Excellent movie-- INVISIBLE BALLOTS...

[Helga Scow Stern]

I just saw the copy I ordered from http://www.realityzone.com/ballots.html

This is the film Kim Alexander is showing in Sacramento to MoveOn next weekend.


It is quite thorough and very convincing for educational purposes. I am relatively new to awareness of the BBV threat, so can't speak too well to the film's lacks or errors. Overall, I would say it is magnificent in its throughness and exposure from many points of view why evoting is just a bad, bad idea. One of the many points it makes is that there are all these millions to buy new equipment now, but what about in a few years when it all needs to be replaced? It also speaks to other logistic problems, like how heavy the machines are, and how difficult and impractical to distribute them on election day to garages, churches, etc.

My very own assistant registrar of voters is on there, showing the simple punchcard system we use, saying, if it's not broke, don't fix it.

The film showcases Kim Alexander, of California Voter Foundation, Bev Harris, academics David Dill, Rebecca Mercuri, Avi Rubin, Congressman Rush Holt, and surprisingly, given her reportage of 2004 fraud, Wired News journalist Kim Zetter.

Here is an interview with the producer of the film:
http://www.independentmediasource.com/evotingfraud.htm#Listen_Online


I highly recommmend this film to put everything into perspective, and for an overall view. It is very convincing if you ever need to educate others (or inspire yourself).

Perhaps they could have said more about the tabulators.

[KoKo]

1. Is this the film that...

starts off with Bev Harris and Andy Stephenson investigating the machines? It shows alot of Bev and is very convincing for people who know nothing about BBV.

I saw that one "on line" back in November (a DU'er linked it) and after viewing it, I sent it to friends who were very impressed. But then some DU'ers said it wasn't good because Bev had done it and at that time Bev and her site were having credibility problems. There was a flame war here about it, and so I never sent the link out to anyone again.

Do you know if this is the same film? We are working here in NC to get a bill through for Verified Paper Trail and I would love to have a reputable film that we could show our legislators and others.

I couldn't figure out from the site you linked if it was Bev's film or another one. :shrug:

[Helga Scow Stern]

2. No. Bev is only peripheral in this movie,

and there is no Andy.

This is an excellent, reputable film that would be excellent for such purposes.

[Amaryllis]

10. Ojai, how is it on tabulators? I suppose the film could be used to set up

a foundation and then you could have a discussion/presentation to cover the tabulator issue. How do you feel it compares to Votergate? My group is looking at getting some videos for presentations.

[tommcintyre]

7. The online film you referred to is Votergate, not Invisible Ballots

Votergate is an independent production and is NOT directly linked to BBV/Bev Harris (However, Bev is among several people working in the field featured in the films.

Links: (watch online)
Votergate II
http://www.votergate.tv/

Votergate I
http://www.votergate.org/

[Kelvin Mace]

8. No, not that one

it does address Bev and is important in that it shows a lot of what went on before Bev began rewriting the history.

I am donating copies of the film to the local libraries and am asking folks to sponsor copies of it for their local libraries or to show it local civic groups.

If you would like to help, you can order it here:

https://shop1.got.net/plan9/Admin/ProductMgrCategory.bok?product=storesense%3AProduct%3A%2F%2Flocal%2Fplan9%3FProductID%3D2816&nb=1

[garybeck]

21. Bev's work is separate from her personality issues

regardless of her personality conflicts, she has been an invaluable advocate for people who want to investigate election fraud and promote reform.

[Helga Scow Stern]

3. Kick.

[Peace Patriot]

4. Thanks for the tip! n/t

[Peace Patriot]

5. I was thinking...

...I wish I had $100,000 to send it out to all state and federal legislators, public TV stations, lapdog news media and others, to RAISE A RUCKUS.

Then I was thinking: If I could send it ONE PLACE (which I might be able to do if I DON'T contribute to Kevin Shelley's Defense Fund), WHO WOULD IT BE?

You know what my answer was?: Jon Stewart!

The most influential man in the United States of America.

Then I was thinking: I wish there were an accompanying movie--a sort of POW!-POW! impact--that put Dr. Steven Freeman's and TruthIsAll's information into visual form.

1. Movie #1: What they stole.
2. Movie #2: (the current one) How they stole it.

John Cleese (Monty Python) recently sent out a communication (I got an email from someone) rescinding the Declaration of Independence on behalf of Queen Elizabeth and putting us back under the protection of the Crown--primarily for being unable to elect a competent president.

I laughed out loud! But Cleese's text isn't all that great for our purposes (--he gets into things like revising American dictionaries to put "u" back into words like "labour"--funny, but not pertinent). He should have tried a re-write of the Dec of Independence ...

"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for a Monarch to dissolve the Independence that in former times separated the Crown from its Colonies, and to assume the Ancient Powers of Protection of the Common People for which all Monarchies were at one time created, and to prevent Lawless Barons from committing Tyranny over the People, and usurping the Peoples' Lawful Power, and violating the laws of nature and of nature's God on which the Peoples' Laws are founded, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that said Monarch should declare the causes which impel Her to Overturn and Abolish that Corrupted Independence, and to Establish Law, Order, a Civilized Foreign Policy and Free Medical Care in said Former Colonies."

Har, har, har!

(Reading the Declaration of Independence is sobering. The Iraqi people have quite a case against us--laid out in great detail by the Pens of our very own Founding Fathers.)

(But I digress...

[Helga Scow Stern]

6. This movie makes it very obvious what a scam evoting is...

it shows the lobbying for HAVA by major voting equipment companies...

There is a clarity and integrity in all of the interviewees, in spite of their more recent positions, i.e. Kim Zetter and Rush Holt, or even Bev Harris.

Sending it to Jon Stewart could be an excellent idea.

However, I read recently his studio is in the broadcast building owned by King of the World, Rev. Moon, so that may be why he keeps very silent on voting issues since 2004. He can joke about some things, but it seems that other topics are off limits.

[tommcintyre]

12. Jon Stewarts view on evoting

http://avirubin.com/vote/dailyshow.mov

By coincidence, I just ran across this. Very well done.

[Amaryllis]

13. I can't get this to play. Any suggestions?

[tommcintyre]

15. Assuming you have Quicktime movie player...

it seems to be much slower loading since I posted it here (many people viewing it?); but it did finally start playing.

Let me know if you still can't watch it. I'll try to download it, and put it up on my web site for you.

[Amaryllis]

16. I have to link from explorer; for some reason, can't link from Mozilla on

video clips. Thanks.

[tommcintyre]

9. Invisible Ballots is the one I recommend

It comes in two versions on the same DVD - 50 and 90 minutes. Watch the 90 minute one. It is well worth the time. It goes into much greater detail than any other movie on the subject I have seen so far. I recommended this movie to the Hawaii Dem party. So far they have shown it twice.

Other good movies on this subject (besides the two Votergate docs listed above) are "Everywhere But Florida" and "Unprecedented - The 2000 Presidential Election" - 2004 Campaign Edition. You can watch the first version of Unprecedented free online here:
http://www.independentmediasource.com/video2/unprecedented.htm

[Amaryllis]

11. Unprecedented was a real wake up call for me. I had no idea before

I watched it early last summer how far in advance the whole election theft was planned.

[bailey77]

19. Invisible Ballots is a good film, but contains some inaccuracies

They are not substantive, but Invisible Ballots sometimes misses the boat on the nuances.

That's understandable because it was made back in 2003, though not distributed until early 2004, I believe. More recent films are getting a better grasp on the full problem, which is not just touch-screens, but also tabulators and failure to follow election procedures.

I think the definitive film has not yet been made to put everything in perspective and balance, but it will be. It is also possible that the full length version of Votergate that will come out later this year may turn out to be very good. I think that one has much more on Sequoia and the systemic problems, and it does a lot of on-site filming in real situations.

Erin

[KoKo]

23. Thanks ALL for the info on this and the various links. It's a big help

It's a big help. :-)'s

[helderheid]

14. they played this all weekend on Free Speech TV

www.freespeech.org

[marions ghost]

17. kick

[bailey77]

18. There are three movies so far that I am aware of

This one, and another new one called "Electile Dysfunction" -- I haven't seen it yet but I have heard it's excellent. And the 30-minute portion of Votergate (http://www.votergate.tv). That film is going to be a full length feature, put out later this year.

Although there are those here who are dedicated to turf wars, there are no voting integrity organizations that I know of who should be shunned, and that includes Black Box Voting, a group that works on-site to help citizens with local investigations, in many states across the USA.

Voting integrity is a major issue and all hands are needed.

[garybeck]

20. lots more video here

http://solarbus.org/election/links.shtml#video

I need to add electile disfunction but I didn't think it was released yet?

[garybeck]

22. What's up with MoveOn?

Can you give more details of how this is "being shown" to MoveOn? Who is it being shown to? the organizers? I would be so happy to see election fraud and reform being moved to the front burner for Moveon.

but I guess investigating the last election doesn't fit very well with their name.

still, they have the most powerful email distribution network and it needs to be used to raise awareness about the election.

[msongs]

24. does not MoveOn have its own monthly "meetups"? if so.....

that is where they will show the flick. I went to a moveOn meetup which featured michael moore when his movie first came out.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm