Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Bush Buster: 'Devastating' UK Secret Papers Reveal the truth

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:18 AM
Original message
Bush Buster: 'Devastating' UK Secret Papers Reveal the truth
Papers marked “Secret and Personal” detail warnings from the Foreign Office to prime minister Blair were leaked to The Daily Telegraph.

Warnings about the motive, the political cost, the dubious legality and the lack of a long-term goal abound. The secret papers warn of the dangers of successive military coups in Iraq after Saddam is toppled and said ousting Saddam was seen as “unfinished business” from the Gulf War of 1991.

"I think there is a real risk that the Administration underestimates the difficulties. They may agree that failure isn't an option, but this does not mean that they will avoid it."

Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Sir Menzies Campbell said: “If these documents are accurate they provide a devastating insight into the political run up to war in Iraq.

The article in the Telepgraph must be read in it's entirety to fully appreciate the quagmire b*$h has created and to think ... he's only just begun.

-------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/18/nwar118.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/09/18/ixnewstop.html

By Michael Smith
(Filed: 18/09/2004)

The Prime Minister knew the US President was determined to complete what one senior British official had already described as the unfinished business from his father's war against Saddam Hussein.

There was no way of stopping the Americans invading Iraq and they would expect Britain, their most loyal ally, to join them. If they didn't, the transatlantic relationship would be in tatters. But there were serious problems.

more ...
-------------------------------------------------------------

And when you are done reading don't forget to send a thank you note to Tony Blair for aiding and abetting the war criminal b*$h http://www.thankyoutony.com/thanktony.php3


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:20 AM
Response to Original message
1. LOL Blair is hedging his bets... n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:26 AM
Response to Original message
2. Do you think this will ever be discussed in our media?
Somehow, I don't think it will make the news outlets here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. It usually takes 5 to 10 days for the US media
and its already started. When Kofi's Anan declared yesterday that the Iraq war was "illegal" he fired the opening round.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:59 AM
Response to Reply #5
13. Sep 19 Blair advisers warned of Iraq chaos - Toronto Star
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1095545411641&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724

snippet ...
Extracts from the documents, published by The Daily Telegraph newspaper yesterday, reveal that Blair's officials did not accept the Bush administration's main arguments for war.

They did not consider Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction to be an imminent threat, and insisted there was "no credible evidence" to link Iraq to Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda network.

"For Iraq, `regime change' does not stack up. It sounds like a grudge match between Bush and Saddam," wrote Peter Ricketts, the foreign office policy director, in March, 2002.

...more
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:30 AM
Response to Reply #5
15. Sep 19 Washington Times: Blair was warned of Iraq chaos
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:55 AM
Response to Reply #2
12. Sep 19 ... the trickle has begun see Chicago Sun-Times
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 05:56 AM by Iceburg
http://www.suntimes.com/output/iraq/cst-nws-blair19.html
... last 2 paragraphs

The documents also show the degree of concern that the United States was ready to invade Iraq with or without backing from any of its allies.

David Manning, Blair's foreign policy adviser, returned from talks in Washington in mid-March 2002 warning that Bush "still has to find answers to the big questions," which included "what happens on the morning after?"

In a letter to Blair, he said: "I think there is a real risk that the administration underestimates the difficulties. They may agree that failure isn't an option, but this does not mean they will necessarily avoid it."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:26 AM
Response to Original message
3. Here is what I believe about Tony Blair.
I have some background on the English view of the world, coming from a mixed home and having lived abroad (and in England herself for a time), and I truly believe that Blair did he thought was right. I don't think he covered up much, if anything, and I think he was as decieved as the rest of us were in the runup to the start of Iraq. Blair is a smart guy, and I'd bet this 'leak' was his doing.

He has to side with Bush in public, but you can bet he's stabbing his George W voodoo doll with an icepick every single night.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. I agree, IMO that's why Blair and Clinton got on so well.
There are politicians who really seem to want to do the right thing, and Tony Blair has that written all over him. They don't always *do* the right thing though, sigh.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. Blair is a friggin' POODLE. He's kissing Bush*s ass every night.
He didn't want to stand up to the imbecile so he went along. And he was warned every step of the way what a fiasco lay ahead. He played ball with a criminal.

Blair is a war criminal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. He may well have been the leak ... some late night quilt at having
given gwb legitimacy. Too little to late IMHO. I am profoundly disgusted and disappointed that he accommodated, aided and more importantly encouraged the war criminal b$$h. How does he sleep at night knowing that he is responsible for the death of 1300 soldiers, the mutilation of 15,000 soldiers and the death of 20,000 INNOCENT Iraqis? Mr. Blair and Mr. Blair you alone gave the criminal b$$h credibility.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:36 AM
Response to Original message
8. I know that half of all Americans are too stupid to chuck chimp
Edited on Sat Sep-18-04 10:37 AM by Gyre
but what is Britains excuse? Why is that little punk still PM?

Gyre
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:04 AM
Response to Reply #8
14. Because unlike Bush, Blair is a 'liberal'
So if the Brits want to get rid of Blair, who takes his place a Tory? Oh there's a solution, not.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. Blair
Blair is too subtle to be a garden-type neo-con, but that just makes him more sinister. He's a liberal in the worst, "anything goes" sort of way, while an outright corporatist in economic matters!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Heath.Hunnicutt Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:43 AM
Response to Original message
9. One down, two to go.
It looks like Parliament will finally oust Blair. Now if we get rid of Bush and Vicente Fox of Mexico, we will have ousted all of that particular axis.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. You would think but the same newspaper spins the memos in an editorial
like Blair demonstrated his courage and ability as a statesman in being able to maintain good relations with America under strained conditions.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/09/18/dl1801.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2004/09/18/ixopinion.html

Try as they might, the memos will take down Blair.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:48 AM
Response to Original message
10. Somebody get ahold of Rob Reiner quick
this needs to be a made for TV movie. I guess it's probably too late now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 08:40 AM
Response to Original message
16. Mr. Blair may be a statesman,
but statesmen can be very, very wrong.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 05:19 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC