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hermetic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 07:25 AM
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US now free to send troops into Canada
"Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other's borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.

Neither the Canadian government nor the Canadian Forces announced the new agreement, which was signed Feb. 14 in Texas."

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=403d90d6-7a61-41ac-8cef-902a1d14879d&k=14984
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:11 PM
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1. I guess Steve decided to reverse the War of 1812.
Not that Chimpy would have known the Americans LOST! To the CANADIANS, no less! :evilgrin:
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Canadian_moderate Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:47 PM
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4. Canada didn't exist in 1812
At least conferation had not taken place. Upper and Lower Canada were simply British Colonies and the British Military, with the help of colonial militias, were the ones who arguably beat the Americans.

Let's not be ridiculous and beat our chests in patriotism when recalling the War of 1812. It's sad and pathetic to act like that. At least Americans had democracy in 1812, something the Canadian colonists could only dream about at the time.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 08:12 PM
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5. "At least Americans had democracy in 1812..."
Sure, if you were a white guy.
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Canadian_moderate Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 09:21 PM
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6. True enough, but
please tell me which democracies at that time allowed women to vote.

I certainly agree that slavery and racism was/is evil, no argument there.

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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:21 PM
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7. Not that we're digressing or anything...
(after all, my intent was only to point out that the USA democracy was quite limited at the time--other democracies of the time notwithstanding. Maybe I did a poor job; wouldn't be the first time, I'm afraid.)

...but aaaanyway, according to Wikipedia:

Women's suffrage was granted by the Corsican Republic of 1755 whose Constitution stipulated a national representative assembly elected by all inhabitants over the age of 25, both women (if unmarried or widowed) and men.


(BTW, not to be disagreeable, but while looking up the answer to your question, I also discovered that there in fact were some democratic institutions for at least some "Canadian colonists" way back in the day):

Aside from the election of syndics in mid-17th century New France, early elections in Canada were based on the practice and the presuppositions of 18th-century Britain. In the period of early English settlement, it was taken for granted that good government required legislative institutions comparable to the mother country's. At the same time, the ability to vote was not seen as something that should be universally available. It was restricted, and properly so, first to loyal British subjects and, among them, to substantial men of property.

Thus, British governors and their masters in London actively encouraged the creation of legislative assemblies where they believed conditions would allow, even to the point of granting the vote to people who would not have qualified for the franchise in England. On the other hand, the franchise was constantly under scrutiny to make sure that the wrong type of people did not acquire it. If they did, it was sometimes taken away from them.

For example, in Prince Edward Island, the governor of 1773 allowed a representative assembly to be formed, once enough Protestant Scots had arrived to counterbalance the earlier Acadian (French) settlers. His first thought was to restrict the franchise to freeholders, in line with English practice at home. However, almost all settlers were tenants or even squatters at this point, so out of necessity all Protestants were allowed to vote. For the eighteenth century this was a very wide franchise and it did not last. As the colony slowly grew, property qualifications were brought in. In 1787, Protestant tenants in the three towns on the Island lost their vote, and in 1806 and 1830, progressively more restrictive property qualifications were enacted.

http://www.nipissingu.ca/department/history/muhlberger/histdem/canvote.htm


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Canadian_moderate Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:03 PM
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8. Interesting. Thanks for the information!
I certainly did not intend to downplay Canada's achievements over the year and I'm a proud Canadian. That said, it always bothers me when Canadians need to compare themselves to Americans when pointing out the positive aspects of Canada. Being Canadian is more than just being a non-American. We should be able to proclaim our greatness without bashing Americans. Remember that roughly half of Americans are fairly progressive and my wife is one of those. I hate it when my fellow Canadians find it necessary to bitch about Americans with broad generalizations.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:30 PM
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2. Good Chance
Here, that we will see some unintended fallout. Like "Who could have imagined that scenario" type happening.

So far all is quiet. Waiting for Ottawa to move.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:35 AM
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3. they simply renewed an old agreement n/t
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