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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 05:56 PM
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HERE is the reason why I WANT President Obama to WIN, and win BIG.
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 05:57 PM by Amerigo Vespucci
George Motherfucking Stephanopoulos' "ABC News Roundtable" asking if President Obama was being "tough enough."

WHEN has George Stephanopoulos been PERSONALLY accountable for a FRACTION of what President Obama has on his plate?

WHAT...other than the fact that he is a smug little prick...gives him the right to question OUR President's "toughness" when the fucking little runt gave George W. Bush a free pass?

If you have a LINK of George Motherfucking Stephanopoulos QUESTIONING the "toughness" of George W. Bush, POST IT.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/18/abc-roundtable-is-obama-t_n_325156.html



George Stephanopoulos asked Sunday's ABC News Roundtable if President Obama was being "tough enough."

Former speechwriter Peggy Noonan argued that Obama's policy judgments, not his political skills, are behind decisions that upset some of his progressive supporters. Economist Paul Krugman responded that it was a strange time to call Obama weak, when he's about to pass health care reform: "He's actually getting stuff done now." Jake Tapper, the network's White House correspondent, said that what people want is for Obama to be clearer about what he wants from health care reform -- not tougher.


I watch that "roundtable" and I see four ASSHOLES playing "armchair quarterback."

What are they DOING to MAKE these things happen?

They're sitting around a table asking if Obama is TOUGH ENOUGH.

I'm putting my money on the fact that he IS.

And that each of these worthless fucks will be scrambling around, trying to find a way to eat their words without losing their audience.

:rant:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:07 PM
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1. Most excellent rant!
K&R

:patriot:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:24 PM
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6. Second that!
:)
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:09 PM
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2. Are you saying that if you have not yourself been president you have no right to
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 06:11 PM by saracat
question or criticize Obama? Or that any journalist or commentator doesn't have the right to question t or criticize the president if they themselves aren't working on the particular issue? This is one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read. It doesn't matter who anyone is or what they have done, they still have the right to question and criticize.

I questioned and criticized Bush on the war all the time as a citizen and I have never been to war. I have been questioning and criticizing presidents of both parties since Nixon.That is what Democracy consists of.

I want Obama to win big on health care only if it covers ALL Americans and benefits everyone except the insurance companies.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:15 PM
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3. No he is saying twerps like Stephanopoulos have no business questioning Obama's "toughness"
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 06:19 PM by emulatorloo
Criticizing and questioning is one thing. Character assassination is another thing.

These creeps are trying their damnedest to "CARTERIZE" Obama by claiming he is WEAK. They have an agenda, and it stinks.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:19 PM
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4.  Lack of"toughness" is character assassination? Wow. And to think I thought
character had to do with morality not political strategy or lack of it.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:21 PM
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5. Of course "Toughness" is a quality of character. also read my edit above.
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 06:22 PM by emulatorloo
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:38 PM
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8. whatever. you've loathed him, personally, for so long, no one gives a flip what you think.
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 06:40 PM by dionysus
transparent as my window, you are (/yoda off)
:rofl:
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:50 PM
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9. I do.
And that was a terrible yoda.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:19 PM
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12. splendid company you keep then sir.
:rofl:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:34 PM
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14. And this no one you refer to is? If you refer to yourself and those similar, why would anyone care.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:55 PM
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10. There's a point in any argument.....
.... when reason and informed debate ceases to exist.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:30 PM
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7. Nicely said!
:applause:
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ind_thinker2 Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:15 PM
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11. Stephanopoulos is a "gotcha" journalist
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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:20 PM
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13. George Steph needs to 'grab a mop' and help clean this mess up!
per the POTUS. It was a mess when we got here, so instead of standing back criticizing, just grab a frikken mop!
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:39 PM
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15. I stopped taking that piece of shit seriously after
he moderated that "debate" during the primaries. Fuck him.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 05:57 PM
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16. Obama's tough enough.
"At a town hall event in New Orleans, President Obama took a question from a fourth-grader named Tyren Scott who wanted to know, "Why do people hate you?"

"They're supposed to love you," he continued.

After the crowd swooned, Obama responded that the boy should take criticism of him with "a grain of salt."

"One party feels like they need to poke you, keep you on your toes," he said.

"When things are tough, you're gonna get some of the blame," Obama said. But, he added, "I'm a tough guy. Are you a tough guy? You look pretty tough."



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HopeOverFear (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 06:17 PM
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President Obama is tough. Just not our kind of tough.
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 06:26 PM by HopeOverFear
http://mutantpoodle.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/the-power-... /


"The Power of the Soft Martial Arts"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxb2ctulEs

I’m done with pundits on the left saying Barack Obama needs to get tough. (Since folks on the right claim he’s creating re-education camps, they, at least, haven’t jumped on this idiotic bandwagon.)

If people haven’t figured out Obama by now, I don’t know what to tell you. He will never play the boisterous, in your face, my way or the highway character that some liberals dream about.

Last fall, Maureen Dowd loaned Aaron Sorkin her column inches, and had him channel Jed Bartlett to give Obama advice. Unsurprisingly, it was to take the gloves off:


OBAMA: What would you do?

BARTLET: GET ANGRIER! Call them liars, because that’s what they are. Sarah Palin didn’t say ”thanks but no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere. She just said ”Thanks.” You were raised by a single mother on food stamps — where does a guy with eight houses who was legacied into Annapolis get off calling you an elitist? And by the way, if you do nothing else, take that word back. Elite is a good word, it means well above average. I’d ask them what their problem is with excellence. While you’re at it, I want the word ”patriot” back. McCain can say that the transcendent issue of our time is the spread of Islamic fanaticism or he can choose a running mate who doesn’t know the Bush doctrine from the Monroe Doctrine, but he can’t do both at the same time and call it patriotic. They have to lie — the truth isn’t their friend right now. Get angry. Mock them mercilessly; they’ve earned it. McCain decried agents of intolerance, then chose a running mate who had to ask if she was allowed to ban books from a public library….I don’t know whether or not Governor Palin has the tenacity of a pit bull, but I know for sure she’s got the qualifications of one. And you’re worried about seeming angry? You could eat their lunch, make them cry and tell their mamas about it and God himself would call it restrained. There are times when you are simply required to be impolite. There are times when condescension is called for!


Obama, of course, didn’t go that route. How’d that work out for him?

Look – the first problem with people who want Obama to morph into the Incredible Hulk is, quite simply, that’s not who he is.

The second problem is that people too often equate bluster with strength. But ask anyone whose worked in bars before – the guys to worry about aren’t the blowhards – it’s the guys who say nothing but don’t back down.

After a full election campaign where Obama deftly let his opponents trip themselves up with their own momentum – just as Aikido founder Morihei Ueshiba does in the clip above – Obama’s methods should be totally clear. He allows his opponents to propel themselves, with whatever combination of hyperbole and hysteria they choose to offer, past reasonableness, and then gives them a little effortless nudge – all the while leaving the door open for conversation and, dare I say it, bipartisanship, with those on the other side.

In short, he lets his opponents use up their energy attacking, and then steps in and finishes them.

The irony is that we are a culture that values toughness and yet fails to see it when it’s right in front of us. Ta-Nehisi Coates nailed it a year ago:


This is a war, and you don’t lose wars because of abstract principles, but because of hard immovable facts. Is your army bigger than theirs? Are you attracting more recruits? Are you deploying in the right places? Who has more resources? Who has the technology edge? These are the reasons I voted Obama in the primary. I didn’t think he was “more principled” than Clinton, nor did I really care. I thought she was tough, but I knew he was tougher. I thought her campaign was smart, but I thought his was smarter. I thought one person was talking about being a fighter, and another was out there actually being a fighter. The general is bearing all of this out, because right now, Barack Hussein Obama is beating John McCain like he stole something–from Toot, no less.


I’ll admit, the process with health care reform hasn’t been pretty. But the Senate Finance Committee – maybe the most reactionary committee in the Democratic supermajority Senate – just passed a health care reform bill 14-9. Those who screamed the loudest over the summer have largely run out of ammunition (after all, once you go down the Death Panels road, you’re bound to hit a dead end). There’s a long way to go, but no one’s gotten this close in nearly a century. All this from someone who people don’t think is tough enough.

I don’t know what form health care reform is going to take at the end of this godawful process. But whatever it is, I think Obama will have gotten as much as possible out of a pivotal group of recalcitrant Senate Democrats. I am just as convinced that trying to beat people up to get more would not only fail to do better, it would probably wind up with less. And finally, I think that given that this is how Obama operates, and how skillfully he does it, asking him to adopt strategies and techniques at which he’s less skilled is dumb – it’s like picking up a girl because you have a thing for swimmers, and then being upset because she can’t play softball.

Obama’s mastery of his style is what made him an effective – and winning – candidate, and it’s his best hope for success as a president. LBJ wasn’t on the ballot, folks. Move on."

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 10:19 PM
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17. Funny how all these little DLC pricks who used to kiss Clintons ass are now openly Repuke suckups
Snuffy, Carville, and Dick "toesucker" Morris, just to name a few.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 10:49 PM
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18. Wish I could still rec this...
Excellent Post!

:patriot:


They are full of fucking shit. I guess since he's not threatening to blow up the world each day, he's not tough enough for them. Fuck em all!
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 11:05 AM
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19. I find Georgie quite disgusting fairly often.
For that smug armchair quarterbacking you mention. And he does the-- "look at me, I can be tough on Democrats" deal, without the correlate toughness on GOP interviews.

And no, I never did find him to be tough enough on the Bush Gang. It was as though a lot of the news chat pundits thought-- well we know they are stupid so we'll just stick to the talking points when interviewing the GOP; but Democrats are our people so we'll be tough with them to show that we are not biased, even when common sense, basic ethics, international law, and economic data support the Democratic positions being discussed.

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