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MarlaM Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:19 PM
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Are there any indications that the House bill will lower premiums by $2,500 per year as promised?
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 05:01 PM by MarlaM
Does anyone know what the CBO has said regarding the promise that premiums would be lower by $2,500 for a typical family? What will our premiums look like a few years from now? I believe the averge stands at $13,400 as we speak.

In speech after speech, Senator Barack Obama has vowed that he will lower the country’s health care costs enough to “bring down premiums by $2,500 for the typical family.” Moreover, Mr. Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, has promised that his health plan will be in place “by the end of my first term as president of the United States.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/23health.html

My vote for Obama was based in part on that assumption. That would be awesome. That would be $208 less a month.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:27 PM
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1. Pom-Pomers in 3... 2... 1...
There's nothing to slow costs as far as I know, but I'm not an expert.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:29 PM
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2. It is a calculation based on increased competition; i.e.,
the health exchange, the PO, and streamlining and modernizing certain administrative procedures.

If the PO is forced out by media/GOP/teabag nutjobs/lieberman type assholes,
then the savings will most likely shrink.

House Health Reform Bill Expands Coverage and Lowers Health Cost Growth, While Reducing Deficits

Expanding coverage. Under the House bill, 96 percent of non-elderly legal residents in the United States would have health insurance by 2019. Relative to current law, the bill would reduce the number of uninsured by 36 million, or two-thirds, by 2019, according to CBO’s preliminary estimates. <3> The bill would cover 7 million more of the uninsured by 2019 than the bill that the Senate Finance Committee approved earlier this month.
Slowing health care cost growth. The bill would take a number of steps, particularly within Medicare, to institute efficiencies to lower costs and change how health care is delivered to improve the quality of care. CBO estimates that the bill would substantially slow Medicare’s growth rate. <4>
CBO Director Elmendorf has noted that changing Medicare’s payment rules is one of “two powerful policy levers” that the federal government has available to encourage changes in medical practice and thereby slow the increase in health care costs.<5> The other lever that Elmendorf identified, a limit on the open-ended tax subsidy for employer-sponsored health insurance, is part of the Senate Finance Committee bill.

Reforming the health insurance market. The bill includes essential reforms that would greatly improve access to affordable and comprehensive health insurance coverage for people (and employers) at all income levels. It would bar insurance companies from denying coverage or charging higher premiums to enrollees that have health problems and would limit insurers’ ability to charge higher premiums to individuals simply because they are older. It also would set minimum standards regarding what insurers could offer, including an annual cap on out-of-pocket costs and a ban on annual or lifetime benefit limits. These reforms would apply to all policies purchased in the individual market and, over time, all employer-sponsored plans as well.
The House bill would establish a national health insurance exchange to make a range of health coverage options available to individuals and small businesses. The bill also would limit the ability of insurers to craft benefit packages in ways designed to attract enrollment by those who are healthy and to discourage enrollment by those in poorer health; it apparently would do so to a greater degree than the Finance Committee bill. As a result of these measures, the House bill would substantially lower the risk of “adverse selection” (the separation of healthier and less-healthy individuals into separate insurance arrangements), which otherwise could drive up premiums in the health insurance exchange.

Overall, the House bill compares quite favorably to the bill that will likely emerge in the Senate, which is expected to be based largely on the Senate Finance Committee bill (while also including elements of the Senate HELP bill).
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2973


AS WELL, THE HCR BILL WILL GIVE.....

New Protections for Consumers

Regardless of your place of employment or the kind of coverage you have now, new regulations would take effect in 2010 that would go a long way toward curtailing the insurance companies' worst abuses.

Insurance companies could no longer deny coverage to people because they've had health problems in the past, nor could they charge hugely different rates for different groups of people (premiums could only vary by age, geography, tobacco use and family size).

The House bill bans recissions -- the insurance industry's habitual practice of collecting premiums until someone gets sick, and then digging through their histories for an excuse to cancel coverage.

Insurers wouldn't be allowed to cancel an individual's coverage for reasons other than failing to pay the premium.

Insurers would no longer be permitted to impose annual or lifetime caps on benefits.

Insurers that sell insufficient, cheapo plans that leave people vulnerable to medical crises would be required to disclose that fact to their customers.

All insurers would be required to disclose how much of their spending is on health care and how much goes to costs like overhead, advertising, etc.

The legislation (especially the Senate HELP bill) creates new tools for fighting insurance fraud and abuse.

One of the most significant of these regulations is in the House bill: a cap on out-of-pocket expenses. If the measure passes, individuals would face a maximum of $5,000 in out-of-pocket expenses a year, and families no more than $10,000. For poorer families, the limits would be much lower: $500 per year, for example, for a family making less than 1.33 times the poverty rate.

People Who Could Never Get Decent Coverage Will Finally Be Able To

So far, one of the great victories for the anti-reform movement has been convincing many small-business owners that health reform will put them under.

The reality is that small-business people, their employees, independent contractors, freelancers, entrepreneurs, part-timers and the "marginally employed" would be the biggest winners from the legislation if it passed as currently drafted. Small business owners and their employees -- as well as those other groups -- would, for the first time, be able to get decent coverage at a fair price, and if eligible, both employer and worker would be able to get extra help paying for it.

Under the current system, most of the largest employers in the country self-insure -- they pay their employees' claims directly and cut out the middleman.

Big firms that don't self-insure buy insurance on the large-group market, where risk is spread out over a large pool. Large-group plans tend to be more or less comprehensive and, relatively speaking, affordable.

But those forced to purchase coverage on the individual or small-group markets have little buying power and are routinely forced to pay budget-busting premiums for the worst possible coverage -- plans with high deductibles, caps on benefits and strict limits on what is and isn't covered.

This gets to the heart of the "public insurance option" -- the most contentious point of debate in the reform battle. It would work like this: The government would establish regional exchanges, or "gateways," that would be open to those who would otherwise be forced into the individual and small-group markets. These gateways would have relatively large insurance pools just like large employers -- and public programs like Medicare -- have now.

Within these large purchasing pools, people would be able to choose from among different insurance plans -- one a government-run "public option" and the rest offered by private insurers.

In order for private insurers to sell plans through the exchanges, they would be required to offer a standard set of benefits (which the public option would have to offer as well). They'd also be permitted to offer plans with more bells and whistles at a premium price.

For those enrolled in the public exchanges, the process would be quite similar to what employees in many large companies experience -- they would simply choose from among a variety of plans, with slightly different levels of coverage and costs.

Compared to the plans now available in the individual and small-group markets, they would pay a lot less for significantly better insurance (which, in reality, is what those "teabaggers" are protesting).
http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/141916/10_awesome_things_that_would_happen_if_health_reform_passes/?page=2




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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:40 PM
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3. Premiums for PO could get expensive...here is what I fear
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 04:52 PM by Garam_Masala
The private insurance companies will harass patients with
expensive healthcare needs by delay, obfuscation, and denial
requiring appeals and more delays in payment. They all are already
very good at these tactics.

The result will be more and more patients with expensive medical
needs will gravitate to the PO for insurance. Which translates
into higher premiums for PO for all but poor patients.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:04 PM
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4. Massachusetts has mandated & subsidized healthcare (12% above avg family premiums at $13.7K a year)
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