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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:33 AM
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Fucking insanity in Edgerton, I'm going to counter protest
http://cf.channel3000.com/c3k/sh/con_surveycontest_display/displaySurveyResults.cfm?contentid=15973802&sitekey=C3K&questionum=1&answer1=1

<snip> As a veteran, Al Decker said he can’t let slide an incident in which students said the Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish at Edgerton High School last month. Decker will bring six to eight veterans from the VFW and American Legion to Monday’s school board meeting to protest the incident, the Edgerton resident and Army veteran said.

“It’s disrespectful and it’s unpatriotic,” Decker said. “The pledge was designed here in the United States, and it was designed in English, and I believe that’s the way it should be.”

Edgerton High School broadcasts the pledge over the intercom every day, Principal Jim Halberg said. On March 11, he allowed a Spanish class to say the pledge in Spanish.

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WTF? You've got to read the comments. These people are not only morans they're INSANE morans. I think I'm going to xpost this on GD
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:49 AM
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1. Xenophobic white men angry because they aren't multi-lingual
and that makes them embarrassed enough to claim that didn't go fight for the pledge of alligance for people who aren't linguistically like their own bigoted selves.

Of my fellow Wisconsinites I can only say I know that not all of us are like that. Not even most of us are like that...
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:13 AM
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2. When you consider that Wisconsin
is a state made up of the descendants of German, Polish, and Scandinavian immigrants- its pretty amazing that some people are so intolerant of immigrants (and the study of other languages).
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:53 PM
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5. In the late 19th & early 20th centuries, Wisconsin had the highest
percentage of foreign-born residents of all states in the Union. It was remarked that jingoistic, anti-foreigner statements, common at the time in American politics, were an effective form of political suicide if you tried to use them here.

How far we have sunk, and how rapidly! In my instance, all my grandparents were born in Europe.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:37 PM
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6. Hey Jackpine!
Sorry I had to miss the 7th CD Convention!!!

I had a day-long "strategic planning session-economic development" for the City Council today....:cry:

The bad news is I got "into it" with the City Administrator...the good news is that the Chief of Police didn't have to use his taser... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

How did the convention go?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:42 PM
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7. "How did the convention go?" How the hell should I know?
I kinda dozed through most of it. Madashell & Sybylla were jumping up & down a lot, so maybe they remember some parts of it. I was only there for the brownies & pretzels, both of which were excellent.

I did check with some Wood County people about you, so I already heard that BS excuse you were floating about the all-day meeting.

So, are you gonna make it to the State show?

BTW, Sybylla sorta recruited me to the MREA fair this year, which I hope to make. You going to that? Maybe we can check out some alternative uses for grain ethanol or something.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:55 AM
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9. Jumping up and down alot?
How would you know. You were sleeping, LOL.

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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:17 AM
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3. Spanish class saying it in Spanish
There is no agenda there except fluency in other languages. Those protesters are totally missing the point. I guess they have heard too many anti-immigrant talking points on talk radio and they see a threat that is not there.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:54 AM
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4. Fark has picked up on this via The Progressive in Madison
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 11:56 AM by CatholicEdHead
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:29 AM
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8. Edgerton kids will say pledge in Spanish -- sometimes
EDGERTON -- Students at Edgerton High School will continue to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in English most of the time -- but sometimes in Spanish.

After an emotional meeting of the Edgerton School Board, which attracted a crowd so large that the session had to be moved from the usual meeting room to the school cafeteria, board members voted unanimously to support the administration's experiment in bilingual patriotism.

That settled a controversy that stirred up in March and eventually went national, with media outlets around the country focusing attention on how the community that straddles the line between Rock and Dane counties -- and that has long been known as a Norwegian-American bastion -- would address a unique variation on the debate over whether this is an "English-Only" country.

The pledge is recited daily over the Edgerton High School's public address system, as is required by state law. Most days, the recitation is in English. But, at the request of students in a foreign-language class, a determination was made to allow an occasional repetition of the patriotic statement in Spanish.

That brought objections from some parents and from some older veterans in the community, who claimed that reciting the pledge in any language other than English was disrespectful of those who had served in the military in the past and are currently serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.

As it turned out, not all veterans agreed.

One of the first speakers of the evening was Jennifer Malinski, an Edgerton High School Class of 1991 graduate who served eight years in the U.S. Army. Recalling that "every day I put on my uniform I worked shoulder to shoulder with dozens of Spanish-speaking soldiers," Malinski told the board, "I would not refuse these Spanish-speaking soldiers the right to say the pledge in whatever language came to their lips, and I hope to God that we don't do that here."

Most of the people in the crowd of 70 applauded.

But the agreement was not universal. Jolene Churchill of Janesville told the board that "non-Spanish-speaking individuals are offended" by "this social experiment by some district employees." Al Decker, a member of the Edgerton American Legion post, suggested that, "When you start saying the pledge in other languages, it hurts soldiers currently serving in the military."

But Dave Calkins, a Vietnam veteran who served 22 years in the military before becoming a 6th-grade social studies teacher at Edgerton, disagreed. He read a note from his son, Davey, who is currently serving his third combat tour in the U.S. military. In it, the Edgerton High School graduate said he served with Spanish-speaking troops and said, "Their commitment is equal to mine." Davey Calkins added with regard to the pledge, "Any way you say it, it's still a pledge ... It's the commitment that matters."

The board agreed, with member Jim Raymond moving to affirm the decisions of Dr. Norman Fjelstad, who had defended the bilingual approach by saying, "In my view, to not allow this supports discrimination of a heritage that has as much right in a nation of immigrants as any Norwegian, German, or other language."

"I don't think the administration overdid this at all," said Raymond, whose sentiments were echoed by fellow board members -- all of whom expressed their sentiments in English.

http://www.madison.com/tct/news/stories/283724
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:14 AM
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10. Great news!
Sanity ruled the night, it seems. I've only driven through Edgerton a couple of times, but it's earned a bit more respect from me for the way it's handled this.

Congratulations, citizens of Edgerton, for doing the right thing! :patriot:
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:51 PM
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11. Thank god sanity prevailed
It makes the whole state look back when people pull bullshit like this. I have a couple really good (and liberal) friends in Edgerton and I know it's very much a working-class city. I also know that the librarian at Edgerton High School is a very outspoken lefty, very environmentally conscious and willing to stock the school library with books that make some parents have a conniption. It's really a very nice little town and I'm glad that they put the morons in their place.

Am I the only one who read this: Al Decker, a member of the Edgerton American Legion post, suggested that, "When you start saying the pledge in other languages, it hurts soldiers currently serving in the military." and thought that what really hurts our soldiers is bullets and bombs and maybe we should get them the fuck out of harm's way instead of worrying about stupid fucking flag waving. It's become an empty gesture anyway. What does the flag really stand for? Seems to me it's supposed to stand for liberty and freedom and now that they've gutted our civil liberties and destroyed so many of the things that made free I think the fucking flag stands for NOTHING but emptiness.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:22 AM
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12. "Am I the only one who read this..."
Nope. I thought the same thing, only I couldn't have put it down in words as well as you did.
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:32 PM
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13. Just wait 'til the French class recites the pledge....
That'll send the rednecks into an epileptic fit.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:16 PM
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14. They should translate the First Amendment into French
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:16 PM by undeterred
and perform it at a school assembly. That'll drive 'em crazy. :evilgrin:
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