What a flipping useless report. (and article!)

[Hugin]

Click on:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6840933/

Scroll **way** down to where it says who issued the
report. It was Mitofsky and Edison.

The same folks who brought us the exit polls in the
first place!

Disinformation at it's finest.

The fox is securely in charge of the hen house people.

*sigh*

[FogerRox]

1. So how did Mitofsky get paid--follow the Money--same for the

Ukraine--did he get CIA funds? the guy is SOOOOO in bed with them Bushies

[euler]

2. He was paid by the people who paid for the exit poll.

MSM.

[New Earth]

3. who pays you?

LOL j.k

[euler]

5. DELETE

I told you who really pays me, then thought better of it.

[New Earth]

6. i saw it before you edited

are they hiring?

[Hugin]

4. Hey Foger...

I can do no wrong.

It says so right here in this report. *cough* I
wrote *cough*

[FogerRox]

23. >cough> yes U R right < Cough>

[Mistwell]

11. Mitofsky is a lifelong Democrat

Why are you attacking him?

[Hugin]

13. It's like this...

I don't care *what* party you belong to.

Self-regulation is not a good idea.

[TruthIsAll]

14. So is Zell Miller. n/t

.

[Hugin]

18. Thanks TIA...

*chuckle*

[Land Shark]

21. More important than party affiliation is protecting one's reputation

Mitofsky to protect his own pocket book and reputation has clear bias to whitewash the exit polls. I would expect any person in his position of any party to do similarly.

[Hugin]

7. Self Kick

'Cuz I still can barely believe my lieing eyes.

[libertypirate]

8. No No it says pretty clearly....

That more Kerry voters responded.... Why? because there were more Kerry voters. Take out the spin and the truth is what you are left with.

[johnaries]

9. As was discussed in an earlier thread, we need to DEMAND exit polls

aside from the media polls set up to specifically track for election fraud, like the polls in the Ukraine and in every other Democratic country (except ours!).

Even if we have to find a PAC and donate to sponsor it!

[qwghlmian]

10. Exit polls are done by private companies

who are paid by other private companies to conduct them. You can't demand anything from them - what you can do is buy their expertise by paying for an exit poll, then you can specify which methodology should be used and control the process.

It is possible to conduct exit polling that detects fraud, but it is much more expensive than the current US exit polls are and the companies that ordered the exit polls in 2004 were not willing to pony up the extra money. Find a few tens of millions of dollars to pay for such a poll and you can make sure it is done next time.

[nodictators]

17. Better watch out. They are going to "fix" the exit polls

From the MSNBC article:

Most significantly, "it appears that Democrats are just more likely to take the exit polls than Republicans," Gawiser said.

"Why does that happen? What can we do to reduce that?"
He added: "It’s an internal problem. It’s one that NBC feels very strongly that they have to look at to minimize."

[Hugin]

19. Careful how you use the "f-word"...

My poor dog just ran and hid. ;)

*Yip*

[anaxarchos]

12. This is not as bad as the spin makes it sound...

The spin is as you would expect. But the actual report contains some interesting stuff. The "exit polls don't prove fraud" angle is very narrowly focused at the lack of differnce between electronic voting and other precincts. That resolves nothing.

More importantly, NEP is not backing away from their methodology, they are not claiming statistical issues, and they are pointing to issues like clustering in a VERY focused way.

All that leaves is "non-response" as in "that's what must have happened".

This is worth looking at (the report, not the msnbc piece).

[KaliTracy]

15. Let me get this straight -- "Moral Values" was the overriding reason

people said that * won (evengelicals, and all that jazz), yet More Kerry people were polled... howzat? You can't have one without the other -- can you? Am I missing something? It was like Florida, and Pam Fessler on All Things Considered talking the day after the election about the "Dixicrats" without even talking to any of those supposed * voters after the fact....(a canvess needs to be done down there -- in more than One County).

to be fair, I haven't read the report yet -- will do so tonight. Maybe it will clear some things up for me. I'm sooooo confused *grin*

[nodictators]

16. Oops! Washington State gubernatorial exit poll shows...

Gregoire WON!

In the exit poll she won by one-quarter of one percent (0.25%). After the Dems paid for an honest full state recount the official count also showed she won, but it was very, very close.

So, Mitofsky called an extremely close election correctly with his exit poll.

Ditto Iowa. That was very close, yet Mitofsky called that a tie in the leaked, preliminary, 1 pm EST Election Day exit poll results.

[Bill Bored]

20. Turnout should be verified.

Most significantly, “it appears that Democrats are just more likely to take the exit polls than Republicans,” Gawiser said. “ Why does that happen? What can we do to reduce that?”

He added: “It’s an internal problem. It’s one that NBC feels very strongly that they have to look at to minimize. They seem to be looking at them.”

Whether this is true or not, it agrees with my own limited analysis which showed that by changing the Dem/Rep ratio from 38/35 to 37/37 in the final version of the national poll, the popular vote went from a 3% Kerry lead to a statistical tie.

I think the best way to debunk all this is to see what the actual turnout was among Dems and Repubs. If it was equal, Bush could have won. If the Dems actually had higher turnout, Bush probably lost the popular vote. And in fact, we do know that Dem turnout was suppressed by various methods (registration fraud and the stuff on the ground in Ohio and elsewhere).

Get Verified Voting into law anyway though, for next time!

[FogerRox]

22. it'd be interesting if Mitofsky used varing methods to weigh the ind.

state polls--Texas wouldnt need much finagaling--where maybe NJ Some-and Ohio some more--I cant see Mitofsky using the methodology in all 50 states--
Just dont see it happening like that.

[Bill Bored]

24. Well it was used in all 4 Regions. Strongest in the West though

where the Dem/Rep ratio was actually flipped!

There were some other tweaks but this was the biggest.