I swear some people here are dense...

[scheming daemons]

Of course Robert Gibbs is going to say "we WANT a bipartisan bill."

Of course that is what they WANT.



In order to make it clear to the American people that the GOP is negotiating in bad faith, the White House of course has to keep saying that they want bipartisanship.... and that, regrettably, it takes two to tango and other than Tom Delay, Republicans are refusing to be dance partners.


People making posts that say the White House is "backtracking" on going it alone, or "walking back" the report that they are going it alone, are such one-dimensional thinkers that it is amazing they can get themselves dressed in the morning.


To win the PR battle, the White House has to make it clear that the GOP is standing in the way of bipartisanship, not the Democratic party.


So... yes... the White House WANTS bipartisanship... but realizes, reluctantly, that they aren't going to get it. So.. "with regrets"... they will go it alone.


Please try to think on a little higher plane.

[katandmoon]

1. Yes, they will cave in ALONE to the health insurance industry.

[SunsetDreams]

3. okay Nostradamus.

[NoSheep]

15. LOL!

:rofl:

[katandmoon]

18. If I'm Nostradamus then who is the OP, who speaks so knowledgeably of WH inner workings?

[SunsetDreams]

20. a realist.

[Cha]

4. A Defeatist!

[katandmoon]

19. No, a realist who's been following the Obama administration's inability to get their story straight

[Cha]

22. Nah, you should out from under that

thunder cloud.

[dflprincess]

5. It's not so much that they'll cave

they'll just have to follow their corporate masters' instructions without being able to us the Republicans for cover.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

34. *facepalm* (nt)

[CakeGrrl]

2. I don't know why it's so difficult to get

But for those who freak out almost daily at every WH statement reported in the MSM, hopefully they have some anti-anxiety meds or relaxation techniques.

It's like watching people stress out over daily stock market fluctuations.

:crazy:

[scheming daemons]

7. Either some people are incredibly stupid, or they are intentionally pretending to be

[Whisp]

25. they are pretending to be incredibly stupid

when they are really just average bear stupid,
or plants or hungover sore losers.

[FrenchieCat]

13. That's the problem with instant analysis from those who have no clue.....

on the one hand, they want a President that plays politics as brilliantly as possible,
and ends up giving us what we want,
yet on the other hand,
they won't allow him to play the politics that allows him to get there,
and they'd rather he announces each and every move he is making and why,
and same folks are always there to criticize those every move,
even if the moves are ones based on a long term strategy to get to where we want to go. :crazy:

When one adds the bloggers to the media, Obama is prematurely analyzed to be damned whatever he does.

[Demit]

23. Maybe people who are squawking are playing *their* part in the politics of the situation

—as a citizenry who is letting the president know what their reaction is to what he says. Maybe he even is sending up trial balloons to see what people's reaction is.

This isn't a tennis match, where we all sit politely on the sidelines and watch the participants play their game between themselves. We're participants too.


You better believe if there's something about Obama I think should be criticized, I will. Whether you think I 'have a clue' or not.

[ElboRuum]

30. It isn't that they have no clue...

It's that they're just typical. Taking it down several pegs from national politics where the actual temperament you refer to can be obfuscated and lost in the haze of what is and isn't possible, a more simple and local example exists.

These are the same people who get furious about how their roads are turning into gravel, but also get furious when their taxes get spent to fix them, then complain about how this or that person allowed that money to be spent, then vote against that person for a person who has pledged not to be a "spendthrift", then all of a sudden the roads don't get fixed anymore... lather, rinse, repeat.

This sort of temperament is the typical idea that you can get things without sacrificing and playing the game, when politics really is all about playing the game. Nothing gets passed without concession, nothing gets done without compromise. It. Is. A. Fact. This temperament will whine about how the game is not being played "correctly" from their point of view, which, to me, makes me understand that most don't even know how the game is played. Their charge? The game is flawed, so we should try to make a new game which follows their perception of how things should work, one less corrupt from their point of view, one in which the bold and brash get their way and compromise is for losers.

I wonder how many of them realize that for eight years under Bush this was precisely the sort of changed game they asked for, only it wasn't THEIR guy sitting in the driver's seat. Sometimes, I get the feeling that they seem to think that this is OK, you just have to get YOUR guy in place. I genuinely PREFER a system where compromise exists, and while it may annoy the most right or left of us because they're not getting what they want, exactly as they want, and/or as quickly what they want on the terms that they want, this system works insofar as it does not permit the sort of demagoguery we endured under Bush. I have conviction that demagoguery, no matter where it comes from, right or left, is anathema to our way of governance because it marginalizes the minority view, and as we know from our history, everyone takes their turn at being the minority view at one point or another. When you support demagoguery in times of feast, you are in no position to retract that support in times of famine. The only thing you can do as a minority view holder in a demagogic culture is slink under a rock and come out when the winds are favorable again.

I'm not about to piss away the gains we have the potential to make because some of us just want to ram through legislation by brute force of numbers, with not a word of debate, nor even a scintilla of an attempt at compromise or bipartisanship, thereby introducing the country to the left's version of demagoguery. I'm often surprised at how most people don't understand that the Bush/Cheney way was the WRONG way, not because it was the RW doing it, but because it was ANYONE doing it.

[phantom power]

6. I'd prefer a lower plane of thinking that includes more clarity...

For instance, if the Dems want to make it clear that the GOP is standing in the way of bipartisanship, actually getting in front of a microphone and a camera and saying the words:

"The GOP is standing in the way of our efforts at bipartisanship"

would be a good start.



And actually, I would prefer even more a complete moratorium on worrying about "bipartisanship." The clear message I'd really like to see is:

"The GOP and the private insurance companies are standing in the way of health care for all Americans. Why does the GOP hate America?"

There's some one-dimensional clarity I'd like to see.

[scheming daemons]

10. That's the way Bush thinks/thought

Your first statement *IS* being said... by Democrats all over the place.

But not from the White House, because the White House has to look like it wants to work with everyone.

[phantom power]

17. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

The Dems should emulate Republican tactics. The chief difference is that we can do it and tell the truth. The Republicans aren't bad because of the tactics they use. They're bad because they use them while lying to sell bad policy.

The GOP does hate America. The private insurance industry is our enemy.

The Dems should emulate Republican tactics.

[shraby]

27. It's much better when the GOP is allowed to get in front of the

microphone themselves and say they are obstructing bipartisanship. Which they just did a day or so ago.

[VMI Dem]

8. Maybe the people you think are dense are playing chess at a level beyond your understanding.

[scheming daemons]

11. LOL.... gotta admit, that's a good one....

;-)

[SunsetDreams]

14. ....

:think:

:silly:

:rofl:

[Bonobo]

26. Now THAT is a zinger. nt

[Ikonoklast]

35. About this level, maybe.

[Bluerthanblue]

9. well....

it could be said that the 8yrs of bush has had some long lasting effects-

Maybe it's taking some extra time to re-adjust?


The logic is pretty basic and rational. We aren't used to that? :evilgrin:


rec'd.

[countingbluecars]

12. If you look for the negative

I suppose you can find it in just about anything that is said.

[Cha]

16. I'm just thankful that there are those who do

see what's going on around here..I don't like all that yo yo up and down crap. It's been a steady course since Pres Obama took office if one understands what all the current administration was handed by the death march of bushxcheney.

[Peacetrain]

21. And sometimes we sit in utter amazement at people on the other side

so caught up in their politics, that Barney Frank read to them in the bill being considered, exactly the opposite of what they were protesting. (In this case it was illegal aliens having access to free health care from the gov.)

People are either incredibly stupid.. or just jackass stubborn and refuse to look at things clearly. In other words, they prefer it being messed up..

Go figure

[Bonobo]

24. Precisely so. nt

[jenmito]

28. K&R. Sorry I didn't see this thread when I started a very similar one just now!

You're so right!

[Adelante]

29. I agree

You'd think this is a tiddlywinks board instead of a politics board.

[Clio the Leo]

31. Nailed it.

I'm afraid those who are needing a nice tidy answer from the White House are going to have a long couple of months.

You have a 30 year veteran of the Senate, the ascendant Speaker of the House and one of the most brilliant political minds in American history ..... all within about 100 feet of one another in the Oval Office.

Y'all will forgive me for having a little bit of faith in the fact that they know what in the heck they're doing.

[Ganja Ninja]

Keep hope alive.

Dream on.

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[OneBlueSky]

36. as my mama always said . . . "Everybody's an asshole to someone." . . . n/t

.

[Phx_Dem]

37. To all the dense people, DUH! Think, people think.

It's mindbloggling how many people actually think you should announce your strategy when you're trying to win a battle.

[alcibiades_mystery]

38. They parse prefer as "doesn't want" and "wants" as "absolutely will not stand for anything else"

Don't ask for consistency among Chicken Littles, trolls, and haters.

Everything is negative.