Baucus: The public option doesn't have 60 votes in Senate, so he will vote against it in committee.

[jefferson_dem]

Seriously, :wtf: kind of logic is that?

[Barack_America]

1. $$

The logic of framing your beliefs and actions around what will get you paid.

Baucus is a whore.

[SPedigrees]

2. the logic of a self serving ass wipe like Baucus nt

[Thrill]

3. Bought and Paid for

[jefferson_dem]

6. Honestly, there's no other explanation and it's totally fucking disgusting.

I, like many of us, just sat and watched a totally slammin' foolproof defense of the public option...only to have the "Democratic" Chair of the Committee toss in the towel. Unbelievable. :grr:

[ProSense]

4. Liar! n/t

[avaistheone1]

5. Baucas is a fucker.

[jefferson_dem]

7. Conrad, Lincoln, Baucus, Nelson, Carper all vote no.

n/t

[Thrill]

8. wow just wow

[Cali_Democrat]

9. Why doesn't he just be honest and admit he's a WHORE for the insurance industry. nt

[mzteris]

10. I think Obama should

call him in for a little "one-on-one" time . . .

[rudy23]

12. To shake his hand and congratulate him on a job well done?

Why would Obama have a problem with Baucus? :shrug:

[Baltoman991]

15. I had no

doubt someone would come along to imply this is what Obama wanted. But you know what, no matter how many times people say that, it's still bullshit.

He won't be happy with this and anyone paying attention knows he won't be.

[rudy23]

18. Let's see his impassioned speech against the Baucus bill and for a robust public option.

I haven't heard it yet, have you?

I have heard Obama go out and try to redefined the public option, and wag his finger at those of us on the left who insist on defining reform by the public option. I've heard him go out and bad mouth the post office, I've heard his right hand man call us "fucking stupid" for targeting Baucus and other Blue Dogs in ads. I've heard leaks come out that say that Obama negotiated the public option away with the drug companies months ago.

But no, I haven't heard Obama fight for a public option as most of us here define it. I'd like to see a link or something if you've got one. Not Obama's version of the public option with triggers, or only the 5% poorest eligible. The real one. Show me where that is, his unequivocal support for a strong public option.

[Baltoman991]

23. I've heard his

impassioned speech for the public option quite often. Sorry if you're not paying attention.

[rudy23]

24. Which public option, the one meant for the 5% poorest Americans? I've heard that one.

I've heard his speech calling for triggers and co-ops. I've also heard him voice his surprise and frustration that "so many on the left" defined healthcare reform by a public option.

Show me the one where he unequivocally shows support for a public option available to all Americans, without weaseling on the definition of "public option."

[Baltoman991]

25. I see people

are still pushing the 5% bullshit.

Honestly, if you're going to slam him at least know what you're talking about.

It was ESTIMATED that only 5% would use it. Nowhere does it say that only 5% would be eligible.

[rudy23]

26. The exact percentage is not nearly as important as the concept, no?

The end result is still the same---if you can afford crappy insurance, or if your employer provides it, you HAVE to take it.

[Baltoman991]

29. Move the

goal posts when you're proven wrong I see.

[rudy23]

30. You're a troll---your job is done here, you mucked up the debate long enough.

Good job! Way to shill!

[Baltoman991]

34. LMAO!!!!

A troll? Because I pointed out your, um, misleading stats?

A debate is centered on facts. You've provided none. You tried to pass off the "only 5% will be elieble" meme, got called on it and now you're pissed. To bad, so sad. Try again when you get your facts straight.

[rudy23]

35. 5%, 7% --- The point is that the "public" will be defined as only those who cant afford private care

You know damned good and well the exact percentage is not the issue. The limitation of the definition is the issue. And Obama is the one out there doing the most to try and limit that definition.

No, don't act like you won the argument because I may be off by a few points--you were trying to prove that Obama has been fighting for a robust public option, and you were proven wrong.

[gkhouston]

11. He's saving time. He's not gonna vote for it later, so why vote for it now? Weasel. n/t

[Baltoman991]

13. Fuck all those

who voted no to the public option. They should 1. Never be allowed to be called Democrats and 2. Have their fucking insurance yanked from them.

What a pathetic bunch they are. The fuckers know they don't need 60 votes yet thats the best excuse they could come up with?

I'm sure this will somehow be blamed on Obama.

[Obamacare]

19. what other options do we have

Sigh!! Can’t they pass some type of health care reform and add the public option in down the road later. Bottom line is, we need to get something passed, because things will look bad for democrats.

[bigwillq]

21. What kind of reform to you want to pass?

Or does your screename say it all?

To me, a bill without a strong public option really isn't reform. There are some good things in the proposal Obama made in his speech on TV, but I feel it still is too much of a gift to the insurance companies for my liking.

[Baltoman991]

22. No!!!!

The bottom line is the American people want the public option and we have a bunch of idiots who call themselves Democrats who are acting like fucking Republicans and ignoring the will of the people.

[liskddksil]

32. sorry - mandates without public option

makes things even worse and should be defeated with all our effots.

[rudy23]

14. It's the logic of someone selling us out in broad daylight, and grasping for an explanation

for why that's not the most reptilian, scum sucking, yellow-bellied move a representative can make.

[galloglas]

16. Baucus decides!! That is DEMOCRACY ?? n/t

[SIMPLYB1980]

17. 51. Damn take a civics class.

Make them filibuster if they want to stop it.

[grantcart]

20. seriously why do you think he is doing it?

[Phx_Dem]

27. Fine. Hopefully, his shitty bill won't be the one that goes to the floor.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

28. If I understand Max correctly...

He's going to take his vote, given to him by the people of Montana, and vote on legislation a certain way because a Senator from (say) Oklahoma is going to vote a certain way.

At what poing do the good people of Montana have to start wondering why the State of Oklahoma is entitled to three votes in the United States Senate?

[mvd]

31. I'll show him two ways to get the public option through

1) reconciliation
2) actually pushing for the public option instead of worrying about being bipartisan

[mohc]

33. And the reason he knows it does not have 60 votes

...is because he knows at the very least that he does not support it and the PO would need every Democrat supporting it to get 60 votes. Basically he is saying he can not support the amendment because....he can not support the amendment.

[ljm2002]

36. It's not logic, it's a lame-ass sellout. n/t