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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 01:30 AM
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Worry in Missouri
I don't know what to think. On the one hand, there's that Mason-Dixon poll that has Claire up by 3. OTOH, there are polls by SUSA and LAT/Bloomberg that have Talent up by 3.

The SUSA poll is very frightening to me.

It has Talent close to 50% at 48% and McCaskill at 45%, which is a huge swing from their poll two weeks ago that had McCaskill up 52 to 43.

I'll just quote from SUSA:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportEmail.aspx?g=078e65d9-7cd0-4f86-bf71-adcc760b51f2

MO Senate Seat Tips Back To Republican Incumbent Talent: In an election for United States Senator from Missouri today, 10/24/06, 2 weeks to Election Day, incumbent Republican Jim Talent rebounds to inch ahead of Democrat challenger Claire McCaskill, 48% to 45%, according to a poll of 630 Likely Voters conducted exclusively for KSDK-TV St. Louis and KCTV-TV Kansas City. This is a dramatic reversal when compared to an identical SurveyUSA tracking poll in Missouri released 10/12/06. In the 10/12 SurveyUSA poll, Talent had 42%, today 48%, a gain of 6. In the 10/12 poll, McCaskill had 51%, now 45%, a loss of 6. Talent trailed by 9, now leads by 3, a 12-point swing. Two things are simultaneously at work: In the 10/12 poll, 32% of Likely Voters identified themselves as Republican. Today, 38% do. Republicans appear newly energized in this contest, in part driven by the forces at work on Amendment 2, separate analysis to follow. Second, in the 10/12 poll, McCaskill led by 13 points among Independent voters. Today, Independents are tied at 41%. The number of "undecided" Independents has doubled since the 10/12 poll, and the number of Independents voting for Libertarian Frank Gilmour has doubled since the 10/12 poll. In the Ozark Region, Talent led by 6 on 10/12. Today Talent leads by 36, a 30-point swing to the Republican. In rural Central Missouri, McCaskill led by 16 on 10/12. Today, Talent leads by 8, a 24-point swing to the Republican. The St. Louis and Kansas City regions continue to favor McCaskill. There is other movement: Talent had trailed among whites, now leads. Talent had trailed among the youngest voters, now leads. Here is the inter-relationship with the Stem Cell Amendment: On 10/12, McCaskill led by 44 points among voters who were certain to vote "Yes" on Amendment 2. Today, McCaskill leads by 38 points among the "Certain Yes" voters. But: the size of the "Certain Yes" group has shrunk from 57% of Likely Voters on 10/12 to today 45%. On 10/12, Talent led by 68 points among voters who were certain to vote "No" on Amendment 2. Today, Talent leads by 56 points among the "Certain No" voters. But: the size of the "Certain No" group has grown from 27% of Likely Voters on 10/12 to today 36% of Likely Voters. Last, an imponderable: On 10/21/06, the first day of the field period for this survey, McCaskill began airing a TV commercial that featured the actor Michael J Fox, who suffers from Parkinson's disease. There is no way to estimate, or even guess at, whether this advertisement had an impact on the numbers that SurveyUSA reports today. SurveyUSA will make note, however, that the interviews for a competing poll released today by Mason-Dixon, which show McCaskill ahead by 3 points, were completed on 10/19, before the Michael J Fox advertisement aired. It is unclear if the airing of the Fox ad is entirely coincidental to the movement observed here by SurveyUSA, or if there is some relationship. Many other factors were simultaneously at work in Missouri, including a tougher, more aggressive stance taken by Talent in his debate appearances with McCaskill, and advertisements taken out by Talent attacking McCaskill. Those factors acknowledged, Talent did better day-by-day in this survey, from Minus 1 on Saturday 10/21, to Plus 5 on Sunday 10/22, to Plus 7 on Monday 10/23. When the 3 days of interviewing are averaged, Talent is up 3 points, which are the results SurveyUSA presents here.


AND...

Support For Stem Cell Amendment Begins to Erode, Opposition Increases; Males Bail: In a referendum today, 10/24/06, 2 weeks to Election Day, Constitutional Amendment 2, the Stem Cell Initiative, has more support than opposition, but: with 18% of Likely Voters Not Yet Certain how they will vote on the Amendment, and with some demographic groups dramatically shifting their position on the Amendment, the contest is too volatile, and too unpredictable, to reliably forecast. Twelve days ago, in an identical SurveyUSA poll, Amendment 2 passed, 57% 'Certain' to vote Yes, 27% 'Certain' to vote No. Since then, 'Certain Yes' is down to 45%, 'Certain No' is up to 36%; a 30-point cushion on 10/12 is today a 9-point cushion. Among males, the Amendment had passed by 49 points on 10/12. Today, it passes by 6, a 43-point swing. Among voters age 35 to 49, opposition to the Amendment has doubled from a SurveyUSA poll on 9/14. Among affluent voters, the Amendment passed by 35 points on 10/12, passes by 2 points today, a 33-point swing. In Central MO, the Amendment had passed by 32 points, now is defeated by 6, a 38-point swing. SurveyUSA did not read the full text of the Constitutional Amendment to respondents. The exact language that SurveyUSA read to respondents appears in the table below.



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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 05:21 PM
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1. Doesn't Survey USA oversample Repukes?
It's still close no matter what
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 07:06 PM
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2. Nothing motivates these people like babies in lab dishes.
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freebrew Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 08:20 AM
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3. Don't believe the polls...
such large swings in a short time indicate that the polls aren't reliable. \
Phone polls are being used to propagate the anti#2 agenda. Lies are being fed to the papers' editorial sections that have little truth as to the real language and meaning of the amendment. Most Repukes will swallow this whole, but MO isn't a rabid Repuke state. There's plenty of them to be sure. Seems our biggest hurdle is the Baptists. The WBC was here this past weekend, and the local Baptist ministers are trying to tie the WBC protests to the Dems. If they do, not much will change here in rural MO, as they'll vote R anyway. But if they fail and it becomes clear that the WBC is rabid R, it might make a little difference.

One can hope.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 02:31 PM
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4. I think the SUSA is BS...
A swing from 9 points down to 3 points up in a week (or two)?

That kind of swing doesn't happen when there's been nothing major in between the polls. One or both of their polls was wrong.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:26 PM
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5. report from the FReeper repub front lines
GOTV is Underway in Missouri
Myself | October 27, 2006 | Dave S

Posted on 10/27/2006 11:16:34 AM PDT by Dave S

Finally starting to see some activity on behalf of Talent. In addition to what appears to be about a tripling of advertising activity here in St. Louis in the last few days, there has been a huge increase in telephone calls. Just this morning I've had calls from RNC (gay marriage), MO Republican Party (Tax increases), and one other call that I dont recall. Also got a flyer in the mail the other day from RSCC I believe.

Still not seeing yard signs like I usuualy do for Jim here in West St. Louis County but several people have suggested I ought to get out more often. Not many here in Ballwin which is part of Talents old congressional district.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 11:30 AM
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6. Talent does seem to be fading
and not with grace. LOL
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:45 PM
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7. thats the truth
Edited on Tue Oct-31-06 05:47 PM by petersond
there is a grain of truth in your post...the hard core repubs down in my county, are...well, very upset with most R's in general in there state...high prices of gas, diesal, cost of living going up...more taxes being thrown at Iraq war, pork barrel issues...and the national debt...

I think a lot of the R's in my county are going to be hard pressed, and force themselves to vote R, or stay home...I'm in McDonald County, very red...
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