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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 12:58 PM
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The Sotomayor Statement re: Experience White Men v Latina Women. In Context.
So it looks like we'll be hearing a lot about this statement made by Sonya Sotomayor, taken out of context.

"...I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

I'm posting the statement in context so that all who read will be best armed to understand the issue and to refute it as needed.

The following is an excerpt of the text of the Judge Mario G. Olmos Memorial Lecture in 2001, delivered at the University of California, Berkeley, School of Law, by appeals court judge Sonia Sotomayor.



"...In our private conversations, Judge Cedarbaum has pointed out to me that seminal decisions in race and sex discrimination cases have come from Supreme Courts composed exclusively of white males. I agree that this is significant but I also choose to emphasize that the people who argued those cases before the Supreme Court which changed the legal landscape ultimately were largely people of color and women. I recall that Justice Thurgood Marshall, Judge Connie Baker Motley, the first black woman appointed to the federal bench, and others of the NAACP argued Brown v. Board of Education. Similarly, Justice Ginsburg, with other women attorneys, was instrumental in advocating and convincing the Court that equality of work required equality in terms and conditions of employment.

Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. Justice O'Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases. I am not so sure Justice O'Connor is the author of that line since Professor Resnik attributes that line to Supreme Court Justice Coyle. I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.

Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown."


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15judge.text.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

See also:

http://mediamatters.org/research/200905260050

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:01 PM
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1. Wow. 1972. But think about it. Women couldn't even serve on juries in NYState until the '60s. nt
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:01 PM
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6. Whoa...
I'd missed that part and never knew about women not allowed on juries until the sixties.

I guess, as much as we have far to go, we've come pretty far.

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:04 PM
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2. Typical liberal - nuanced thoughtful insightful reasoned complex argument that can't be soundbited.
One of the things that sets us apart from the animals of the conservative side.

Not that they don't still soundbite us, and they do damning things with it because too many people HATE reasoned complex arguments that take paragraphs to make, and so they believe the soundbites, no matter how out of context or edited they are.

But at least we know we're right. :7

I really like her.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:10 PM
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4. I really like her, too!
Damn, I'm enjoying how frantic and desperate Rush, et al, have become. :P
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 03:58 PM
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5. Exactly. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:06 PM
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3. White men usually tout their 'experience' as a business owner or CEO, mindless that for many years
Edited on Wed May-27-09 01:06 PM by blm
there was no way for a minority and/or a white woman to own a business or be considered for a job at the top of the corporate ladder.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:27 PM
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7. An exceptionally well reasoned statement...
the only way it can been seen negatively is when one chops out the rationale, thereby losing any sense at all of what this individual was talking about.

I like this woman. She is remarkably intelligent, very experienced and sane...on the other hand, Clarence Thomas, the exact opposite ,is one of the heroes of the RW...go figure...:hi:
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:38 PM
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8. Thanks for this post. n/t
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