Judging by Jon Stewart, Cenk Uygur, and Rachel Maddow last night...

[Fearless]

I am so glad that we're actually making a concerted effort to keep this Democratic president accountable for his actions in just the same way that we kept the Bush Administration on its toes.

K&R to Jon Stewart, Cenk Uygur, and Rachel Maddow!


------------------------------------------


Jon Stewart last night: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=228041&title=american-idealogues

Cenk Uygur yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8rZr5LN6Q

Rachel Maddow last night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuWVHT1WUY

[Hell Hath No Fury]

1. Absolutely!

This is no time to roll over for a tummy rub by O -- he has to be held as accountable by us as George W. Bush was for 8 years.

Anything less is unacceptable.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

28. "tummy rub by O"???

:crazy:
Is that supposed to be the latest swipe at people who don't quite share some people's alarmist views on Obama?


"he has to be held as accountable by us as George W. Bush was for 8 years."

:rofl: I mean, :rofl:

Seriously though, I agree with you that we need to hold him (and all future Presidents) accountable for their actions but don't expect everybody to "stroke out" about EVERYTHING that he does that some people may not agree with.

[Reterr]

34. Oh get over it

Its like if anyone around here says anything about Obama that isn't uber respectful and reverential every single time, some people here get their panties in a bunch (and I am not talking about calling him an asshole/liar etc.-I agree that is over the top). But in general people don't have to sound reverential to the nth degree every time they talk about the guy.

What the hell is the big deal about someone saying "tummy rub by O".
He is a politician-some days he is ok, some days he is fucking annoying. People can be Dems and not fall over themselves with pride and reverence every time they talk about him.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

37. Oh, I'm not offended by it

It just seemed like kind of a funny/weird thing to say. Well, I guess I'll make sure that I "roll over and get my tummy rub from O" and "fall over with pride and reverance" everytime I talk about him.
Obama=God All hail President Obama!!!!!
:eyes:

[TheWraith]

40. No, it's the screaming, fact-free psychosis that people object to.

"isn't uber respectful and reverential every single time"

Bullshit. It's not about "reverence," or even criticism. It's that a whole hell of a lot of DUers have simply gone rabid to try and find something that they can smear and hate Obama over, whether it has any basis in reality or not, to the point of COMPLETELY making shit up.

[Dawgs]

2. What happened? Did one of Rachel's predictions finally come true?

Does Cenk still think the world is going to end because Obama has fixed everything yet?

:shrug:

[jgraz]

3. No, just a few citizens engaging in participatory democracy

You might want to try it sometime.

[Phx_Dem]

9. It sounds more like bitching because he hasn't done everything

everyone wants in the first 100 days.

[jgraz]

10. Try taking your fingers out of your ears. It might help.

Obama made an active policy proposal and someone criticized it. Care to explain how that is "bitching because he hasn't done everything everyone wants in the first 100 days"?

[Fearless]

14. Part of the if you're not with us, you're against us agenda.

A terrible plight to democracy it is too.

[jgraz]

15. I honestly don't understand it

With so much worthless, hateful blather from the right, we should welcome a thoughtful progressive critique of a particular presidential decision.

[redqueen]

17. ...

[Sebastian Doyle]

4. And Mike Malloy

He spent the entire first hour of his show ripping the DICK to shreds. After that it was about the President's speech, and this ridiculous idea of "preemptive detention" or whatever they're calling it.

[progressoid]

5. Those three are just spouting RW talking points.

edit: I suppose I should add this :sarcasm:

[jgraz]

8. Sadly, the sarcasm tag is necessary

Too many DUers hold this view sincerely. :banghead:

[monmouth]

6. I lasted a whole 45 seconds with Rachel. That's a record for me....n/t

[jgraz]

11. Viewpoints other than one's own can be so taxing, can't they?

:eyes:

[monmouth]

12. At times yes, especially yours....n/t

[jgraz]

13. High praise, coming from you.

Thanks. :hi:

[slay]

19. LOL

Very nice jgraz - don't play their hate game. Great way to handle that. Bravo. :applause:

[WhiteTara]

27. you have an interesting signature line

underneath your attacks on others.

[Mira]

7. K&R

[Clio the Leo]

16. Oh, you mean Rachel's new tactic of taking clips out of context and...

..... using metaphors that are in no way accurate?

Oh yeah ... that's wonderful. :sarcasm:

I LOVE the fact that she disagrees with the President and isn't afraid to say so .... HOW she's doing it is BS.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8424595&mesg_id=8424595

[jillan]

22. Amazing, isn't it...she totally forgot the part where Obama said IF AND WHEN...

Not impressed by people that cherry pick information to make a point - on either side of the political spectrum.

[slay]

18. Rachel was awesome. Haven't seen Cenk yet but he's usually right on too

Cenk and Daily Show are next on my list to watch. Thanks for the links Fearless! Disregard the haters (or Obama cheerleaders which I refer to them as) you are spot on about how we must try and keep whoever is president honest and doing the right thing, regardless of whether that person has a (D) or an (R) in front of their name. All of us want Obama to do well, but we should never be afraid to speak our mind when we think he's going down a wrong path. He's a big boy - hell he's President - I think he can take it. :D

[EquallyExhausted]

20. i watched the daily show last night

and regarding the segment on Obama's gitmo speech: how is taking basic phrases that would be uttered in a national security speech by pretty much any American president of the last 50 years, presenting the shocking revelation that both Obama and Bush have used them, and thus concluding that the message of Obama's speech was the same as Bush's on gitmo, an awesome effort at holding the Obama administration accountable? OMG they both said that the first and last thing they think about in the morning and at night is keeping America safe, and that they want to defeat terrorist networks?!? The similarity is shocking indeed.

[Fearless]

21. The content of your argument is not the content of mine...

The fact is that whether or not you agree, he is keeping Obama's feet to the fire where they need to be for democracy to flourish.

[EquallyExhausted]

23. i guess i disagree that

making a simplistic and disingenuous argument constitutes holding anyone's feet to the fire. Stewart might do a good job of holding people's feet to the fire otherwise, but that wasn't it. His most substantive points last night were about Cheney, if he'd made an equally sound argument about Obama's speech it would have been great.

[Fearless]

25. If you say so.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

33. It's amazing how a lot of people lately are acting as though Obama=Bush

O.k., I have an issue with the whole "preventative detentions"- that DOES seem kind of Bushian and I hope he figures out a better way to handle cases for which that may be considered but I have little doubt that he and his administration are trying to figure something different out. Obama IS, contrary to Bushco, intent on closing down Gitmo, even in the face of strident opposition of some NIMBY Dems in Congress. I was kind of concerned that he might cave after the Dems showed him up by denying funds for closing Gitmo, but, no, he RE-AFFIRMED his commitment to closing Gitmo and I have little doubt that he will follow through with that by next January. He is exhibiting moral and political courage that some of his fellow Dems like Reid can only dream of and neither Bush nor Cheney could ever touch his integrity and level of respect for the Constitution with a ten-foot pole.

[jenmito]

24. Stewart did nothing but show both Obama and Bush saying the same harmless phrases. It's like both

of them using the phrase "God Bless America." And if you watched the whole show, he also praised Obama for the parts of his speech where he talked about the need to follow the Constitution, etc.

And Maddow is one-note Rachel lately, mischaracterizing everything Obama or Gibbs says.

[Fearless]

26. Out of curiousity... what three biggest things to you disagree with Obama on?

[jenmito]

29. You want me to prove to you I'm not a "blind follower of 'the Messiah'"?

OK-I disagree with him on not stopping firings of gay people from the military while the ending of DADT is being worked out, that he doesn't support/praise the states that chose to allow gay marriage, and, um, that he hasn't achieved world peace yet? I guess I can only give you two. The third, of course, is a joke.

[Fearless]

30. I wasn't looking to see if you were a blind follower, rather....

To see if you were interested in intelligent debate. You've convinced me you're not.

Cheers.

Fearless.

[jenmito]

32. I gave you examples...

I answered you. Did you think I wouldn't HAVE any disagreements with him? My opening comment was the reverse of what I get all the time when I ask posters if they support Obama. "So you want me to take a loyalty pledge?"

[flyarm]

31. Does Obama have a new order in for new busses?? All his other busses are overcrowded now!

and Psssssssssstt..to those new to the busses..Rear for winter( warm there) ..front for summer..please bring deodorant for summer months..the others will thank you for your consideration!!

No room for pillows and blankets..so please leave those at your old residence, it is getting increasingly overcrowded under the existing busses.

You will thank me for that little bit of info!!:woohoo:

[livefreest]

35. yeah!actually i don't think we're making enough noise. we need to bombard

MSM talking heads with emails demanding them to investigate and not just repeat whatever any politician says, like "where will these terrorists go if we close guantanamo?, "does torture work?",ect...

[Reterr]

36. Good for them

Jon Stewart in particular is nobody's stooge and he is going to make fun of and deride Obama just as much as he did Bush if Obama's policies suck.
The whole "Bush left me this mess." is only going to tide him pover for so long and with so many people.
And a significant chunk of younger people actually care about what Stewart says. Obama can count on no one but a bunch of sweet but naive older people like my mother in law who will say "Somehow he fills me with so much confidence. He has a secret plan I feel. His speeches sound so nice." if he continues to disappoint his base. I want more from a Dem leader than that they are better than perfectly insane people like Palin and Bush...

It works out so well for some of these party loyalist morons to just say "Oh so you like Bush and Palin."
No you complete morons, but I also don't want someone who is marginally better than Bush. "Oh but what other option is there?"

I don't know...maybe while the Dems have significant majorities let them know how you actually feel about a lot of their lousy fucking policies. I swear the DLC/"pragmatist" Dems are some of the biggest fucking morons one has on the nominal left. I actually don't think the DLC Dems are bad people.
I think one of the biggest fallacies about DLC type Dems out there is that they are cold/bad people/heartless etc.
They generally don't seem very bright, but I do think most of them do mean well. But dear God, talking to them is often like talking to slightly brighter strain of Freeper.

[Kablooie]

38. Did the Bush administration have toes?

[Senator]

39. K&R

[lostnotforgotten]

41. Mr. "O" Grows Some Critics, Finally!

eom