How 9/11 Conspiracy Poison Did in Van Jones

[SpartanDem]

As far as I can tell, the only thing the so-called 9/11 Truth movement has accomplished is this: it's caused the Obama administration to lose its most prominent expert on green jobs. So well done, Truthers. Thanks to you, the federal government will now be spending about $80 billion on green economy initiatives without the guiding hand of one of the most knowledgeable experts in this field.

I am, of course, referring to Van Jones, who resigned this weekend from his position as adviser to the head of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality. Jones, once a civil rights activist, in recent years has become a leader in the green jobs movement, and as an administration official he was given the task of making sure that billions of stimulus dollars flowing to jobs in enviro-friendly fields (say, wind power) were being deployed in an effective manner. But his (apparently) unpardonable sin was that he had signed a petition--"a "9/11 Truth Statement"--that suggested the Bush-Cheney administration either orchestrated or allowed the 9/11 attack to happen and that called for an investigation. He also had been part of an organizing committee for a 9/11 "truth" march. There were other actions dredged up by Jones' conservative antagonists, including conspiratorial rightwing Fox host Glenn Beck. (Beck was pursuing a vendetta; after Beck recently called Obama a "racist," a group that Jones had founded launched an advertising boycott of Beck's show.) Jones had once referred to Republicans as "assholes." But it was the 9/11 stuff that did him in.

In a way, I tried to prevent this from happening.

Years ago, when the 9/11 conspiracy theories were first emerging on the left, I wrote several pieces decrying them. (See here, here, and here.) My fear was that this unsound idea would infect the left and other quarters--discrediting anyone who got close to it. I even debunked a book promoting an unfounded 9/11 conspiracy theory that was published by Nation Books when I was Washington editor of The Nation magazine. (I tried to persuade the decision-makers of Nation Books that the book ought not even be published--and failed.)

The 9/11 conspiracy theory was just too tempting for many Bush critics. Van Jones says he was not fully aware of what he was signing when he put his John Hancock on that 9/11 petition. This might be true. But I can see how Jones and others on the left--without thinking too much--might have easily said, sure, sign my name to any call for any investigation of Bush and Cheney. And that sloppiness--if that's what it was--has cost him his job.


http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/09/07/how-9-11-conspiracy-poison-did-in-van-jones/

[John Q. Citizen]

1. If we could just get an investigation of 9/11 it would be a start. What other major crime just gets

ignored?

Senator Max Cleland resigned in disgust from the 9/11 commission calling it "compromised."

I guess the author in the OP tried to save him too?

[Art_from_Ark]

3. I still can't get over bu$h's behavior in the classroom

on 9/11 or his remarks about watching the first plane hit the North Tower live on a TV which was "obviously on" in the hallway of the school (note: The first attack happened while he was in his limo, and not yet at the school (and not on live broadcast TV, either), while the second attack occurred while he was in the classroom). Or his stupid jokes about "hitting the trifecta" and "that was one lousy pilot" and how that day was such a wonderful one for him and Laura. Or how he stonewalled having a commission for such a long time, and when it was finally formed, how he insisted on picking its members. And then how he insisted on appearing in a closed session of the commission with Cheney holding his hand the entire time and not having to testify under oath, even in front of a friendly audience.

[John Q. Citizen]

4. All I know is we aren't being told the whole truth. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark,

so to speak.

[Art_from_Ark]

7. I agree wholeheartedly

There is definitely a "fishy" smell in "Denmark".

[Cheap_Trick]

12. Shhhh...don't ask questions.

You'll be ridiculed and sent to the DUngeon.

Even though Bushco gained so goddamn much because of 9/11, naahhh no motive there.

Even though Bush was the most incompetent president we've ever had and probably ever will (barring that half-baked Alaskan stealing the gig), the agencies that should have protected us that day surely were not run by incompetents. But somehow, 19 guys not only hijacked airliners with box cutters also managed to COMPLETELY make our entire air defense STAND DOWN during the most critical hours of that day. They roamed the skies for up to 2 hours or more without a challenge from the air force, EVEN THOUGH IT'S S.O.P. to intercept ANY suspicious movements by airplanes. Payne Stewart is the prime example of that. EVERY time before 9/11 and EVERY time since, that's the way it's been. Except of course for the ONE DAY IT MATTERED THE MOST. Nothing fishy about that. And somehow, the boxcutter bandits also managed to evade the FBI, CIA, NSA and a myriad of other agencies. Not one fucking whisper? Not one clue? (we won't mention the Aug. 6 security memo). Man, those guys should have planned the Bay of Pigs. Motherfucker would have gone off like clockwork.

Either those terrorists were the luckiest bastards ever to walk the earth, or someone held the door open for them.

[Bolo Boffin]

10. 9/11 has been investigated.

1,500 people who worked the flight 93 crash scene
40,000 people who worked the piles at Ground Zero
55 FBI Evidence Response Teams at Fresh Kills in New York
7,000+ FBI Agents
8,000+ people who worked the scene at the Pentagon
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Isn't that enough for you?

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[John Q. Citizen]

13. i didn't realize the American Red Cross did crime investigations. Who knew?

If you don't believe Max Cleland, well you don't have to.

I do.

I also wonder why people who run heroin are allowed to administer airports in Florida. Why is that?

[Bolo Boffin]

17. They participated in this one.

Three huge disaster scenes. They were there. The volunteers and staff people provided information when it was relevant.

Where did I say I didn't believe Max Cleland? I'm not the one turning his resignation over a very specific reason into a blanket condemnation of all 9/11 investigations at all times.

Sounds like nice work for heroin runners if they can get it.

[John Q. Citizen]

23. I think you are confusing witnesses with investigators. They aren't the same thing and they perform

distinct rolls, so you might want to remove them from your list. I noticed some other groups and people on your list who are also not qualified as crime investigators.

You might want to remove them as well. Expert witnesses, for instance aren't investigators, they are witnesses.

[Bolo Boffin]

24. They all participated in investigations. It is from all this sources that the "official story"

has come.

The kid stays in the picture.

[jberryhill]

2. IBTL

[greyl]

5. Actually, this is a dupe of a thread still active in GD:

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6483656

Meaning, it might not be locked.

[Window]

6. Jones knew what he was signing. n/t

[evlbstrd]

8. Bullshit.

He was made the object of a witch hunt because of his voluntary involvement in the questions surrounding 9/11. Nobody forced him to do it.
LIHOP or MIHOP? I don't know. I agree that there should be a real investigation.
The man is responsible for his own actions.
He should not have resigned.

[Turborama]

11. He was made the object of a witch hunt because "big oil" saw him as a threat.

They got lucky with the 9/11 thing.

[OHdem10]

9. The GOP has had a bee in their bonnet over the Czars period.

You better believe they have been doing a lot of digging.
Jones had some things in his background that raised their
hackles. Communist, and a "radical". Then he made
the mistakes. This gives them the opening and they
are going through it like a Mack Truck".

One House Member from Ga. Is trying to get movement on'
"Stop the Pay to Czars until all 30 are vetted by the
Congress.

Watch this thing grow.

[zulchzulu]

14. The day physics took a vacation...

I'd really like to see real proof on how the Twin Towers imploded at free fall speed and the evidence all points to how it was a controlled explosive implosion. Yes, physics took the day off. Apparently...

Despite what some say, there has not been a reasonable investigation of 9/11. Anyone who has looked that the woefully weak "investigation" would see that.

Also, it's not as though green jobs are not going to happen because one guy got canned for dubious reasons. Anyone who thinks that is true simply doesn't understand how things get done.

[msallied]

19. I agree completely

Never mind the fact that WTC 7 also fell into its own footprint, even though it didn't even sustain a direct hit. And let's not even get into all of the inconsistencies about the Pentagon attack, and the fact that it can easily be demonstrated that the five frames of security footage released by the government was doctored and actually show us nothing.

[Cha]

20. Yeah, I think this Sucks Big Time that Van Jones had

to "resign" because of this shit.

[ensho]

15. he is probably on the neo con's hit list for saying 9/11 out loud

nt

[Phx_Dem]

16. Blaming the truthers is like blaming the birthers for the downfall

of a crazy Army Captain who signed on with the lunatic fringe.

Van Jones is far too well-educated and well-respected to use the "I didn't know what I was signing" excuse. If true, he should have known. Either way, his fault.

[msallied]

18. You're blaming Truthers for this? What absolute NONSENSE.

You need to get your head on straight here. Nice to see so-called Democrats happily remove their critical thinking caps every time the subject turns to the GAPING HOLES in 9/11. Those who were willing to doubt every word that came out of the Bush Admin's mouth but then give them a free pass on their explanation of greatest catastrophe on American soil since Pearl Harbor, one in which they've already proven to be liars.

[grantcart]

21. They way you have presented this people will think that you are the author instead of D Corn

[CrawlingChaos]

22. ABSURD article!

David Corn actually argues that questioning 9/11 is "silly" because the Bush/Cheney cabal was neither "evil enough" nor "ballsy enough".

Words fail me.