift Group, which is based out of Andrews Air Force Base, did inform the FAA and New York City officials about this morning's aerial photo op, they also told both agencies not to inform the public about it.The NYPD confirmed that statement.

from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30434584/

[intheflow]

44. Why not inform the public?

What the fuck was the logic behind that? :banghead:

[vaberella]

53. Blame Bloomberg, he was notified and if the NYPD knew..he can't sell me he didn't know. n/t

[cboy4]

96. Oh horsehit. Do you think the mayor would sign off on this

without informing the media so the population would know?

Give me a break.

[vaberella]

119. And you'd think he wouldn't know but the NYPD did?! How does that fly?! n/t

[Amelie]

115. Personally, I think it would have been great PR to let the public know

It would have been a once-in-a-lifetime chance for a lot of people to see AF1.

[etherealtruth]

24. As he should be n/t

[marshall]

26. Keeping people on their toes

And roll with the punches.

[BeyondGeography]

28. Dumbest idea ever

Beyond the obvious impact on NYC, how much does a vanity run like that cost? Talk about handing political gold to the haters.

[Better Believe It]

29. Unless it was a military exercise

[Hutzpa]

35. Military exercises ???

Military exercises my ASS..

They could have done this exercises somewhere else, why
New York were memories are still fresh in peoples mind of
9/11.

Maybe this guy is one of Cheney's goons, hell...it could be
his doing for all I care.

[Hutzpa]

30. Somebody should be fired

for lack of judgment...bad apple should always be thrown out

just saying.....

[Better Believe It]

31. That will happen unless it was a military exercise

[rufus dog]

37. although I find the military exercise more plausible than a boner....

why on a Monday morning. And what would be the purpose of the exercise?

[SamCooke]

33. Obama didn't know about this stunt?

the DOD had to have notified someone close to him, or they had to get this signed off by Gates or some other person in his cabinet. That was really a dumb idea. Just fly it over the Ocean and take pics, why do u need it over a landmark? Something doesn't add up. It had to have been some kind of exercise. If not, I want to see the picture.

[vaberella]

54. I don't think so...considering the DOD followed procedure.

It was the responsibility of the Mayor and or NYPD or who ever to inform the public.

[jberryhill]

60. Why would he?

If the Air Force wants to fly planes around and take pictures, they certainly don't need the president's approval.

Flying planes is what they are pretty good at doing.

[WinkyDink]

109. You think the AIR FORCE can just fly in the U.S. ANY TIME??

[Orsino]

110. It was just a photo-op.

That's the sort of thing that filled Bush's days. I'd like to believe that Obama has more important things to do, and does them.

It shouldn't have been important, that is. I understand, I think, how frightening that spectacle could have been. It will give the freeps months of material, as they theorize that this was only a rehearsal for Obama's Sekrit Muslin Cabal.

[rufus dog]

34. I don't believe it, this defies logic

Caldera would have to be the biggest arrogant asshole in the world for this to be plausible. No one spoke up and said this idea was idiotic? No one said hey if this needs to go down like this let's do it early Sunday morning to cause the least disruption? It is more plausible that someone, or a group of people had an axe to grind and said fuck them, let's do this.

I am not usually a tin foil type of guy, but a simple mistake doesn't cut it for me.

[SamCooke]

36. Gates had to sign off on it, didn't he?

I don't trust the guy. This seems to dumb for Obama to have any thing to do with it.

[HopeOverFear]

38. Local DC news just said that the NYPD knew about it but were told to keep mum

wtf???

[Catchawave]

43. By whom?

:shrug: source/link?

Bloomberg would have never allowed it. It was a dumb, and expensive, photo op that could have easily been photoshopped.

Have you seen the videos of the panic? This is not going away anytime soon :(

[SamCooke]

45. u must be in New York, nobody is really talking about it in California

[Catchawave]

48. I'm in Virginia, my daughter is in NYC

...this family doesn't take low flying planes lightly.

[SamCooke]

41. Bloomberg seemed to take a shot at Obama and the DOD

.......

[Proud Liberal Dem]

47. What's with the spate of "Angry Obama" stories all of the sudden?

:shrug:

[Catchawave]

49. "Witnesses reported seeing a plane...."

Witnesses reported seeing the plane circle over the Upper New York Bay near the Statue of Liberty?

Huh? Where's the brazillion photos and vids showing people in a panic evacuating buildings in NYC and NJ ?

OOpsies. This isn't going away anytime soon, can't we just admit this was stupid?

[vaberella]

57. They did. n/t

[FogerRox]

77. Stoopid yes, But I'm tired of all the over acting

Not everyone in NYC was traumatized by 9-11.

[Baby Snooks]

122. Most were....

And most were terrified yesterday looking at the plane flying low and remembered the last time planes flew that low.

There are people on threads on DU making jokes about it - there really is nothing to joke about. Not for those who were in lower Manhattan on 9/11. Were the same people making jokes on 9/11?

And I'm criticized for criticizing a president who took no action except to offer an apology?

[chill_wind]

79. Video

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Video_Shows_Panic_When_Plane_Buzzes_NYC_New_York.html

[jumptheshadow]

104. That is the stoopid

Why on God's earth would anybody think that flying a low plane over NYC made sense? Did somebody just come up with the idea over a bowl of Lucky Charms or something?

They knew -- they knew -- the panic this would create, because they saw thousands of people run like that during the steam pipe explosion, which most people thought was a bomb at first.

And to make things worse, you do it on a beautiful morning that is so reminiscent of 9/11.

It just boggles the mind.

[Beacool]

117. The timing was also sucky.

The flyover was done about 1 1/2 hrs. later than the time that the first plane hit the North Tower.

It brought back many memories, none of them pleasant.......

:-(

[Beacool]

116. I know that area very well, the video was taken in Jersey City, NJ.

That structure in the background is the Colgate Clock and it faces Manhattan. I work a 5 minute walk from it at Exchange Place. My building got the warning that it was a photo op of Air Force One at the last minute and we didn't evacuate. It's the second tallest bldg. in NJ and it would have taken time to evacuate it in its entirety. (the Goldman Sachs monstrosity on the edge of the Hudson river 2 blocks away is the tallest in the state).

Most of us were in NYC on 9/11 and didn't appreciate the stunt (I was actually in the North Tower that morning). From our windows we could see people running outside. It appears that lots of bldgs. didn't get the warning and evacuated.

The whole thing was callous, insensitive and irresponsible. The person in charge should be dismissed.

:thumbsdown:

[FogerRox]

55. Obama erupts at Caldera...

[targetpractice]

68. Ha! Ha!

Good on you!

[genna]

58. Why waste political capital in this manner?

Especially if you work for Obama and these tortore memos are all the rage?

Authorizing flying a plane in or around Manhattan for anyone in the Obama administration is simple minded, why do it?

I t just doesn't add up.

[Clio the Leo]

61. I have no idea what "furious" looks like on Barack Obama...

.... but I sure would hate to see it!

[NYC_SKP]

64. How about this:

[Clio the Leo]

69. see, even then he's not saying anything....

.... I have a feeling, when he gets mad, he clams up and then walks away from you shaking his head, looking very dissapointed.

A fate worse than death. lol

[NYC_SKP]

70. I know what you mean, you're probably right.

There are people who are always supportive and understanding, and who seem incapable of becoming furious or angry.

I love these types and aspire to be that way.

But nothing hurts more than when they do just as you describe.

Like a shaking of the head in disappointment can break your heart.

Know what I mean?

[Name removed]

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[hijinx87]

85. it was a screw up

that happens when you you have the presidency.

but your response was waaaaay over the top.

[Tarheel_Dem]

86. I think you should re-read post #71, and then tell us all about "over the top".

Not only did the poster take a swipe at the President, but he went after his wife as well. Totally uncalled for, and very disrepectful.

[FrenchieCat]

102. How's that? Did you read what poster wrote?

Mr. Obama is forever Mr. Obama to me. Not a president at all. Not to me.

Far as I'm concerned, that poster no longer exists for me.

[Baby Snooks]

121. Sorry...

Sorry but President Obama promised change. Mr. Obama has only offered the same old, same old. Including photo-ops. Which shouldn't be a priority at the moment. But apparently are.

[chill_wind]

74. Maybe he will. n/t

[ginnyinWI]

75. Why would someone set up a straw man and then get mad

at it? Why jump to conclusions based on fragments of information and a lot of assumptions?

[JeffR]

76. That's really sort of pitiful.

Actually, it's amazingly pitiful.

[empyreanisles]

78. Whooa, back up for a moment.

No doubt this is a complete embarrassment, but laying all this at the foot of the President sounds like something a right winger would do. Sure, it's his decision now about what to do with the guy (Caldera), but why not give him at least 24 hours to figure this out, huh?

Talk about jumping the gun.

[rufus dog]

82. snooks babe, you have a right to be pissed off,

But use some logic, why the fuck would Obama authorize something like this, it was fucking idiotic and he ain't an idiot. Mr. Caldera knows something or is the just a plain stupid. Now I don't know many stupid people who get law degrees and become president of a University. So an immediate firing may make you feel good for a short time, you don't find out what Caldera knows though.

[babylonsister]

87. OK. You have used your "pissed-off factor" . Good. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

88. It is shameful that this post is allowed to stand. You've not only accused

the president of something nefarious, but you took a gratuitous swipe at his wife, just to signal how much you hate this family. The rules state that you may employ constructive criticism, but I'm damned if I can find any rational critique in your bile laden post.

I hope the mods are watching.

[CakeGrrl]

89. Guess we'll smell ya later, then

If "Mr. Obama" is "forever" "not a president at all" to you, then you're making yourself clear that you're not supporting our Democratic president...kind of the reason you'd be in this forum, much less the board.

It's interesting which triggers will cause people to 'out' themselves as not really (ever) supporting the President.

[SamCooke]

93. What do u mean he isn't the President?

Thats just dumb

[Overseas]

80. I can well imagine !

I'm sure he would accept that guy's resignation.

And seek a means to ensure that such foolishness is minimized, whereby one of his officials can traumatize the public in such a callous manner.

Was Caldera a Cheney leave-behind?

[rufus dog]

83. No he was appointed in December by Obama

Secretary of Army under Clinton.

This absolutely defies all logic.

[Overseas]

84. Not a leave behind then. But definitely a dimwit.

Time will tell. You're right that the whole incident defies logic.

[Pachamama]

90. Guess none of those people have ever heard of Photoshop?

Imagine how much fuel and effort could have been spared from what they did in this stupid act for a "photo op". All they needed to have done was take stock photos/past photos of Air Force one and put "national monuments" behind them....

The idiot boy who decided to fund and okay this stupid stunt that wasted money and needlessly scared and brought back bad memories for people still suffering from memories/nightmares of 9/11 - should be FIRED!!!! (and forced to take a photoshop class).

[SamCooke]

91. Here's the Mt. Rushmore photo of AF1

looks cool, all of the trouble the new caused, I want to see the picture they came up with.

[cboy4]

95. I've seen this shot before. Has Mt. Rushmore changed

recently? :eyes:

[SamCooke]

97. Some people may not have seen it

Its a cool pic, but they could've got a great pic of the things just flying over the Atlantic. It just sounds dumb. They wanted to take pics of a governement plane flying thru NY. That makes no sense. I blame Bob Gates. I know he knew about this.

[cboy4]

98. I know. But my point is there's no reason to take a new

photograph of a 747, painted in those colors and writing unless Mt. Rushmore has changed somehow, or the type of aircraft or livery has changed.

Neither has, which makes it all the more ridiculous and wasteful.

[SamCooke]

99. Just saw Shumber blame the FAA and the Bush appointee

That works for me.

[cboy4]

100. No that's not enough. Someone's head should roll.

Have you seen the video of the panic this photo opportunity caused?

[SamCooke]

101. I agree, I had no clue people were that scared until I saw a clip on the News

The Bush Appointee apparently will be changed. Bob Gates had to know too though. I'm sure he's notified every time a fighter Jet and a Presidential plane leaves the runway. I wouldn't think they would ask Obama unless the Fighter Jet was dropping a bomb somewhere. I doubt they tell him every time one of those Presidential Planes are moved. I imagine they test fly them all the time before he gets on it. I refuse to believe Obama signed off on this. The stupidity of this stunt is just too much to believe a man of Obama intellect would agree to this. And on Monday? Why not sunday?

[cboy4]

103. I agree with everything you said. I too absolutely don't believe

Obama signed off on this.

He's seems far too intelligent to approve something a child could figure out would be highly inappropriate so close to Ground Zero.

[SamCooke]

92. Here's the Mt. Rushmore photo of AF1

looks cool, all of the trouble the new caused, I want to see the picture they came up with.

[agentS]

105. See, this is why I think the Photo-op is BS.

It seems like a lot of hassle for a photo. My tinfoil hat is coming on!
:tinfoilhat:

I think it's a test drive of how quick people would react if a plane appeared under 2000ft in NYC airspace.

It could also be a setup by this Bush appointee to give President Obama a hard time.

[cboy4]

94. Being furious is good but it's not going to cut it.

He needs to do something Bush couldn't do, and that's fire people who fuck up.

It's unforgivable someone actually signed off on flying a 747 15-hundred feet over the Hudson, being chased by fighter jets.

Unbelievable.

[yy4me]

107. To those of you who think the President knew about this, why in

heck would he approve? There is no political gain, nothing positive to be gleaned from this stupid move. The President has enough on his plate to have to cope with backlash from this. Any sane person would know that the American people would think this was a stupid, expensive thing to do.

Then there is always Photoshop. No-one in the DOD thought about that option?
Why in heck does the DOD need pictures like this anyway?

[bklyncowgirl]

108. He should be and the guy in charge of this should be fired.

This was a stupid stunt that terrified people for no good reason.

[Are_grits_groceries]

113. Mr. Caldera has an appropriate name.

Caldera: A large crater formed by volcanic explosion or by collapse of a volcanic cone.

He was called into a meeting with Rahm and somebody else. I'm sure he now has a choice of orifices with which to perform his bodily functions. You may also see him on milk cartons.

[Beacool]

118. It also means cauldron in Spanish.

;-)

[AngryAmish]

114. Fine, be furious. Do something: Fire some people

or worse.