Canada Out of Kyoto/Restrictions on Softwood lumber gone.

[Canuckistanian]

Coincidence?

[elare]

1. So when did all this happen?

I must have missed some big news while at work today.

[Canuckistanian]

2. Both of them today, apparently

There are threads in GD about them, separately.

[elare]

4. They must be buried in there

Because I couldn't find them ... or it could be that I'm just too tired and I'm not seeing them. In any event, I don't see anything on the CBC website or the Globe and Mail website ... nor can I understand how this could happen BEFORE Harper is actually sworn in as PM. I think his "promise" to pull out of Kyoto is a foregone conclusion in any case, and if the softwood tariffs get returned to the sawmills in this country, I for one won't be complaining since my husband works in that industry and the past few years have been pretty tough for a lot of folks around here.

[Canuckistanian]

8. Here

Kyoto
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x40916

Softwood
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2080682

[ClusterFreak]

5. But The Harper hasn't been sworn in yet????

How did we get pulled out of Kyoto before he's sworn in as PM? :shrug:

[Canuckistanian]

7. The article said we "probably will" pull out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x40916

And we all know what Harper's position is on Kyoto.

[tuvor]

11. OTOH, the Liberals were all talk, no action on Kyoto.

Not that I'm any happier.

[Canuckistanian]

12. No kidding

They made some noises about Kyoto, but actually did pitifully nothing about acheiving real results.

Harper, by contrast, will do nothing by design.

[jackbourassa]

20. First of all, Harper can't pull out of Kyoto

He needs to take a vote in the House. He isn't the dictator. He can't command something into law. A vote needs to be taken - AND PASSED - which would pull Canada out of Kyoto.

Second, Harper has a SMALL MINORITY government, which means he's going to have to convince at least 35 members of OTHER PARTIES to support his PULL OUT of Kyoto.

Finally, ALL THE OTHER PARTIES support Kyoto. Which means, he will lose the vote.

So he'd have to be pretty stupid to do something like this.

[hopeisaplace]

3. WHAT!!!!

Don't you just love conservative leadership...there so precious.
so special aren't they. *GAG*

[Spazito]

6. Re the tariffs: the President signed the budget bill today where it became

official, the decision had been made before Harper, after the U.S. lost their last appeal to the WTO and NAFTA.

As to Kyoto, I can't find anything on this at all re Canada doing anything recently re Kyoto.

Edited to add link to CBC article from Dec 21/05 on the bill, etc.

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/051221/w122158.html

"The United States has collected some $5 billion Cdn in duties on softwood lumber since 2002 but that money is still being held by U.S. Customs. Canada is demanding it be returned. The budget bill still must go back to the House of Representatives for final action, and it's not clear if legislators would clear the bill before the Christmas break. However, President George W. Bush was expected to sign the legislation soon."

[Canuckistanian]

9. Here's the Kyoto link given in the GD thread

http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2006/feb/policy/jp_canadakyoto.html

[Spazito]

10. Ah, this is simply reiterating what Harper had said previously

as opposed to any actual action being taken. It will be interesting to see when and how Harper will try to do this given his shaky government.

[Canuckistanian]

13. Does he need Parliamentary approval to cancel?

Someone asked me this earlier and I didn't know the answer.

[Spazito]

15. Seeing as we have actually signed on and officially ratified it

on December 17, 2002 and it is a multinational agreement. The ratification was through a vote in the House so it would take another vote to nullify our agreement.

"OTTAWA - Prime Minister Jean Chrétien said Dec. 10 will be known as a wonderful day for Canadians because Parliament will approve the Kyoto Protocol to reduce greenhouse gases."

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2002/12/09/kyoto_021209.html

I am searching the Canadian government site to find the process involved in backing out of an international agreement but have yet to find anything concrete, I will post if I do find something substantive.

[Canuckistanian]

16. Ok, thanks

Seems to me that ratification would have to be revoked somehow.

[Harper_is_Bush]

14. Canada is not out of Kyoto yet, nor are SLumber restrictions gone.

:shrug:

[MrPrax]

17. Why disinformation?

There has been NO announcement regarding either other than warmed over election speculation...

So why would you claim something major like this and then when asked for a 'cite', you post DU forums for proof?

If this is what you think (a good guess), then why didn't you frame the topic properly and link to the other forums in the topic?

But thanks for the heads up...we're pretty stupid up here in Canada...

[Canuckistanian]

18. What disinformation? There are links in those posts.

Here the Toronto Star link for the dropping of the Byrd Amendment:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1138834250781&col=968705899037&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News

And here's the link for Kyoto.
http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2006/feb/policy/jp_canadakyoto.html

As for the Kyoto link, agreed, it may not be an official pronouncement, but at least you'll grant me that the Kyoto Accord doesn't have a bright future with Harper in charge of implementing it.
And I think that Environmental Science and Technology would know a few things about the subject.

Call me psychic, but I don't see the Conservatives jumping on this.

[Harper_is_Bush]

19. Good gawd man!

The restrictions on softwood lumber are not gone either!
Do you even know what the byrd agreement is?

As for the claptrap about the Kyoto agreement, now you admit that "it may not be an official pronouncement". No "may" about it, it's not an announement at all!

You have posted total disinformation and should apologize if nothing else!

good grief.